RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 3

[MarVell]

Yes, 30 goals seems to be a down year for him. Your comment is hilarious.

I think it will be the norm rather than a down year. Still good but not superstar good.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I think it will be the norm rather than a down year. Still good but not superstar good.

You're entitled to your opinion

 

[joe dirte]

Meh, when TPS fans who've followed this team for 30 years say that they haven't seen an offensive talent like Kakko on the team ever, that's an indication that he's something special. Notable NHL forwards who've come from TPS: Saku & Mikko Koivu, Mikko Rantanen & Jere Lehtinen.

I know a lot of ignorant people here **** on Jack Hughes without having seen him play a single game, but i feel like there is also some SERIOUS underestimating of Kaapo Kakko going on. Point totals never tell the whole story, if it was that easy, then teams would have no reason to send their scouts around the globe to watch the players actually play. I see Sam Reinhart & Tkachuck comparisons and i can't help but shake my head.

Not sure why people are so damn afraid to hype up these prospects. I remember when nobody believed that Laine could score against NHL goalies. People were talking about Matthews scoring like 25+25 in his rookie season. Pettersson's too skinny for the NHL. Brady Tkachuck is overrated, he only has only 8 goals in NCAA. Kotkaniemi who? Montreal screwed up! This is a young man's league. These kids will succeed and they'll be kids when they do it.

Hughes and Kakko will be going at it in 2019-2020 Calder race. And the same people underestimating these players will be underestimating the next crop of youngsters.

People said laine couldnt score on nhl goalies? News to me.

Hes got a great shot so he always score goals. I don't think he will ever be a rocket richard winner, because there is more to scoring goals than just a shot, and laine isnt really a great player outside of his shot. But that has nothing to do with nhl goalies.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

People said laine couldnt score on nhl goalies? News to me.

Hes got a great shot so he always score goals. I don't think he will ever be a rocket richard winner, because there is more to scoring goals than just a shot, and laine isnt really a great player outside of his shot. But that has nothing to do with nhl goalies.

Yeah. "I wanna see him do that against an NHL goalie" was a regular thing people kept saying.

 

[ijuka]

Brady Tkachuk is the player comparable then.

That's such a dreadfully bad comparable. He's far more skilled. They don't even play the same style. Peter Forsberg is the best one so far.

Yeah. "I wanna see him do that against an NHL goalie" was a regular thing people kept saying.

I wish you were joking but this is true. Somehow, Finnish players' skills will never translate to NHL. But going top 65 in OHL scoring history is a "historical season".

 

[MarVell]

You're entitled to your opinion

Well Thank you.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

People said laine couldnt score on nhl goalies? News to me.

Hes got a great shot so he always score goals. I don't think he will ever be a rocket richard winner, because there is more to scoring goals than just a shot, and laine isnt really a great player outside of his shot. But that has nothing to do with nhl goalies.

So you think that 20 year old Patrik Laine will not develop anymore? He's done?

 

[joe dirte]

Yeah. "I wanna see him do that against an NHL goalie" was a regular thing people kept saying.

News to me.

Well he can. Park him in the high slot, get a couple of linemates that can carry the play and feed him the puck, he will score a few goals. He will probably score 35 to 40 goals most years.

 

[joe dirte]

So you think that 20 year old Patrik Laine will not develop anymore? He's done?

I have no idea what he will or will not develop into. I wiuldnt bet on him ever becoming above average at anything else but i obviously dont know for certain.

 

[NickH8]

Meh, when TPS fans who've followed this team for 30 years say that they haven't seen an offensive talent like Kakko on the team ever, that's an indication that he's something special. Notable NHL forwards who've come from TPS: Saku & Mikko Koivu, Mikko Rantanen & Jere Lehtinen.

I know a lot of ignorant people here **** on Jack Hughes without having seen him play a single game, but i feel like there is also some SERIOUS underestimating of Kaapo Kakko going on. Point totals never tell the whole story, if it was that easy, then teams would have no reason to send their scouts around the globe to watch the players actually play. I see Sam Reinhart & Tkachuck comparisons and i can't help but shake my head.

Not sure why people are so damn afraid to hype up these prospects. I remember when nobody believed that Laine could score against NHL goalies. People were talking about Matthews scoring like 25+25 in his rookie season. Pettersson's too skinny for the NHL. Brady Tkachuck is overrated, he only has only 8 goals in NCAA. Kotkaniemi who? Montreal screwed up! This is a young man's league. These kids will succeed and they'll be kids when they do it.

Hughes and Kakko will be going at it in 2019-2020 Calder race. And the same people underestimating these players will be underestimating the next crop of youngsters.

