RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 5

[BullLund]

I wonder if diseases like diabetes and coeliac (both of which Kakko has), are factored into the draft pick? Obviously they haven't hindered him so far, but they could be factors when measuring his longevity as a player.

I guess Max Domi also has diabetes and it hasn't been a problem for him so far. According to Kakko it mostly just turns eating into a bit more of a hurdle than the rest of the players.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Mmmm.... dreams... uuuuumm.

I simply cannot wrap around my head the mental set of that guy. Cannot. Even if going to meta-level of trolling for looking the motive.

I give 6.7 on Hughes' grade for him.

On Kakko scale he won't make even on a display, and that only because he is dishonest.

That said, I expect Kaapo going to show his enormous drive and skill, but from "2nd second line" of offence. Too important piece for active defense of Finland.

Appendix:

If HFB auto-proof reader considers word "defence" as wrong spelling, Finns spelling it as "defense" shouldn't get any flak for their overall ability to make difference between '...efforts to compliment a player too' and '...efforts to complement the player too'.

We Finns can freely be wrong if we use our own native versions of dialectical, archaic Quenya to make our points clear at English language boards...

There are no false national bride behind that statement. Unlike a typical anglophile in HFB, we Finns are not offended if someone points "faults" in our own personal use of the mother tongue.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Taking Kakko 1OA when Hughes is available would be a Yakupov level 1OA fail. Nobody is down on Kakko, he's just nowhere near as good as Hughes. And that's a fact.

Your opinion is a fact.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

For f*** sake, stop this **** now! This thread hasn't been readble for months now. Stop feeding trolls and incredibly bias fans (both finns n njd fans).

This thread is discussions about one of the best prospects coming from finland of all time and all i see here is complete ****, you guys are acting like 12-yr olds.

Please mod, it's truly needed right now...

It's really just that one NJD fan.

 

[Polar Bear]

I wonder if diseases like diabetes and coeliac (both of which Kakko has), are factored into the draft pick? Obviously they haven't hindered him so far, but they could be factors when measuring his longevity as a player.

I guess Max Domi also has diabetes and it hasn't been a problem for him so far. According to Kakko it mostly just turns eating into a bit more of a hurdle than the rest of the players.

Not with modern sports medicine and science. Several very good players have had diabetes and had long and successful careers even before then. Domi, as you mentioned, being the most recent.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How the Devils team board chooses to conduct its business on how it will discuss its future prospects is exactly that our business.

It is of zero-Concern to non-devils fans

As of right now Jack Hughes is the consensus #1 and is most likely going it be a Devil, so folks coming in for the sole purpose of disparaging him will not be looked st kindly.

So if your plan is to come into our board to be argumentative, disruptive, and troll. It will simply not be tolerated.

If you want to have a friendly open discussion in our World Championship thread, you are most welcome. If you are incapable of doing this without bashing players on the American team, then i kindly ask you to refrain from posting on our board.

If someone thought Kirby Dach was the best player from this draft and wanted to explain that opinion without criticizing Hughes, would they be allowed to voice that opinion? The experts don't rank him 1st.

Why do you think you should have the power to moderate accepted opinions? We all know that you are doing this to try to shield Hughes from discussion of the top ranking in the 2019 draft, which is funny because you don't even know if your team is going to pick the kid. What if your GM prefers Kakko or someone else? And if I got infracted for criticizing your moderators, I have no problem with that. I'd criticize any moderators on this website who thought they are allowed to moderate which hockey opinions are acceptable, as long as there's nothing else there that violates the TOS.

 

[Aurinko]

Kaapo alone won't be turning these teams into contenders. And Devils management would be out of their mind if they risked their careers for an 18 yo Finnish prospect over a native one.

 

[NYR713]

No matter the arguments, this is really exciting as a NYR fan to roll in with their rebuild. I expect NJD to roll with Hughes... and they should, but I'm not crying if they pass and NYR get Hughes. But, that's another thread.

Kakko is exciting to think about on NYR. With Zibanejad showing that #1C level this past season, that so many thought he was capable of becoming, along with Chytil, Howden, Andersson and even Kravtsov able to play C if that's where he slots best, adding a RW with that potential to the mix makes the future look really good.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

No matter the arguments, this is really exciting as a NYR fan to roll in with their rebuild. I expect NJD to roll with Hughes... and they should, but I'm not crying if they pass and NYR get Hughes. But, that's another thread.

Kakko is exciting to think about on NYR. With Zibanejad showing that #1C level this past season, that so many thought he was capable of becoming, along with Chytil, Howden, Andersson and even Kravtsov able to play C if that's where he slots best, adding a RW with that potential to the mix makes the future look really good.

There might not be a 2C in that mix. It's much easier for lesser players to play up in the lineup at winger. If Kakko can play center, he should play center.

 

[Snowsii]

If someone thought Kirby Dach was the best player from this draft and wanted to explain that opinion without criticizing Hughes, would they be allowed to voice that opinion? The experts don't rank him 1st.

Why do you think you should have the power to moderate accepted opinions? We all know that you are doing this to try to shield Hughes from discussion of the top ranking in the 2019 draft, which is funny because you don't even know if your team is going to pick the kid. What if your GM prefers Kakko or someone else? And if I got infracted for criticizing your moderators, I have no problem with that. I'd criticize any moderators on this website who thought they are allowed to moderate which hockey opinions are acceptable, as long as there's nothing else there that violates the TOS.

Are the moderators actually violating the TOS in their section?

 

[olop]

Having lived in Finland for decades and having learned the language - at some cost to my own - this is approximately how I feel.

In defense of the Finns you really need to understand the Finnish hockey media to get where this much of the hype is coming from. They are bats**t crazy in the same way as Toronto and Montreal medias are. I often wonder if some of the heated arguments between Finns and fans of team X are because Americans and Canadians do not understand just how hockey crazy Finland is.

