Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III
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Coleman would be nice right about now. His contract doesn't fit though. Not saying he doesn't deserve it, but it just doesn't fit with our team.
Devil X
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Context matters here. No shot were the Devils in on either Rantanan or Miller. They may have checked in on Miller but I dont think it was legit option. The Pens made a deal with the Canucks because of their Miller deal. Flyers and Flames deals are not deals for players I would have wanted. Maybe the only deal that hurts was the Dallas/Sharks deal because of Granlund.
The Devils are not going to be big game hunting this deadline.
You know exactly the same amount as the rest of us your just being negative and making negative assumptions. As I said if the deadline comes and goes and no deals are made then by all means rip whoever apart.
Why am I the only one that is happy with this team?
I must be the village idiot.
I must be the village idiot.
Devil X
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No I was telling someone the other day that even with the bad January I am not nervous about this team making the playoffs and being impactful there.
NJDevs26
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All of you posting the 'playoff odds' drive me nuts, as if limping into the playoffs with a poor second half and limping out 2010 style would be some grand achievement. Not to mention those odds only get worse if they keep losing going into the break. Then the excuse after the break's gonna be Markstrom was rusty, or whatever - it's always something with this group.
It's been five weeks, when do we start caring about them consistently sucking? Why should we assume they'll just bounce out of it when it's been one thing after another since Christmas losing to bad team after bad team? I'm just tired of the underachieving and excuses, making the playoffs is the bare freaking minimum they should get out of this year.
It's been five weeks, when do we start caring about them consistently sucking? Why should we assume they'll just bounce out of it when it's been one thing after another since Christmas losing to bad team after bad team? I'm just tired of the underachieving and excuses, making the playoffs is the bare freaking minimum they should get out of this year.
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Forge
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Probably mostly about expectations. Personally, pretty happy to make the playoffs whether they limp in or are coming in on a hot streak. But I may be happy with just that because I also believe even if this team were playing well, Carolina is going to send them out on their ass in the playoffs.
PizzaAndPucks
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You should be. You don't have the luxury of playing teams like the Sharks, Ducks & Sabres in the playoffs.
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It's a good team that's looked close to being a great team.
People want to believe the 'rebuild' switch flips off and the 'window' switch goes on, but it's the jump to absolutely professional we're having anxiety about here. They're playing badly - I don't think anyone, including Keefe, disagrees with that. But one, they're never really out of games and two, it's pretty obvious what needs to be done roster-wise.
People want to believe the 'rebuild' switch flips off and the 'window' switch goes on, but it's the jump to absolutely professional we're having anxiety about here. They're playing badly - I don't think anyone, including Keefe, disagrees with that. But one, they're never really out of games and two, it's pretty obvious what needs to be done roster-wise.
The problem with Meier is not just that he misses too many good chances, he is also supposed to be driving his own line now. All I see is a pretty bad and sloppy puck handler who skates around one guy and then skates into a couple more and loses the puck. Shot selection is another thing, it's as poor as his vision. He had all the chances in the world to play together with Jack or Nico and he is not a good fit for neither. I'd say it's because he doesn't have the hockey IQ to play with guys like that. He could be a physically dominating power forward, but he uses his strength way too rarely. All in all, that trade was simply a giant mistake.
PizzaAndPucks
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Meier is a 2nd line player on pace for roughly 60 points. His contract isnt the best but he is producing like he normally paces for. He's a bit overpaid but not by a ton. Also take into account that he isn't getting 1st line powerplay minutes to boost his stats. That makes a difference when it comes to anyone's offensive numbers. I agree though that we need to get more out of him and a few others.
It feels like Jack is having a pretty good season by his own standards but he isn't on pace to break100 points...I thought Jack was going to quite simply surpass that by this point in his career. I think it is safe to say that we need more from him as well if he really is a Superstar level talent like his big brother Quinn.
While that is true you can also ask yourself why he isn't getting it.
He is literally the only every-night-threat to score outside of the PP1. Maybe throw in Luke.
Get him a playmaking center and then get back to me.
Nico has too much on his plate atm. Sorry, putting him with Nico isn't the answer.
Get Meir someone who can set him up around the hashmarks or below.
He literally has to carry the puck into the zone, beat the defenders, and take the shot.
Give him a break and get him a true playmaker to play with.
Once that's done, you all can bitch about his performance.
Since December 8th, the Devils only lost a game by more than 1 goal (not including empty net goals), twice…. Two. Two times.
They need rest and their two centers healthy. And best goalie healthy. Also can use a forward acquisition.
Danometer at a 5.5
They need rest and their two centers healthy. And best goalie healthy. Also can use a forward acquisition.
Danometer at a 5.5
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The guy scored exactly once in the last 14 games. He was tried with Jack, it didn't work. Is Jack not a playmaker? And now we have to trade for "a playmaking center" to make the guy score? Even though he "has to carry the puck into the zone, beat the defenders, and take the shot."? Doesn't make much sense to be honest.
Devil X
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Because we have to many good players. Meier was really good from the circle with the Sharks. One timers from that side. With how the Devils run the PP that’s not really an option. Think the opposite side of Ovy.
Probem is the Devils PP is based on movement that’s why Bratt and Hughes just skate around looking for openings others don’t see. Luke does it on PP2 but Meier is a shooter first player not a playmaker so it’s really not his style.
There is no room for him on PP1. Noesen is clearly a better net front player, Nico is there for faceoffs and as a bumper which maybe Meier could do but he’s not a center so you lose the faceoffs. Then you have the drink stirrers in Bratt Jack and Dougie.
The reason Meier isn’t on PP1 is the power play philosophy not so much him. If they built a style on the PP where they were looking for a one timer from the circle he would be more prominent I believe.
I too think the team is fine.
Getting a healthy Haula, Hischier, and Markstrom back after the break will be a big deal.
We know Fitz is looking for a center. He's said it and so has all credible media.
He will end up getting someone that we'll find out he's been looking at for 18 months as is usual with him.
Getting a healthy Haula, Hischier, and Markstrom back after the break will be a big deal.
We know Fitz is looking for a center. He's said it and so has all credible media.
He will end up getting someone that we'll find out he's been looking at for 18 months as is usual with him.
Are we really still talking about the rebuild in year 10 of it.. they were picked by almost everyone to be a contender for the cup this year.
The core minus Luke is pretty much in its prime right now.
The time to be contending is now. This talk about patience and the rebuild needs to be retired permanently.
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They haven't been the same team post Christmas break that they were before, for a variety of reasons. I don't think those reasons are that they're not actually that good, so they can get back there. It's just going to be more difficult without 2 of your top 3 centers and your starting goalie.
Love how this just presupposes they are going to keep losing.
It's been a bad stretch. How much you value it depends on how much you value a bad stretch in general. They've definitely shown signs of coming out of it, and they haven't really played many blowout games against.
Brooklyndevil
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At this pace of trades happening there might not be anything decent left at the deadline and as the last few years the trade deadline will be another dud.
NJDevs26
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Of course they haven’t been blown out in games, they’ve been losing to mostly bad teams and had goaltending in quite a few of those games that prevented it!
I’m not presupposing they stay in this slump, I’m saying it’s pretty damn important they get out of this before concern over missing the playoffs or this team not being as good as it’s first half rises out of the level of ‘doomerism’
Brooklyndevil
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The thing with Bratt is when he’s on he’s great, but when he’s not you don’t notice him one bit.
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