We can split hairs over who's better but I think in the end both will be elite players and the teams that get them will be happy. Hot take I know.

 

[kelsier]

Kakko definetely has a lot in common to Forsberg in a way he controls the puck in tight places with great hands and gap control. Forsberg was also known as shifty skater with sharp turns, wraparound tries and reverse hits that made him really hard to contain. Kakko is having these same manners and even that hesitation to shoot if we name one con at the early ssn reminded of Peter who always seemed to look for a beauty goal instead of easy decision on his own.

So all in all I wuld say Forsberg is the closest comparison to style that Kakko plays obviously.

I couldn't agree more. I was just looking into Forsberg vids from the Tube yesterday shortly after the TPS game and the resemblance almost felt weird. Despite of one playing in the NHL and the other in the FEL, nevermind that one was in the prime and the other being still an undrafted prospect. No need to go into detail about similarities since you covered almost everything there already.

Kakko has been getting better and better as the season has progressed and should his overall development evolve similarly, there's no telling if he could come close to reaching those heights. The odds are always against, but at least his story looks to have a remarkable beginning.

People said laine couldnt score on nhl goalies? News to me.

Hes got a great shot so he always score goals. I don't think he will ever be a rocket richard winner, because there is more to scoring goals than just a shot, and laine isnt really a great player outside of his shot. But that has nothing to do with nhl goalies.

Ha, everything about this post is so invalid that it seems like you might have more news ahead of you than you think.

 

[ijuka]

We can split hairs over who's better but I think in the end both will be elite players and the teams that get them will be happy. Hot take I know.

Thing is, I don't think it'll be close enough for both teams to be happy.

... Unless Kakko's picked first, obviously.

 

[joe dirte]

I couldn't agree more. I was just looking into Forsberg vids from the Tube yesterday shortly after the TPS game and the resemblance almost felt weird. Despite of one playing in the NHL and the other in the FEL, nevermind that one was in the prime and the other being still an undrafted prospect. No need to go into detail about similarities since you covered almost everything there already.

Kakko has been getting better and better as the season has progressed and should his overall development evolve similarly, there's no telling if he could come close to reaching those heights. The odds are always against, but at least his story looks to have a remarkable beginning.



Ha, everything about this post is so invalid that it seems like you might have more news ahead of you than you think.

It may irritate yiu but its true.

 

[MarVell]

I have no idea what he will or will not develop into. I wiuldnt bet on him ever becoming above average at anything else but i obviously dont know for certain.

I agree with this.

 

[kelsier]

It may irritate yiu but its true.

Not at all. I don't care what people think, especially ones with no real knowledge. Doubt anyone else actually buys that non-sense anymore than I do. Something that actually happened in the past turned out to be "news" for you. So what does that tell the rest of us? Well I would certainly say it means not paying attention, which probably means not even following the player.

 

[joe dirte]

Not at all. I don't care what people think, especially ones with no real knowledge. Doubt anyone else actually buys that non-sense anymore than I do. Something that actually happened in the past turned out to be "news" for you. So what does that tell the rest of us? Well I would certainly say it means not paying attention, which probably means not even following the player.

Okay. If youre paying attention how many goals has he scored in the last 30 games?

How many have been scored against him? Would the corrwct answer be "a lot. More than any other teammate by a mile"?

 

[kelsier]

Okay. If youre paying attention how many goals has he scored in the last 30 games?

How many have been scored against him? Would the corrwct answer be "a lot. More than any other teammate by a mile"?

Wait, what? You mean 30 games > 222 games? Erm, I'm quite certain that the bigger the number, the larger the sample size, or are we judging a young player by what happened yesterday or what he's been doing over the course of his career? I really can't help you if your assessments are not only based, but fully formed by recency bias.

On a more serious note, at first the actual happened events turned out news for you and now at the same time you're forgetting an existence of around two hundred played NHL games. That's absolutely frigging hilarious. Oh and for the record, I've watched the past 30 games and all the games before that (minus ~one or two).

Now if you actually have a case against Laine for being a bad hockey player, then feel to either go to one of his topics, link me to it and I'll take up on that offer in the morning when I'll wake up np. Sorry but I'm not about to let some random person hijack Kakko's thread to derail it.

 

[BleedWell]

Meh, when TPS fans who've followed this team for 30 years say that they haven't seen an offensive talent like Kakko on the team ever, that's an indication that he's something special. Notable NHL forwards who've come from TPS: Saku & Mikko Koivu, Mikko Rantanen & Jere Lehtinen.

