RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 3

[ijuka]

I just mean in general. Forsberg would probably beat up your grandmother if it meant he could have a scoring chance. Very few players if any come close to that level of intensity.

Uhh... great? You realize even Avs fans have compared him to Forsberg, saying that he's the closest to a Forsberg they've had since? Naturally comparables aren't going to be 1:1, they're all individuals.

But he absolutely isn't closer to Marleau, come on.

 

[Daximus]

Uhh... great? You realize even Avs fans have compared him to Forsberg, saying that he's the closest to a Forsberg they've had since? Naturally comparables aren't going to be 1:1, they're all individuals.

But he absolutely isn't closer to Marleau, come on.

Funny you don't question whether they have watched Kakko... hmmm probably because it aligns with your silly narrative. The same narrative Matthews fan boys tried throwing out there. Plays like Forsberg.... that's f***ing comical.
He's a hell of a lot closer to Marleau then Forsberg.

 

[Daximus]

Just because a player drives the net and scores in tight, doesn't mean they are a Peter Forsberg comparable.

 

[ijuka]

Funny you don't question whether they have watched Kakko... hmmm probably because it aligns with your silly narrative. The same narrative Matthews fan boys tried throwing out there. Plays like Forsberg.... that's ****ing comical.
He's a hell of a lot closer to Marleau then Forsberg.

Kakko's far more physical than Matthews.

Interesting how you take such issue with a Forsberg-comparison yet compare to Marleau who Kakko plays nothing alike.

 

[Daximus]

Kakko's far more physical than Matthews.

Interesting how you take such issue with a Forsberg-comparison yet compare to Marleau who Kakko plays nothing alike.

Whats wrong with Marleau? Is Kakko not fast enough? Not as good of a stickhandler? Doesn't have as good of a shot? Can't create plays with high level of creativity? Doesn't drive the net well? Marleau did all of those things in his prime.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Forsberg at 18 was still a monster, way moreso than Kakko. And as time progressed became even more of a beast. He was top 5 in PIM in his D+1, led the SHL in PIM in his D+2. Kakko doesn't even sniff his jockstrap in terms of physicality.

The same **** came up when Matthews was compared to Forsberg. They aren't even close.

It is a stylistic comparison, christ. No one is expecting him to be the next Foppa. If you do not agree, then you dont, but you cant make someone else not see it

 

[ijuka]

Whats wrong with Marleau? Is Kakko not fast enough? Not as good of a stickhandler? Doesn't have as good of a shot? Can't create plays with high level of creativity? Doesn't drive the net well? Marleau did all of those things in his prime.

Kakko just doesn't play the same way as Marleau, he doesn't remind one of Marleau at all.

It's not some "oh this tool, this tool and this tool seem to match"-sort of a thing. They just don't play the same way...

 

[Daximus]

It is a stylistic comparison, christ. No one is expecting him to be the next Foppa

It's not a great stylistic comparison if he plays nothing like him though... I swear no one in this htread even understands what Forsberg played like. They just see that he was a great player of his generation and compare every other players to him. I remember when MacKinnon was compared to Forsberg, Draisaitl was compared to Forsberg at times and even a few people pointed at Forsberg comparison for Eichel but that got shut down hard, then a bunch of fanboys compared Matthews to Forsberg. Now Kakko. Truth is none of them play anywhere close to the way Forsberg played.

 

[Daximus]

Kakko just doesn't play the same way as Marleau, he doesn't remind one of Marleau at all.

It's not some "oh this tool, this tool and this tool seem to match"-sort of a thing. They just don't play the same way...

What makes their play styles different?

 

[Nate070]

Whats wrong with Marleau? Is Kakko not fast enough? Not as good of a stickhandler? Doesn't have as good of a shot? Can't create plays with high level of creativity? Doesn't drive the net well? Marleau did all of those things in his prime.

