RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 5

[SaSaShi]

MM: It's my Calder trophy dammit...
MC: you're too slow! I have more ES pts
MM: oh I oughtaaa....

 

[Hinterland]

Wow. Certain posters have really turned on Michkov and lowered their expectations like crazy. When I wrote posts like this one in the previous thread...

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...I was pretty much the most rational with many posters praising him as generational expecting Michkov to do wonders in his rookie season. Now some of the same posters can be spotted running victory laps based on one two point (1 es point) after two consecutive healthy scratches. I'm shocked.

Though Michkov didn't meet mine either I think it's always better to have realistic expectations and be happy if they're exceeded.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Wow. Certain posters have really turned on Michkov and lowered their expectations like crazy. When I wrote posts like this one in the previous thread...

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...I was pretty much the most rational with many posters praising him as generational expecting Michkov to do wonders in his rookie season. Now some of the same posters can be spotted running victory laps based on one two point (1 es point) after two consecutive healthy scratches. I'm shocked.

Though Michkov didn't meet mine either I think it's always better to have realistic expectations and be happy if they're exceeded.

Being scratched by Torts isn't exactly an indictment of Michkov. If Bedard played for Philly he would almost definitely have been scratched at least a few times in the last year.

I also wouldn't characterize your soft comparison of Michkov as a potential "Dubois 2.0" as rational.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Torts isn't such a bad guy after all.

No, he absolutely is.

He scratched his best player for two games.

One game, okay whatever he's a rookie. Try to teach him a defensive lesson or something. Hope he gets it.

A second game is too far, and something that I can't respect.

The fact that he put him with shitty linemates this game shows he didn't realize his mistake either.

 

[NatusVincere]

Wow. Certain posters have really turned on Michkov and lowered their expectations like crazy. When I wrote posts like this one in the previous thread...

Post in thread 'RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4' RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4


...I was pretty much the most rational with many posters praising him as generational expecting Michkov to do wonders in his rookie season. Now some of the same posters can be spotted running victory laps based on one two point (1 es point) after two consecutive healthy scratches. I'm shocked.

Though Michkov didn't meet mine either I think it's always better to have realistic expectations and be happy if they're exceeded.

Lol... nothing what was said in the post you quoted was/is wrong...

He is as much of a superstar entering the league as Bedard and has right now 1 point less (in two games less) and two more goals than Bedard.... what is Reinbacher doing, Mr. Rational?

I know there's a lot of lunatics in this thread - and some folks think I'm one of them, and that's fine - to recap: I think he has good hockey sense, but it isn't generational. I don't think he's some slow, small, no talent. I think he has an unreal shot and hands. He's super technically skilled. I take exception to the claims of his playmaking being elite. I like things directed to the net (fake shot passes) and things where he's circling the net and passing to the slot...the rest of his passing game doesn't really move the needle for me that much. So, the comparisons to Crosby (stylistically) or even Giroux don't make sense to me.

I know the game here (on the Prospects board in general, not just about Michkov)...if you single out one play, you get told "to watch a game". If you breakdown a game, you get told "not that game! that was his worst game!" and if you breakdown several games, you get told "those were his worst shifts, and you're a jerk!"

So, with all the internet disclaimers out of the way...

0.0% chance that Crosby or Giroux shoot this puck...this has to be a pass. Generational hockey sense, elite playmaking, all that...if that's really the case, this is a pass every single time.

This sequence, with no speed, turned into almost a jam play at the near side post. I can post a video if necessary.

More internet disclaimers: I don't think he's bad. I don't think he needs to be in the KHL to "learn more", I don't think he should be in the minors, or scratched...or anything but being a top six NHL forward. None of that. I just don't think I see the style and super strengths vs. the "very goods" the same as some folks...

I think the fact getting outscored by Jamie Benn in your prime twice weighs a lot more than some random pass beeing 19 years old... 0.0% chance that such a player could be generational.

 

[Hinterland]

No, he absolutely is.

He scratched his best player for two games.

One game, okay whatever he's a rookie. Try to teach him a defensive lesson or something. Hope he gets it.

A second game is too far, and something that I can't respect.

The fact that he put him with shitty linemates this game shows he didn't realize his mistake either.

They won without him. Why would he change his lineup after a win? Even the Florida game was actually decent but Torts probably wanted to have Poehling back in so he had to change his lineup anyway.

Also, Poehling is a former 1st round pick and Richard has been scoring ppg for quite a while in the AHL while being productive in the NHL as well, including recent games for the Flyers.

These aren't plugs and actually decent linemates.

 

[Albatros]

Richard is the guy that replaced Michkov to start with, and played very well over the last few games. It's not only about Michkov, Richard earned his place in the lineup.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

They won without him. Why would he change his lineup after a win? Even the Florida game was actually decent but Torts probably wanted to have Poehling back in so he had to change his lineup anyway.

Also, Poehling is a former 1st round pick and Richard has been scoring ppg for quite a while in the AHL while being productive in the NHL as well, including recent games for the Flyers.

