RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 5

[gump116]

The mod that locked the thread said in the post that something in the world championships need to happen to change the consensus on 1st OA for the thread to open.

As long as Hughes is the consensus 1OA, you shouldn't publicly talk about Kakko on the Devils' board. You can however use private messages for those purposes though.

Feel like another mod needs to step in and reopen the thread. Hughes is definitely the consensus #1, but he’s definitely not 100% to go first. Purposes of these boards is to debate these issues and it’s crazy that that thread is locked

 

[Hostile Offer]

Kakko is bazillion times the skater Rantanen is.

 

[ijuka]

The mod that locked the thread said in the post that something in the world championships need to happen to change the consensus on 1st OA for the thread to open.

As long as Hughes is the consensus 1OA, you shouldn't publicly talk about Kakko on the Devils' board. You can however use private messages for those purposes though.

It's pretty shortsighted to only want to discuss "the consensus 1OA" and label other threads as "trying to start an argument instead of discussion".

Since non-regulars keep showing up.

This is a Hughes thread. Any attempts to derail said thread will result in infractions and thread bans.

This is not the main board.

But see, their board has this stuff, and then this guy locked the Kakko thread so Kakko can't even be discussed there. Like you'd imagine if people get banned for discussing Kakko in the Hughes thread, they'd have a Kakko thread in place.

 

[jibbz]

Well at least Hughes is keeping up with Kakko in terms of assists

 

[behemolari]

Feel like another mod needs to step in and reopen the thread. Hughes is definitely the consensus #1, but he’s definitely not 100% to go first. Purposes of these boards is to debate these issues and it’s crazy that that thread is locked

That only tells how insecure and problematic NJD fans are, let them keep their heads and ingorance. Kakko is way too good for franchise like that. Sure NYR has some issues too but come on Devils that is ridiculous!

Btw had to double check am I allowed to write this here, hope so

 

[Blender]

The mod that locked the thread said in the post that something in the world championships need to happen to change the consensus on 1st OA for the thread to open.

As long as Hughes is the consensus 1OA, you shouldn't publicly talk about Kakko on the Devils' board. You can however use private messages for those purposes though.

He has literally been discussed the entire time in the draft thread and now also in the World Championship thread. It's laughable to claim no Kakko discussion is allowed on the Devils board when there has been tons of it.

That only tells how insecure and problematic NJD fans are, let them keep their heads and ingorance. Kakko is way too good for franchise like that. Sure NYR has some issues too but come on Devils that is ridiculous!

It would be ridiculous if it were true.

 

[135ace]

He has literally been discussed the entire time in the draft thread and now also in the World Championship thread. It's laughable to claim no Kakko discussion is allowed on the Devils board when there has been tons of it.

Why would we bother talking about someone who is clearly a tier below Hughes? I mean if we're talking about the second tier prospects I'd be more interested in Byram. I'd consider taking him over Kakko before I ever consider taking Kakko over Hughes.

 

[Blender]

Why would we bother talking about someone who is clearly a tier below Hughes? I mean if we're talking about the second tier prospects I'd be more interested in Byram. I'd consider taking him over Kakko before I ever consider taking Kakko over Hughes.

Don't be absurd.

 

[fr9dd9]

Im almost afraid Kakko will be picked #1 and the Fans that clearly want hughes will be mad and have so high expectations on Kakko that it would hurt him as a player. Could be a really bad senario, I dont get why the NJD fans are so down on hughes and not the BPA. ITS simple, who cares if he is american? I just wish I could tell all the njd fans that they should relax and be happy with eighter player njd wants to pick.

 

[135ace]

Im almost afraid Kakko will be picked #1 and the Fans that clearly want hughes will be mad and have so high expectations on Kakko that it would hurt him as a player. Could be a really bad senario, I dont get why the NJD fans are so down on hughes and not the BPA. ITS simple, who cares if he is american? I just wish I could tell all the njd fans that they should relax and be happy with eighter player njd wants to pick.

Taking Kakko 1OA when Hughes is available would be a Yakupov level 1OA fail. Nobody is down on Kakko, he's just nowhere near as good as Hughes. And that's a fact.

 

[Pi]

I think Kakko and Huges are lot closer than Matthews/Laine but I'd still take Hughes. Kakko's skating is ridiculous too. He's really good.

IIRC, Laine had a better WHC than Matthews but that doesn't really matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. You have to project them ~5 years from now when you make your pick.