That is the worst comparison of a player i have seen on HF-boards. Congrats. As many say. He IS NOT FOPPA REINCARNATED. He just have some similarities. The drive, the passing, the physical play (he´s 18 god dammit). He´s strong along the boards. Foppa didn´t have the strongest of shots so here Kaapo has one plus on F.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

It's not a great stylistic comparison if he plays nothing like him though... I swear no one in this htread even understands what Forsberg played like. They just see that he was a great player of his generation and compare every other players to him. I remember when MacKinnon was compared to Forsberg, Draisaitl was compared to Forsberg at times and even a few people pointed at Forsberg comparison for Eichel but that got shut down hard, then a bunch of fanboys compared Matthews to Forsberg. Now Kakko. Truth is none of them play anywhere close to the way Forsberg played.

Like I said, if you do not agree then you do not. It is a matter of opinion, neither one of you is right or wrong. Like, I never saw Foppa play live, but in my opinion their movement and stick handling looks very similar and the way they both seem to loooovr wrap around goals (this one is really eerie if you compare their highlights). If someone else thinks it does not, then they do. I am not going to try and change that.

 

[Nabrules]

Phanomenal year for KK. Have had him number 2 since the start of the year and he’s still exceeded my expectations. Could be a franchise level winger some day

 

[Daximus]

Like I said, if you do not agree then you do not. It is a matter of opinion, neither one of you is right or wrong

I'm just trying to comprehend why Finnish hockey fans compare every single one of their young talented players to superstars.. Laine is comparable to Lemieux... Kakko is comparable Forsberg. Talk about lofty expectations.

 

[Daximus]

That is the worst comparison of a player i have seen on HF-boards. Congrats. As many say. He IS NOT FOPPA REINCARNATED. He just have some similarities. The drive, the passing, the physical play (he´s 18 god dammit). He´s strong along the boards. Foppa didn´t have the strongest of shots so here Kaapo has one plus on F.

He doesn't come close to the way a young Forsberg played either. So again it's not a good comparable. You can capitalize your letters all you want. It won't change that.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I'm just trying to comprehend why Finnish hockey fans compare every single one of their young talented players to superstars.. Laine is comparable to Lemieux... Kakko is comparable Forsberg. Talk about lofty expectations.

And here you go again not understanding the meaning of stylistic comparison.

Also comparing high tier prospects styles to other high tier players is not a Finnish thing so kindly dont say things like that. It is something that is done by major scouting agencies, personalities and media every year.

 

[Hokinaittii]

Not even close to Forsbergs. I question whether a lot of people here even watched Forsberg with how much his name gets thrown around recently to compare him to every other kid that comes through the draft. Were talking about the guy that Kronwalled Kronwall. The guy that would throw up arms and elbows whenever people would try to hit him, the guy that was the king of the reverse hit. he guy that Don Cherry called a backstabbing little weasel. Forsberg dominated an era where clutching and grabbing was at an all time high by just being purely stronger then everyone else. Trust me Kakko doesn't have that.

So we should trust you based on the half dozen games you've probably watched Kakko?

You should realize that no player is the carbon copy of another player but if you are saying Kakko doesn't have anything similar to Forsberg, I have to believe you haven't even watched him play besides one or two game here and there.

If you are expecting Kakko to be as mean as Forsberg was, you are watching a wrong era of hockey. No one can play like Forsberg did because nowadays you would be suspended for 20 games if you were to play like Forsberg did in his prime.

There are some things prime Forsberg does better than prime Kakko does and vice versa.

 

[Daximus]

And here you go again not understanding the meaning of stylistic comparison.

Stylistic comparisons is playing like a player. It's not a stylistic comparison if they don't play like that player. I remember when everyone tried to tell you guys Laine is closer to a Brett Hull then a Lemieux and this same argument was paraded out. I mean you are free to compare him to anyone you want, and I'm free to disagree and compare him to another. In the end they will be their own player.

 

[ijuka]

I'm just trying to comprehend why Finnish hockey fans compare every single one of their young talented players to superstars.. Laine is comparable to Lemieux... Kakko is comparable Forsberg. Talk about lofty expectations.

Better than Marleau who plays a completely different brand of hockey. And how? Kakko's game is dominating physically, strong board play, carrying and protecting the puck etc. and I'm certainly not an expert on Marleau so I'll not analyze him, but I've seen him enough of him over the years that I can say he is not an accurate comparable at all.

