RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 3

[ijuka]

If Kakko has a great shot including a one-timer and is eager to use it then how is he like Peter Forsberg? Forsberg never scored more than 30 goals in a season.

Playstyle.

Of course, he could be a Forsberg with a better shot. Not exactly a negative.

 

[Goulet17]

I think that makes sense. He essentially has to act as his own pancreas

A lot of 17 or 18 year olds could probably get away with some lax diets based on the extent of their rigorous training (although I think that has changed and evolved over the years), he can't get away with cutting any corners and has to take a very disciplined approach. As I mentioned, I kind of like the extra discipline that it would impose on him (may be a strange thing to say), although I am sure that he would rather not have to deal with it.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

If Kakko has a great shot including a one-timer and is eager to use it then how is he like Peter Forsberg? Forsberg never scored more than 30 goals in a season.

Lol, what kind of a comment is this? His style cant remind people of Forsberg because his shot is better?

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Lol, what kind of a comment is this? His style cant remind people of Forsberg because his shot is better?

It's a question, not a comment. Shot choice and selection are an important part of a playing style. Most of Forsberg's memorable plays are driving the net and deking or wristing it in. I didn't watch many Avalanche games back in the day but I can hardly ever remember him taking a one-timer or slapshot.

If you say Kakko plays like Forsberg but also has a tendency to shoot more, not just a better shot, then fine I understand. In that case I would think he'd be more valuable playing center.

edit: also if you were to say Forsberg but with a better shot, not quite as speedy but even stronger on the puck and skates and also a winger I'd think of Jagr instead.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

It's a question, not a comment. Shot choice and selection are an important part of a playing style. Most of Forsberg's memorable plays are driving the net and deking or wristing it in. I didn't watch many Avalanche games back in the day but I can hardly ever remember him taking a one-timer or slapshot.

If you say Kakko plays like Forsberg but also has a tendency to shoot more, not just a better shot, then fine I understand. In that case I would think he'd be more valuable playing center.

Oh, Kakko would prefer deking the puck in the net every single time if you asked him. Anyone here who's watched him can confirm.

 

[Hostile Offer]

It's a question, not a comment. Shot choice and selection are an important part of a playing style. Most of Forsberg's memorable plays are driving the net and deking or wristing it in. I didn't watch many Avalanche games back in the day but I can hardly ever remember him taking a one-timer or slapshot.

If you say Kakko plays like Forsberg but also has a tendency to shoot more, not just a better shot, then fine I understand. In that case I would think he'd be more valuable playing center.

edit: also if you were to say Forsberg but with a better shot, not quite as speedy but even stronger on the puck and skates and also a winger I'd think of Jagr instead.

Uh, most of Kakko's goals are exactly like the bolded.

 

[Mysteric1000]

Forsberg was my favorite player back in the days and as a 90's kid I watched him a lot when he toyed Finland in WC or NHLers in North America (Though samples of his NHL games were just few games, cuz there rly wasnt broadcasts or channels, either streams to watch his games).

Forsberg wasnt a shoot-first type of a player, cuz he culd create grade A chances to his teammates to finish those plays. If he shot nuff he culd've had 40-50 goals in a ssn. In a grab and clutch era tho he rarely played full ssns, cuz players were allowed to hang and slash opponents more than these days. I've even watched one documentary of him, where he spoke about his struggles on and off the ice.

I wuld say what separates him from Kakko atm is the fact that majority of his career he played C and was imo the best two-way forward when he played. He was a very definition of a complete and almost as perfect hockey player as there has ever been. His playstyle was unique for NHL style of game and rinks cuz he was exceptionally skilled and strong despite being the biggest guy on the ice.

Stylistically, I cant imagine any closer comparison for Kakko than Forsberg. Maybe if one wants to think he reminds of Jagr, its probably cuz of his ability to cover the puck along the boards with slick puckhandling skills, but Jagr had it w/ a lot greater reach and longer stick. Forsberg played w/ a short stick as Kakko has done so even that way he's closer to Forsberg than Jagr. Tho each of them have strong core and lower body strenght to keep the puck under control and being involved physically aswell.

 

[ijuka]

It's a question, not a comment. Shot choice and selection are an important part of a playing style. Most of Forsberg's memorable plays are driving the net and deking or wristing it in.

... But that's exactly what Kakko prefers to do. He can also shoot it, of course.

 

[FinnishSniper]

It's a question, not a comment. Shot choice and selection are an important part of a playing style. Most of Forsberg's memorable plays are driving the net and deking or wristing it in. I didn't watch many Avalanche games back in the day but I can hardly ever remember him taking a one-timer or slapshot.

If you say Kakko plays like Forsberg but also has a tendency to shoot more, not just a better shot, then fine I understand. In that case I would think he'd be more valuable playing center.

edit: also if you were to say Forsberg but with a better shot, not quite as speedy but even stronger on the puck and skates and also a winger I'd think of Jagr instead.