These aren't plugs and actually decent linemates.

Haha, “decent” linemates, w hat an absolute joke post, Richard IS an AHL plug and Poehling can be drafted wherever he was he’s a 4C on a good team. Agenda or delusional?

 

[Fjordy]

Richard is the guy that replaced Michkov to start with, and played very well over the last few games. It's not only about Michkov, Richard earned his place in the lineup.

Why did he have to replace Michkov when he is one of the best players? Are there no other candidates for the bench in Philly? Michkov is a stud and shouldn't just sit for two games.

 

[Hinterland]

Why did he have to replace Michkov when he is one of the best players? Are there no other candidates for the bench in Philly? Michkov is a stud and shouldn't just sit for two games.

Michkov got scratched because his ES play didn't meet Tortorella's standards. That's why Tortorella wanted Michkov to watch intead of playing games.

 

[Albatros]

There are always candidates when you lose, Bobby Brink started the season with a four-game point streak but had to sit three after he had been pointless in two. Michkov played a lot in those games and now with Michkov out Brink got a better look in turn. Michkov returns and Frost is out. The way to avoid being in the mix is to play the right way and deliver.

 

[Caser]

 

[1865]

I'm not having it that sitting him produced that result. You can sit McDavid for two games and he'd come back with a three point game, it doesn't mean it's because he was sat.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Michkov got scratched because his ES play didn't meet Tortorella's standards. That's why Tortorella wanted Michkov to watch intead of playing games.

Do Bedard and Celebrini evaluations next comical.

 

[BMann]

Pathetic and hysterical as usual you are

Btw whats your prediction for Michkov, this season, career? Tell me

That's because you are the hockey Nostradamus. Your predictions are always spot on......5% of the time.

The same sort of antipathy to Michkov is being exhibited as there was to Ovechkin. Down to really petty things like his celebrations.

He's an elite talent barely starting out in his career yet we have supposedly intelligent posters declaring he'll never amount to anything. He'll be a little better than average. This reasoning is not steeped in any factual evidence but just personal antipathy for any reason.

Perhaps someone like out erstwhile Nostradamus who we know is anti Russian & others well because he may eclipse their own favourites. I still remember when people were saying Malkin was average & when anyone who had watched him at Magnitogorsk could tell you he reminded them of Mario L.

With better drafting & office staff I'm sure he'll thrive at the Flyers & become the face of the team & who knows they get a coach that works better with players at maximizing their potential.

All Michkov needs to do is to keep playing & build on his experience, work on his straight line speed & strength & ask Uncle Datsyuk for advice now & then.

When you say cut from SKA and try to pass it off as a talent issue, you lose all credibility. The world knows it's a Rotenberg issue, look at what he has done with Demidov. But you hammer this point constantly as if it was a talent issue. It's disingenous.

It has nothing to do with hockey skills, or physical tools. It's 100 percent Rotenberg. This is why people can't engage with you seriously, because your claims reek of a hidden agenda.

What 19 year old always make the right play?? That comes with experience.

Garl & credibility do not go in the same sentence when it comes to Russian players. Any long term posters on here know that. He was making similar comments about Kaprizov back in the day.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

That's because you are the hockey Nostradamus. Your predictions are always spot on......5% of the time.

The same sort of antipathy to Michkov is being exhibited as there was to Ovechkin. Down to really petty things like his celebrations.

He's an elite talent barely starting out in his career yet we have supposedly intelligent posters declaring he'll never amount to anything. He'll be a little better than average. This reasoning is not steeped in any factual evidence but just personal antipathy for any reason.

Perhaps someone like out erstwhile Nostradamus who we know is anti Russian & others well because he may eclipse their own favourites. I still remember when people were saying Malkin was average & when anyone who had watched him at Magnitogorsk could tell you he reminded them of Mario L.

With better drafting & office staff I'm sure he'll thrive at the Flyers & become the face of the team & who knows they get a coach that works better with players at maximizing their potential.

All Michkov needs to do is to keep playing & build on his experience, work on his straight line speed & strength & ask Uncle Datsyuk for advice now & then.

It’s the exact same fan base that’s trashing him, it’s pure jealousy and pathetic behavior, wonder why I can’t see who you’re responding to! . Thank you for being a logical poster, the normal hockey fans here appreciate it.

 

[Hinterland]

I'm not having it that sitting him produced that result. You can sit McDavid for two games and he'd come back with a three point game, it doesn't mean it's because he was sat.

Michkov didn't sit because Torts was unhappy with his scoring output. Michkov got scratched because he didn't meet Tortorella's expectations in other areas of the game. Which was why he got scratched in the KHL previously btw.

I don't think anyone ever doubted Michkov's ability to score in the NHL. Certainly Torts doesn't. That was never what the healthy scratches were about. Torts may be a hard ass but he's an experienced coach and certainly not dumb. However, because he's a hard ass, he has minimum standards you have to meet that aren't negociable. He wants players to buy into his system and into his philosophy. If you don't then he doesn't care if you score 20 or 100 points...you're just not gonna play. As stated by others in this thread...the easiest way to stick in Tortorella's lineup is to play the right way in all areas of the game.