I think they are both 1st overall talents and what is going to make this really fun is that they are going to rival teams in the same division. This will actually be a rivalry for a long time as opposed to Matthews/Laine.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

He has literally been discussed the entire time in the draft thread and now also in the World Championship thread. It's laughable to claim no Kakko discussion is allowed on the Devils board when there has been tons of it.


It would be ridiculous if it were true.

Can't blame Mods on that decision too hard.

Its more about general remark. HFB is discussion board by its definition and purpose. NJ is picking first. There are off-site and off-thread debates about 1st and 2nd pick and their order. There is ongoing (commonly shared with 1st and 2nd picks) tournament. There are myriads of good arguments for both of them. NJ topics seems to me THE MOST natural place for these discussions, but somehow, categorically its not ok.

I'll be happy when Rangers announce Kaapo as their first pick, so Its nothing I take too personally, question is just about that does NJ boards fulfill their purpose - offer the platform for legitimate discussion.

If its not legitimate there, it cannot be anywhere else either following the logic, as NJ picks first. And that, exactly that is what is the worst thing in locking that particular thread. Its like HFB is deciding what NJ fans can speak about their first pick, pick not happened yet.

There is word for that kind behavior: Censorship

 

[Husqvarna]

Come monday bloody monday. And Finland vs USA.

Midgets against giants - or rather the other way around.

Giant Kaapo Kakko's gonna get ya USA. And that little chap Jack Hughes too.

 

[FinnishSniper]

These kind of assumptions are really quite bad. And hopefully at least the players are not doing them at all. Every game is a different game, and every opponent has the chance to surprise you somehow.

Laine had for example 2+1 in both of his first two WHC games and had 4+2=6 points already after the first two games. Sure the opponents (Germany and Belarus) were on paper clearly weaker than for Kakko now, but after those games there were still opponents like France, Hungary and Denmark, and I think Laine got after all ”only” three points against all of them altogether. Many were exactly then expecting him to get a huge amount of points against Hungary, but he was left to just one assist against them, and Finland had really quite clear troubles with scoring against Hungary in general.

So anyway Laine was after the first two games having even a better PPG than Kakko now, and just one goal less (and none of them were empty netters). And after all his scoring pace went clearly down from there in the end, although it still was better than anyone from Europe had ever done before.

The games are still decided only on the ice, and there most probably comes still difficult and not so productive games for Kakko too. It might be even against some so called weaker opponent.

You’re absolutely right, but what I meant was that the coaches can rest guys like Kakko more with the two day rest period which is a huge advantage for the Finns. Denmark and Germany are far from easy opponents, France and team GB though are (usually).

 

[Uncle Dru]

Why would we bother talking about someone who is clearly a tier below Hughes? I mean if we're talking about the second tier prospects I'd be more interested in Byram. I'd consider taking him over Kakko before I ever consider taking Kakko over Hughes.

Pffft, yea nice try ace. I'd become a Hawks fan if the Rangers were dumb enough to consider Byram at 2 lmao.

Keep posting stuff like this though, makes it look like you really know what you're talking about

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Taking Kakko 1OA when Hughes is available would be a Yakupov level 1OA fail. Nobody is down on Kakko, he's just nowhere near as good as Hughes. And that's a fact.

Nope, you wish it was a fact since you're a Devs fan lol

Hughes is no McDavid/Crosby, and Kakko is right there with Hughes for that #1 spot. Guarantee your GM is having thoughts after watching Kakko these past few games lol (although, they still probably will go with Hughes, ownership won't let Shero pass on him even if he wanted to).

Also, you'd be fired as a GM if you'd even consider taking Byram over Hughes/Kakko. Good thing you aren't.

 

[Emperoreddy]

It's pretty shortsighted to only want to discuss "the consensus 1OA" and label other threads as "trying to start an argument instead of discussion".

But see, their board has this stuff, and then this guy locked the Kakko thread so Kakko can't even be discussed there. Like you'd imagine if people get banned for discussing Kakko in the Hughes thread, they'd have a Kakko thread in place.

How the Devils team board chooses to conduct its business on how it will discuss its future prospects is exactly that our business.

It is of zero-Concern to non-devils fans

As of right now Jack Hughes is the consensus #1 and is most likely going it be a Devil, so folks coming in for the sole purpose of disparaging him will not be looked st kindly.

So if your plan is to come into our board to be argumentative, disruptive, and troll. It will simply not be tolerated.