I know a lot of ignorant people here **** on Jack Hughes without having seen him play a single game, but i feel like there is also some SERIOUS underestimating of Kaapo Kakko going on. Point totals never tell the whole story, if it was that easy, then teams would have no reason to send their scouts around the globe to watch the players actually play. I see Sam Reinhart & Tkachuck comparisons and i can't help but shake my head.

Not sure why people are so damn afraid to hype up these prospects. I remember when nobody believed that Laine could score against NHL goalies. People were talking about Matthews scoring like 25+25 in his rookie season. Pettersson's too skinny for the NHL. Brady Tkachuck is overrated, he only has only 8 goals in NCAA. Kotkaniemi who? Montreal screwed up! This is a young man's league. These kids will succeed and they'll be kids when they do it.

Hughes and Kakko will be going at it in 2019-2020 Calder race. And the same people underestimating these players will be underestimating the next crop of youngsters.

Funny because I have followed TPS 30 years sharp this spring And to be fair the best prospect who has played in TPS was Saku Koivu 94-95. But he was couple of years older than Kakko is and that is of course a big difference. From all the 17-18 year olds from the last thirty years?
Kakko and it's not even close.

 

[Saekk]

Funny because I have followed TPS 30 years sharp this spring And to be fair the best prospect who has played in TPS was Saku Koivu 94-95. But he was couple of years older than Kakko is and that is of course a big difference. From all the 17-18 year olds from the last thirty years?
Kakko and it's not even close.

On the point of Koivu, we will never know how good he would have been without injuries, so that makes sense.

 

[Alienato]

Funny because I have followed TPS 30 years sharp this spring And to be fair the best prospect who has played in TPS was Saku Koivu 94-95. But he was couple of years older than Kakko is and that is of course a big difference. From all the 17-18 year olds from the last thirty years?
Kakko and it's not even close.

Those golden years... But still for me its hard compare S. Koivu with Kakko. Most cause at that time period TPS was Elite team with Jokerit. So if u got responsibility/talent you also had elite players around you. But when S. Koivu was 19yo he played 46g with 10p. And at he's best season 94-95 he turned 21y.
Anyway S. Koivu was fav player in TPS and long time in NHL aswell. But if need pick up from S. Koivu or K. Kakko it would definitely be Kakko. Think TPS today is way weaker than at 90's dynast, Kakko is younger than S. Koivu at the time and somehow like way more Kakko's style than Koivus

 

[ijuka]

Funny because I have followed TPS 30 years sharp this spring And to be fair the best prospect who has played in TPS was Saku Koivu 94-95. But he was couple of years older than Kakko is and that is of course a big difference. From all the 17-18 year olds from the last thirty years?
Kakko and it's not even close.

2 and a half years older, yeah. Half a year older, Koivu scored 10 points in 46 games in Liiga. Such is the evolution.

At that time, Koivu already had Olympics experience, WC experience with amazing first line performance at both, it's really tough to consider them to have been in the same situation.

 

[BleedWell]

Those golden years... But still for me its hard compare S. Koivu with Kakko. Most cause at that time period TPS was Elite team with Jokerit. So if u got responsibility/talent you also had elite players around you. But when S. Koivu was 19yo he played 46g with 10p. And at he's best season 94-95 he turned 21y.
Anyway S. Koivu was fav player in TPS and long time in NHL aswell. But if need pick up from S. Koivu or K. Kakko it would definitely be Kakko. Think TPS today is way weaker than at 90's dynast, Kakko is younger than S. Koivu at the time and somehow like way more Kakko's style than Koivus

But we also have to keep in mind that Liiga was back then way way better league than it is now. The best league after NHL hands down. But yeah those were the days

 

[BleedWell]

2 and a half years older, yeah. Half a year older, Koivu scored 10 points in 46 games in Liiga. Such is the evolution.

At that time, Koivu already had Olympics experience, WC experience with amazing first line performance at both, it's really tough to consider them to have been in the same situation.

You're point?
I just said that there is a difference are you 18 or 20 years old. Original post was about best prospects. Saku Koivu was a prospect back then and he is still the most dominant one in 30 years in a TPS uniform.

 

[ijuka]

You're point?
I just said that there is a difference are you 18 or 20 years old. Original post was about best prospects. Saku Koivu was a prospect back then and he was is still the most dominant prospect in 30 years in a TPS uniform.

It's additional info. I don't think I was disagreeing with you.

 

[BleedWell]

It's additional info. I don't think I was disagreeing with you.

Yeah I don't think we are in disagreement. Saku was the best 19-20 year old prospect and Kakko is the best 17-18 year old prospect.