In general, Kakko plays in a very Swedish way. I think there's several other comparables but you'll see they're a lot more inaccurate, like Henrik Sedin.

 

[Daximus]

Better than Marleau who plays a completely different brand of hockey. And how? Kakko's game is dominating physically, strong board play, carrying and protecting the puck etc. and I'm certainly not an expert on Marleau so I'll not analyze him, but I've seen him enough of him over the years that I can say he is not an accurate comparable at all.

In general, Kakko plays in a very Swedish way. I think there's several other comparables but you'll see they're a lot more inaccurate, like Henrik Sedin.

Henrik is not much closer but really hard to compare anyone to either one of the twins. It's really tough to imagine one without the other and whether their playstyles change because of it. I can see a bit of Naslund in his game as well. That equal part scorer and playmaker. His shooting is really underrated. Actually has a pretty solid one-timer from that right circle as well. Naslund also played with intensity but wasn't over the line with it like Forsberg.

 

[ijuka]

Henrik is closer but really hard to compare anyone to either one of the twins. It's really tough to imagine one without the other and whether their playstyles change because of it. I can see a bit of Naslund in his game as well. That equal part scorer and playmaker. His shooting is really underrated. Actually has a pretty solid one-timer from that right circle as well. Naslund also played with intensity but wasn't over the line with it like Forsberg.

"Equal part scorer and playmaker", sheesh. Stylistic comparisons aren't about how many goals you score per an assist. It's about the style of play. What is the essence of Henrik Sedin to you? To me, it's incredible board and possession play, amazing cycling, incredible puck protection. The assists and goals or whatever don't even come into play here when thinking about play style. However, I still don't think the comparison's quite as good as Forsberg, because Henrik was not as physical or possessive. Henrik wasn't the type to try to go through 3 guys while stickhandling and protecting the puck, Forsberg was.

Honestly, to me it just seems like the entire concept of "stylistic comparison" is entirely foreign to you or you just do not grasp what a "playstyle" is, so that'll be that. We'll disagree.

 

[Daximus]

"Equal part scorer and playmaker", sheesh. Stylistic comparisons aren't about how many goals you score per an assist. It's about the style of play. What is the essence of Henrik Sedin to you? To me, it's incredible board and possession play, amazing cycling, incredible puck protection. The assists and goals or whatever don't even come into play here when thinking about play style. However, I still don't think the comparison's quite as good as Forsberg, because Henrik was not as physical or possessive.

Honestly, to me it just seems like the entire concept of "stylistic comparison" is entirely foreign to you or you just do not grasp what a "playstyle" is, so that'll be that. We'll disagree.

Henrik was not as possessive just discredits everything you ever say, especially when you literally say in the same paragraph that he had incredibile possession play. They just did it in different ways.

I'll trust my own assessment over those that seem to have an obsession with comparing their players to any buzzword superstar. The hype you try to generate for your fellow countrymen borderlines on insane.

 

[FinPanda]

I don't know anything about these comparisons since I haven't followed the players mentioned. I only hope for the best for Kakko and I hope he will be a very good NHLer.

He is Kaapo Kakko and will play like him.

 

[Daximus]

I don't know anything about these comparisons since I haven't followed the players mentioned. I only hope for the best for Kakko and I hope he will be a very good NHLer.

He is Kaapo Kakko and will play like him.

And that is the most honest answer this thread has seen really.

 

[1OApick]

I can agree that Kakko doesn't have that mean streak like Forsberg. This only stylistical comparison but Kakko is hybrid of Matthews and Forsberg. Lacks speed and rage what Forsberg possesses but is definitely more aggressive compared to Matthews. Not as good shooter as Matthews is. Kakko often reverse hits but don't have many regular hits.

 

[Hokinaittii]

You're the one that brought life experience into it. Just trying to show you how little that actually matters even when it comes to something as small as assessing hockey players.

I was still referring to hockey when I mentioned that.

I would be fine with you saying there are better comparisons to Kakko than Forsberg but when you say they don't have any similarities in their games, you strike to me as someone who clearly hasn't watched enough Kakko to see those similarities.