Finnish media stirs the pot with the best of them. And I grew up in Montreal. They overhype and play the victim card and quote obscure NHL-experts to sell their product. Some of that will inevitably end up in places like this. With that in mind I don't think it is all about causing an argument. It is trusting their sports writers and commentators too much. F.ex. They might sincerely believe that Ville Pokka didn't make the Hawks because he never got the chance that he somehow deserved, because that's what they are told.

But mostly Finnish hockey fans, the real fans with season tickets etc. are every bit on par with their Canadian counterparts. If you read some of these discussions carefully enough, it is pretty easy to see who needs to be blocked and you don't need many. Suddenly things are quite different.

This is all true. And for the bolded I'd say it's just a few posters and most of the HF knows who they are.

 

[fr9dd9]

People seam to think Hughes has the upper hand on hes potential cuz he has so much more to gain physicly. But Kakko is skinny and has so much in that departement to gain aswell! He is not super strong at all. What makes him strong on the ice are hes incredible edgework, incredible POISE, hes lowerback and that trunk area STRENTH. And oh boy when he build up getting real strong, he will be so hard to get of the puck in the offensive corners. All that plus hes incredible stickhandling will be such a beast. The potential in Kakko is truly Peter forsberg level.

I dont care what anyone else says..

 

[Morten]

Kaapo alone won't be turning these teams into contenders. And Devils management would be out of their mind if they risked their careers for an 18 yo Finnish prospect over a native one.

McDavid alone didn't turn his team into a contender either, but I agree its a risky move to not go with the guy who has been seen as the clear number 1 pick for a long time now

 

[Albatros]

I don't think Kakko has potential much above Rantanen, certainly not Forsberg, but on the other hand he's unlikely to fall too much short of that Rantanen level either as he's so far in his development already. With Hughes there's always the possibility that he won't figure it out at all and will struggle being an efficient NHLer.

 

[1OApick]

I don't think Kakko has potential much above Rantanen, certainly not Forsberg, but on the other hand he's unlikely to fall too much short of that Rantanen level either as he's so far in his development already. With Hughes there's always the possibility that he won't figure it out at all and will struggle being an efficient NHLer.

While i agree with your point these kind of assumptions are almost always pretty black and white. Kakko is physically really raw and his skating could improve a lot. Hard to put any cap on players potential.

 

[NJ07102]

I dont care what anyone else says..

Then why are you even on a discussion board?

 

[ijuka]

I don't think Kakko has potential much above Rantanen, certainly not Forsberg, but on the other hand he's unlikely to fall too much short of that Rantanen level either as he's so far in his development already. With Hughes there's always the possibility that he won't figure it out at all and will struggle being an efficient NHLer.

"He's so good he'll probably not get better"? He should be able to add some 30 pounds of muscle and mature as a player overall. It doesn't have any logical basis to suggest that he's not going to be able to improve very much.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

This is all true. And for the bolded I'd say it's just a few posters and most of the HF knows who they are.

I agree, that's true.

When it is extrapolated over whole fellowship of registered user of HFBoards, then we are achieved something.

Its not like the problem is just few Finnish posters (not even in this thread).

Some Finns are badass, granted, that doesn't mean that problems in discussions itself are coming from us. For example, I've never seen a situation where @Ippenator wouldn't have admit he was wrong - when he was wrong. Still, same "controversial" guy has provided more topics for talking than everybody combined. @kelsier always immaculate in his comments, as such, always forced to counter every imaginable half-red counter-comment with full essay. @PsychoDad is still more correct than 99% of his antagonists considering Laine debate of spring 2016.

I only hope these guys could say what they mean in their native tongue. Operation with sometimes overwhelming handicap against these idiots can be very hard, frustrating, causing fatique. Mods doesn't help either. They are nearly always on the side of "consensus", not on the side of a force of argument...

Best arguments and longest going insight to a future concerning Finnish prospects are probably going to be ignored, because they who where right in long term, are also same guys who are/where most rigorous in their analysis short term. Same guys are also the most ignored posters in these parts of the site.

All that same will repeat in adjunction of Kaapo Kakko, with adequate magnitude of force.

 

[BB88]

I can't help but to laugh at this garbage.

Please be a Ranger.

 

[Albatros]

"He's so good he'll probably not get better"? He should be able to add some 30 pounds of muscle and mature as a player overall. It doesn't have any logical basis to suggest that he's not going to be able to improve very much.

That's essentially what Rantanen did.

 

[Pi]

I don't want Kakko to go 1st overall but this really isn't the same as Matthews vs Laine.
Matthews was 6'3 C dominating Men's league in his draft season with little question marks to his game.

Kakko is much more versatile player and threat than Laine, superior skater while he doesn't have any major weaknessess.
Dominates More on his own than Laine.

True. He's got the entire tool set.

This is the golden age of Finnish hockey. They are churning out a bunch of superstar level talent the past couple years.

 

[ijuka]

That's essentially what Rantanen did.

Yes, but my point is that if Kakko's able to do that he'll be much better than Rantanen, as his skillset is superior in essentially every way.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Why would we bother talking about someone who is clearly a tier below Hughes? I mean if we're talking about the second tier prospects I'd be more interested in Byram. I'd consider taking him over Kakko before I ever consider taking Kakko over Hughes.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[fr9dd9]

Then why are you even on a discussion board?

Well, with that I mean I wont change my mind about it? Still up for discussion?

 

[Aurinko]

McDavid alone didn't turn his team into a contender either, but I agree its a risky move to not go with the guy who has been seen as the clear number 1 pick for a long time now

It's not just the player quality they have to consider, Hughes market value is off the charts.

Just looking at him makes me want to buy a new Ford pickup.