If you want to have a friendly open discussion in our World Championship thread, you are most welcome. If you are incapable of doing this without bashing players on the American team, then i kindly ask you to refrain from posting on our board.

 

[Husqvarna]

Don't be absurd.

Congratz on choosin' Jack Hughes ... you Devils!

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Come monday bloody monday. And Finland vs USA.

Midgets against giants - or rather the other way around.

Giant Kaapo Kakko's gonna get ya USA. And that little chap Jack Hughes too.

 

[NyQuil]

It’s always impressive when junior aged players do so well at the World Championships.

I’m reminded of Anze Kopitar.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

How the Devils team board chooses to conduct its business on how it will discuss its future prospects is exactly that our business.

It is of zero-Concern to non-devils fans

As of right now Jack Hughes is the consensus #1 and is most likely going it be a Devil, so folks coming in for the sole purpose of disparaging him will not be looked st kindly.

So if your plan is to come into our board to be argumentative, disruptive, and troll. It will simply not be tolerated.

If you want to have a friendly open discussion in our World Championship thread, you are most welcome. If you are incapable of doing this without bashing players on the American team, then i kindly ask you to refrain from posting on our board.

While cannot do other than agree with mod policy according the tone and purpose of outcomings, I still want ask few conditional questions?

How many new New Jersey fans the team could get in the scenario where Kaapo Kakko is picked first by the team?
Does chosen intra-team-thread policy do justice to Hughes as the future first pick, if it doesn't even allow any other options - categorically?
How many potentially interested people and potential fans are distanced from the boards, and thus in this context, from active fandom only because they are both New Jersey and Kaapo Kakko fans?
Does NJ Devils staff have direct influence to NJD team threads moderation policy?

As stated, I won't be sad guy when Rangers pick Kaapo. But I can imagine there are some people who are NJ fans, and who are sad now and will be sad thereafter.

Its just ( r should be) matter of minor re-assignation of moderation resources. Personally I'm guilty to know something about such resources, apologies.

 

[Emperoreddy]

While cannot do other than agree with mod policy according the tone and purpose of outcomings, I still want ask few conditional questions?

How many new New Jersey fans the team could get in the scenario where Kaapo Kakko is picked first by the team?
Does chosen intra-team-thread policy do justice to Hughes as the future first pick, if it doesn't even allow any other options - categorically?
How many potentially interested people and potential fans are distanced from the boards, and thus in this context, from active fandom only because they are both New Jersey and Kaapo Kakko fans?
Does NJ Devils staff have direct influence to NJD team threads moderation policy?

As stated, I won't be sad guy when Rangers pick Kaapo. But I can imagine there are some people who are NJ fans, and who are sad now and will be sad thereafter.

Its just ( r should be) matter of minor re-assignation of moderation resources. Personally I'm guilty to know something about such resources, apologies.

The general draft thread and World championship thread are Kakko friendly.

As of now Hughes is most likely going first overall. Ray Shero heavily insinuated as much, and most experts have him going there.

Until there is movement on that front, there is no reason to have a thread dedicated to a prospect that is most likely going to be a Ranger.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

@Emperoreddy

Noted.

 

[jj cale]

This is going exactly as I knew it would, great entertainment.

 

[135ace]

While cannot do other than agree with mod policy according the tone and purpose of outcomings, I still want ask few conditional questions?

How many new New Jersey fans the team could get in the scenario where Kaapo Kakko is picked first by the team?
Does chosen intra-team-thread policy do justice to Hughes as the future first pick, if it doesn't even allow any other options - categorically?
How many potentially interested people and potential fans are distanced from the boards, and thus in this context, from active fandom only because they are both New Jersey and Kaapo Kakko fans?
Does NJ Devils staff have direct influence to NJD team threads moderation policy?

As stated, I won't be sad guy when Rangers pick Kaapo. But I can imagine there are some people who are NJ fans, and who are sad now and will be sad thereafter.

Its just ( r should be) matter of minor re-assignation of moderation resources. Personally I'm guilty to know something about such resources, apologies.

Man you guys have no clue.
We would take Byram over Kakko.
Who cares if Kakko got hot and scored some EN goals this tournament. If all we cared about was 1 tournament we could look at the WJC where he sucked, and couldn't even put up a PPG pace playing against children. If anything that just speaks to how weak the Finnish league is. I'm sure Pavel Zacha could have put up a PPG place playing there in his draft season.

Hughes > Byram > Kakko.