You really don’t know anything about Kakko do you? He scores most of his goals by driving the net, like Forsberg.

 

[FinnishSniper]

I think it’s hilarious seeing people from NA come and say that a person’s opinion is wrong about Kakko, when in fact they have no clue about the kid. Statwatchers statwatch I guess

 

[Lepardi]

It's better to play the U-18 WJC and then the Carlson Hockey Games game against Sweden because then the teams will be close to World Championship rosters with NHL players playing.

I completely agree on this but I'd also add that it's better to play at the U18s because he can help Finland win a gold medal there. The men's games against Sweden in late April would certainly be tougher than the U18 medal round games (if Finland gets that far) but there are no medals to play for in exhibition games.

 

[Jussi]

I completely agree on this but I'd also add that it's better to play at the U18s because he can help Finland win a gold medal there. The men's games against Sweden in late April would certainly be tougher than the U18 medal round games (if Finland gets that far) but there are no medals to play for in exhibition games.

Yes. But the rosters for the two Sweden games in late April are likely to be inferior to that on the Carlson Hockey Games so that's why I prefer the more higher pressure of potential medal round games at the U-18 WJC. Plus the potential head-to-head with Hughes.

 

[Daximus]

I don't see a Peter Forsberg comparison at all. Kakko doesn't seem to have the reckless abandon physical style that Foppa had. I also think Kakko is more of a scorer, Forsberg was typically more of a passer and two-way player. He only ever hit 30 goals twice in his career. Kakko is bigger and drives the net and scores more.

He is kind of a do it all sort of forward. Looks more comfortable on the wing but can play C in a pinch. Closest comparable I can think of is Patty Marleau. Good speed, good stickhandling, drive the net, create chances, big and can play physical but aren't the in your face physical types.

 

[FinnishSniper]

I don't see a Peter Forsberg comparison at all. Kakko doesn't seem to have the reckless abandon physical style that Foppa had. I also think Kakko is more of a scorer, Forsberg was typically more of a passer and two-way player. He only ever hit 30 goals twice in his career. Kakko is bigger and drives the net and scores more.

He is kind of a do it all sort of forward. Looks more comfortable on the wing but can play C in a pinch. Closest comparable I can think of is Patty Marleau. Good speed, good stickhandling, drive the net, create chances, big and can play physical but aren't the in your face physical types.

Kakko is actually a pass first player, he tried to pretty much pass the puck into the net at the start of the season.

Foppa is the closest comparision to Kakko, there hasn’t been another top prospect like this after Forsberg

 

[Daximus]

Kakko is actually a pass first player, he tried to pretty much pass the puck into the net at the start of the season.

Foppa is the closest comparision to Kakko, there hasn’t been another top prospect like this after Forsberg

I just don't see it. Kakko is a scorer first and foremost. That doesn't mean he can't set up plays but he doesn't come close to Forsbergs level of passing ability. Not even in the same stratosphere. Forsberg was also among the toughest players of his generation, he played with complete reckless abandon which is why he was so often injured. I don't see that in Kakko at all. I watched Forsbergs entire career and there isn't a single aspect of it that is really comparable to the way Kakko plays. I said it when everyone compared Matthews to Forsberg too. He is who all the big top forwards get compared to today but the truth is no one has come close.

 

[FinnishSniper]

I just don't see it. Kakko is a scorer first and foremost. That doesn't mean he can't set up plays but he doesn't come close to Forsbergs level of passing ability. Not even in the same stratosphere. Forsberg was also among the toughest players of his generation, he played with complete reckless abandon which is why he was so often injured. I don't see that in Kakko at all. I watched Forsbergs entire career and there isn't a single aspect of it that is really comparable to the way Kakko plays. I said it when everyone compared Matthews to Forsberg too. He is who all the big top forwards get compared to today but the truth is no one has come close.

Kakko has that mean side trust me you’ll see. I really don’t think that Foppa had that in him at 18 years old. Kakko is also a pass first player

 

[Daximus]

Kakko has that mean side trust me you’ll see. I really don’t think that Foppa had that in him at 18 years old. Kakko is also a pass first player

Not even close to Forsbergs. I question whether a lot of people here even watched Forsberg with how much his name gets thrown around recently to compare him to every other kid that comes through the draft. Were talking about the guy that Kronwalled Kronwall. The guy that would throw up arms and elbows whenever people would try to hit him, the guy that was the king of the reverse hit. he guy that Don Cherry called a backstabbing little weasel. Forsberg dominated an era where clutching and grabbing was at an all time high by just being purely stronger then everyone else. Trust me Kakko doesn't have that.

 

[ijuka]

I don't see a Peter Forsberg comparison at all. Kakko doesn't seem to have the reckless abandon physical style that Foppa had. I also think Kakko is more of a scorer, Forsberg was typically more of a passer and two-way player. He only ever hit 30 goals twice in his career. Kakko is bigger and drives the net and scores more.

