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RW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) III
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Err, no. That was Laine as well
(The first two goals, both crucial game-tying ones, were all Laine. Even if Pulju and Aho finished the other play.)
Once again Laine gets overrated to no end.
1. Rantanen was easily the most dangerous and effective individual player in the final. He created so many chances he could have ended up with 4 or 5 points if his linemates (especially Kalapudas) knew how to finish on chances, and was 6 seconds away from scoring the GWG in a gold medal game.
2. The second goal was definitely not "all Laine." He contributed sure, but hard to pin most of the credit (let alone "all" of it) on a player that didn't even touch the puck in the offensive zone in the preceding turn of events.
You are partly right but a good line "share" their skills with eachothers. Without pulju, laine wouldn't have played that good and without laine there wouldn't be that much scoring etc etc. Best thing about puljujärvi is that he's so energetic and he shares his positive appearance with eachothers. Puljujärvi and Laine both had huge impact on the team, it's really hard to compare who had the bigger impact on team.
BB88
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I understand that some prefer Laine over Pulju, I probably prefer Pulju by a bit but there's no reason to praise his game while beating Pulju down when he doesn't deserve that.
Laine wasn' the star on that WJC line, those goals weren't all Laine, they all had a job, different job and played those so damm well and made the line work.
Laine wasn' the star on that WJC line, those goals weren't all Laine, they all had a job, different job and played those so damm well and made the line work.
Laine was most scouted and coveted one. Other teams used many hours to study his game and undress his weapons which gave alot of room for Pulju and Aho. To me its outstanding what Laine did.
Jussi
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When it comes to comparing Laine and Puljujärvi, I'd say Laine is more likely to score more goals, but Puljujärvi is more likely to score more points. Or, Laine is more likely to score a game winning goal where as Puljujärvi is more likely to set it up.
BB88
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Is this just you guessing?
And Puljus game isn't all about scoring, it's what he does without the puck, his work ethic without the puck and what he can do for his linemates with his skating.
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Loffer
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Suddenly they are "miracles" now that real PLAY-OFFs have started! ?
No. Just no excuses. Keep the level, Patrick! Or forget the NHL stardom.
Finnish Phrase: "don't expect miracles from him/her" usually means that don't except him/her to success at some specific things right away.
Something like that.
Henkka
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Disagree.
Scoring attempt plays on that WJC final:
Laine 9 (5 scoring attempts + 4 created plays for an attempt)
Rantanen 8 (4 attempts + 4 created)
Hintz 8 (6 attempts + 2 created)
Kalapudas 7 (3 attempts + 4 created)
Kapanen 5 (4 attempts + 1 created)
Aho 5 (1 attempt + 4 created)
Puljujärvi 4 (1 attempt + 3 created)
Saarela 3 (0 attempts, 3 created)
Those are what I found from my note book. Laine was superior player versus his linemates creating chances and Rantanen line (Kalapudas - Hintz - Rantanen) was overall best line because of their great line chemistries.
Rantanen being easily better?
Just no.
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Good game today. Didn't score but few times Järvinen found him very well.
Saw Ville Siren today on the game, so Columbus is at least watching Laine.
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Looks like he wrote attempted/created..... So only 25 chances.... Good work being an ass though
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/mmkiekko/art-2000001059470.html
Czech compiled 5 minutes long video just from Patrik Laine and his abilities. When you watch other games Laine was the guy who they wanted off the puck and keep in the perimeter which gave room to Pulju and Aho.
With puck Puljujärvi isn't at Laine's level that is my opinion. Laine is world class/elite talent i think Pulju is fringe elite/very good talent.
BB88
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That's 1 team, mentions scouting Aho line multiple times and gives example of them having a 5min video of Laine.
And there are things where Pulju is elite and Laine isn't, Puljus impact to game without the puck is bigger than Laines and was at the WJC, same goes to Aho.
Without their work without the puck they wouldn't have had the puck so much and have so many chances to score and drive the play.
What is your criteria for attempts created? There is simply no way Kalapudas created as many legit scoring chances as Rantanen.
Are the stats for attempts created and attempts executed mutually exclusive? Say there is a breakaway, would the player get credited a point in each category or only either one? And why make the distinction anyway? It leads to inaccurate / misleading results in some cases. Take the Aho goal against Canada as an example: Laine makes a 150 feet pass to Pulju going at full speed at the offensive blueline, Pulju skates past the D, misses on his chance but Aho scores on the rebound. According to your model points would be credited as follows: 1 for Laine for an attempt created; 2 for Pulju for an attempt created and executed; 1 for Aho for an attempt executed. Does this represent the actual impact each player generated on the outcome? I don't think so.
Since you have Laine with as many points as Pulju and Aho combined while they all played together as a unit pretty much non-stop throughout the tournament, something doesn't add up. Unless you think Laine created and executed chances on his own or created/executed chances together with players other than Aho or Pulju, your data don't make much sense. That line was known for having tremendous chemistry between its members and executing plays in unison, so I'd like to know how you've come up with such a huge distinction between Laine and the other two (especially considering that you have the points between Rantanen, Hintz and Kalapudas dispensed evenly while there isn't much disagreement that the line lived and died with Rantanen).
Beukeboom
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And I say that he in no way reminds me of Lemieux. He is a sniping winger, in those videos he did sniper goals. How on earth is that reminicent of a tall big deking Lemieux playing center and being the playmaker?
Holy what a joke. He's not even on the same tier as Barkov let alone McDavid.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Who has that combination of size, power, hands, shot, passing and defense? If you were to rate players out of ten in the main categories of evaluation before adding up the total and we don't add skating, does Laine have the #1 spot? He might. If not first, I think he would be among the best.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Only things?
Those "only things" are why Alex Ovechkin is one of the best players in the history of the sport. Without them, he probably wouldn't have been much more than a role player, and plenty of people consider him to be a better player than McDavid Sr, Sidney Crosby.
Laine also is a lot more well-rounded than Ovechkin. Without the shot, there's a good chance Laine would still be a first round pick, so I don't think the fact that he's worse than McDavid in a few categories means much.
No its not, Ovechkin has also had elite burst and high end speed, which are skills Laine doesn't, that is a big difference. McDavid and Crosby's games are fairly different, especially how they implement their skills, Crosby plays a much more grinding, cycle oriented game, that uses elite lower body strength to get towards the net and win puck battles, McDavid's game is built around elite skating, puck control, and using those traits to create open passing Laine's. There major commonality is elite vision, but they implement this skill in different ways. McDavid is much closer to some Bure/Kane hybred that plays center than Crosby.Only things?
Those "only things" are why Alex Ovechkin is one of the best players in the history of the sport. Without them, he probably wouldn't have been much more than a role player, and plenty of people consider him to be a better player than McDavid Sr, Sidney Crosby.
Laine also is a lot more well-rounded than Ovechkin. Without the shot, there's a good chance Laine would still be a first round pick, so I don't think the fact that he's worse than McDavid in a few categories means much.
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