 

[FlyguyOX]

No, he absolutely is.

He scratched his best player for two games.

One game, okay whatever he's a rookie. Try to teach him a defensive lesson or something. Hope he gets it.

A second game is too far, and something that I can't respect.

The fact that he put him with shitty linemates this game shows he didn't realize his mistake either.

Michkov had 2pts. It worked out great. He had tired legs the previous games and had jump in this one. We're not just trying to win games, we're trying to develop young talent, too.

No problem at all with it and in fact I like it.

They won without him. Why would he change his lineup after a win? Even the Florida game was actually decent but Torts probably wanted to have Poehling back in so he had to change his lineup anyway.

Also, Poehling is a former 1st round pick and Richard has been scoring ppg for quite a while in the AHL while being productive in the NHL as well, including recent games for the Flyers.

These aren't plugs and actually decent linemates.

The team is seriously lacking for speed. Poehling and Richard are the fastest players on the team so he wanted to get speed in the lineup.

 

[Garl]

That's because you are the hockey Nostradamus. Your predictions are always spot on......5% of the time.

The same sort of antipathy to Michkov is being exhibited as there was to Ovechkin. Down to really petty things like his celebrations.

He's an elite talent barely starting out in his career yet we have supposedly intelligent posters declaring he'll never amount to anything. He'll be a little better than average. This reasoning is not steeped in any factual evidence but just personal antipathy for any reason.

Perhaps someone like out erstwhile Nostradamus who we know is anti Russian & others well because he may eclipse their own favourites. I still remember when people were saying Malkin was average & when anyone who had watched him at Magnitogorsk could tell you he reminded them of Mario L.

With better drafting & office staff I'm sure he'll thrive at the Flyers & become the face of the team & who knows they get a coach that works better with players at maximizing their potential.

I said he is one of the most talented players of his age group and can become a PPG+ player

As for the Nostradamus, my track record is much better than that of russian homers here.

 

[Rebels57]

Gets back into the lineup after the silly (but expected) Torts scratchings, and immediately notches a Primary assist on the Powerplay, an ES Breakaway goal, and a sweet Shootout goal.

Hoping to see an uptick in SOG at ES as the season progresses.

Speaking of Torts scratching, last nights victim was Morgan Frost, the #2 center on the team.

 

[ponder719]

Gets back into the lineup after the silly (but expected) Torts scratchings, and immediately notches a Primary assist on the Powerplay, an ES Breakaway goal, and a sweet Shootout goal.

Speaking of Torts scratching, last nights victims were Morgan Frost, the #2 center on the team.

Drysdale isn't really a scratch victim, he's legit injured and out for a week. Frost, however, that's still malpractice on Torts' part. At least he sat Dlo.

 

[Rebels57]

Drysdale isn't really a scratch victim, he's legit injured and out for a week. Frost, however, that's still malpractice on Torts' part. At least he sat Dlo.

Yeah I saw that after and edited.

 

[Garl]

Garl & credibility do not go in the same sentence when it comes to Russian players. Any long term posters on here know that. He was making similar comments about Kaprizov back in the day.

Russian prospects tend to be over hyped, so some counter balance is needed.

But as far as Kaprizov, what did I say about him? He played for my favourite team in Russia, dont remember bashing him at all.

I bashed Grigorenko, Kabanov, Kitsyn, Kravtsov, Petrov, Filatov, Shipachyov, Bereglazov, Ozhiganov, Plotnikov, Guryanov etc.

The only good guy I thought would be bad was Semin and to some degree Malkin. But that was long time ago.

 

[WarriorofTime]

They won without him. Why would he change his lineup after a win? Even the Florida game was actually decent but Torts probably wanted to have Poehling back in so he had to change his lineup anyway.

Also, Poehling is a former 1st round pick and Richard has been scoring ppg for quite a while in the AHL while being productive in the NHL as well, including recent games for the Flyers.

These aren't plugs and actually decent linemates.

If a dude with 488 career AHL games before his 28th birthday isn't a plug then I guess nobody is.

 

[frontsfan67]

The guys a rookie and has not been struggling lol. People need to get a job and a little less time on here if you’re going to be cutting up a rookie not even a quarter of the way into the season like holy crap you’d think the guy is Sean Avery the way people (habs fans) hate him.

Hate your own team for not picking him. It’s not a lindros case where he forced himself out of quebec. Montreal and any team before Philly could’ve picked the guy and they didn’t. Think it’s just extra salt to the wound with how reinbacher has been since drafted. Again get mad at your own team for horrible drafting.

Hab fans are quite literally the biggest babies in the NHL- even worse than leaf fans. And I’m not even a flyers fan but I think it’s a joke how Hab fans bash any other prospect (wright, sennecke, Michkov to name a few) and then praise demidov and overrate the hell out of guys like Josh Roy just because he’s from Quebec.