He is kind of a do it all sort of forward. Looks more comfortable on the wing but can play C in a pinch. Closest comparable I can think of is Patty Marleau. Good speed, good stickhandling, drive the net, create chances, big and can play physical but aren't the in your face physical types.

Patrick Marleau plays nothing like Kakko. Honestly, it's a dreadfully poor comparable.

Kakko does have a "reckless abandon"-physical style, as much as anyone I've seen at his age having(How was Forsberg at 18?). Also, Kakko's been a pass-first player to a fault. Him adapting to shooting much more since ~December doesn't mean he suddenly is a never-pass player.

There only are so many Forsbergs in the world, and Kakko shooting more doesn't make him a Sakic instead. Forsberg's the player I'm reminded of by watching Kakko play the most by far.

 

[ijuka]

Not even close to Forsbergs. I question whether a lot of people here even watched Forsberg with how much his name gets thrown around recently to compare him to every other kid that comes through the draft. Were talking about the guy that Kronwalled Kronwall. The guy that would throw up arms and elbows whenever people would try to hit him, the guy that was the king of the reverse hit. he guy that Don Cherry called a backstabbing little weasel. Forsberg dominated an era where clutching and grabbing was at an all time high by just being purely stronger then everyone else. Trust me Kakko doesn't have that.

This is one of the primary reasons Kakko's compared to Forsberg, you know. How much have you been watching him?

 

[Daximus]

This is one of the primary reasons Kakko's compared to Forsberg, you know. How much have you been watching him?

A tonne he doesn't even come close. Forsberg probably had more penalty minutes in a period then Kakko has had in a season. And that was during an era when you could get away with a hell of a lot more. He's not even close.

 

[Daximus]

Patrick Marleau plays nothing like Kakko. Honestly, it's a dreadfully poor comparable.

Kakko does have a "reckless abandon"-physical style, as much as anyone I've seen at his age having(How was Forsberg at 18?). Also, Kakko's been a pass-first player to a fault. Him adapting to shooting much more since ~December doesn't mean he suddenly is a never-pass player.

There only are so many Forsbergs in the world, and Kakko shooting more doesn't make him a Sakic instead. Forsberg's the player I'm reminded of by watching Kakko play the most by far.

Forsberg at 18 was still a monster, way moreso than Kakko. And as time progressed became even more of a beast. He was top 5 in PIM in his D+1, led the SHL in PIM in his D+2. Kakko doesn't even sniff his jockstrap in terms of physicality.

The same shit came up when Matthews was compared to Forsberg. They aren't even close.

 

[ijuka]

A tonne he doesn't even come close. Forsberg probably had more penalty minutes in a period then Kakko has had in a season. And that was during an era when you could get away with a hell of a lot more. He's not even close.

... Penalty minutes? This is the hill you'll choose?

Alright, Kakko won't have as many penalty minutes. I don't think penalty minutes define Peter Forsberg as a player. I think it's puck protection, physicality, skill.

Forsberg at 18 was still a monster, way moreso than Kakko. And as time progressed became even more of a beast. He was top 5 in PIM in his D+1, led the SHL in PIM in his D+2. Kakko doesn't even sniff his jockstrap in terms of physicality.

The same **** came up when Matthews was compared to Forsberg. They aren't even close.

PIM isn't the same thing as physicality.

And please don't compare Matthews's physicality to Kakko's, yikes.

 

[Daximus]

... Penalty minutes? This is the hill you'll choose?

Alright, Kakko won't have as many penalty minutes. I don't think penalty minutes define Peter Forsberg as a player. I think it's puck protection, physicality, skill.

He got penalties because of his reckless abandon. I question whether you even watched Forsberg play or whether, just like the Matthews fanboys, you just choose one of the best players of the previous generation and try and run with it. It's a joke of a comparison. He's a hell of a lot closer to a Marleau then he is to a Forsberg. Has he even ever been in a fight? I've never seen him come close to Forsbergs level of pure "I don't give a f*** about your wellbeing I'm going to get this puck to that net and there is not a damn thing you can do about it."

 

[ijuka]

He got penalties because of his reckless abandon. I question whether you even watched Forsberg play or whether, just like the Matthews fanboys, you just choose one of the best players of the previous generation and try and run with it. It's a joke of a comparison. He's a hell of a lot closer to a Marleau then he is to a Forsberg. Has he even ever been in a fight?

Do you know about Liiga's policy when it comes to fighting, for the record?

 

[Daximus]

Do you know about Liiga's policy when it comes to fighting, for the record?

I just mean in general. Forsberg would probably beat up your grandmother if it meant he could have a scoring chance. Very few players if any come close to that level of intensity. But liek the Matthews fan boys.. "he scores by driving the net and in tight." Tonnes of guys do that, no one matches the way Forsberg could do it. Forsberg was also one of the greatest playmakers of his generation. Kakko doesn't come close there either.