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RW Jesse Puljujarvi - Bakersfield Condors, AHL (2016, 4th, EDM)

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All this talk about IQ and great showings although no points is the case most nights.
He doesn't have what it takes now, let him try to break through slowly.
At the moment it just looks like another Finn struggling to get their shit together. His numbers in AHL aren't the best either. NHL players with the emphasis on NHL usually show that they're NHL caliber early enough.

But maybe it's too early to say this, maybe it's the coach, maybe it's the organization, maybe it's his skates...

I am aware that the standards have risen towards NHL rookies for some reason, but there's a certain timeframe where real progress has to be visibly shown for the player to become an NHL star.

(Didn't want to say regular, because becoming an NHL regular isn't that hard. Cody f***ing McLeod had a job on the Preds for last year and this year despite not showing anything good towards the ice, only took penalties and lost the puck when confronted)
 
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Add in that the school system in Finland is one of the best in he world. So not being "the best" doesn't say much.
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If you're not good at basic school (7-16 years old) it really does say something. I don't know if that's the case but Puljujärvi didn't even go to the next level, high school or vocational school. If he only has the basic school based in his mind, he could really be dumb as a rock. People who get failed grades in the later (grade 8-9) grades of basic school here should be considered somehow idiotic because the tests aren't that hard.
You can literally pass if you don't know anything about the subject at hand and only try to answer by your common sense.

Some people I guess are 'intelligent' in their own way, but if you're not good at basic subjects at a Finnish highschool, you're really uncultured and or have no common sense. And let me be clear, my post here is only to disprove the fact that if you are not good at school in Finland, it certainly doesn't mean that you are good by any standard.
 
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JustaFinnishGuy said:
If you're not good at basic school (7-16 years old) it really does say something. I don't know if that's the case but Puljujärvi didn't even go to the next level, high school or vocational school. If he only has the basic school based in his mind, he could really be dumb as a rock. People who get failed grades in the later (grade 8-9) grades of basic school here should be considered somehow idiotic because the tests aren't that hard.
You can literally pass if you don't know anything about the subject at hand and only try to answer by your common sense.

Some people I guess are 'intelligent' in their own way, but if you're not good at basic subjects at a Finnish highschool, you're really uncultured and or have no common sense.
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Again, as a yläkoulu and lukio (high school) teacher, I must disagree. Most bad grades result from not putting any work into studies, not from a lack of intelligence or common sense.
 
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HockeyHistorian said:
Again, as a yläkoulu and lukio (high school) teacher, I must disagree. Most bad grades result from not putting any work into studies, not from a lack of intelligence or common sense.
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I disagree. Putting work into studies is the best way of measuring intelligence at the current moment. That what you study will also actually be useful to you whether you become a car salesman or a CEO of a company. If you do not have the willpower to sit and read a book for half an hour for a subject, will you really have any use at a job?

If you have no good basis for learning generally, it means that you as a person cannot adapt, it also means that it's way harder to switch jobs etc. Hmm, where is this skill mostly learned at? School.
 
JustaFinnishGuy said:
I disagree. Putting work into studies is the best way of measuring intelligence at the current moment. That what you study will also actually be useful to you whether you become a car salesman or a CEO of a company. If you do not have the willpower to sit and read a book for half an hour for a subject, will you really have any use at a job?

If you have no good basis for learning generally, it means that you as a person cannot adapt, it also means that it's way harder to switch jobs etc. Hmm, where is this skill mostly learned at? School.
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Pulju most likely put all his energy into hockey and now he is on his way to becoming a millionaire. Graduating from yläkoulu with a 10 grade average (the highest) means nothing if you're not going to go to a fancy elite lukio.

I'd say that Pulju has shown originality and worked his ass off and now he makes a lot more money than most likely any of us. Not that making a lot of money is my favorite way of measuring success in life. The most impressive thing is that you can support yourself doing the thing you love and he has already reached that point in his life. Not many of us ever amount to that either.

Obviously he could have spared a little more time to his English studies, but he is hardly a failure. And it's not like hockey players are known for their academic success. Finnish hockey players more often than not are very uncultured and uncivilized people, but that's understandable since their lives have revolved around hockey from such a young age.
 
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I always got high grades in English throughout my school years, but until the second grade of upper secondary my spoken English and listening comprehension were actually pretty bad. I probably had a larger vocabulary, but if I was placed in an interview like Pulju, I would have sounded pretty much the same.
 
this thread has turned weird ... ill have to keep in mind to skip over page 15 in this thread when wanting to read about his play once he gets playing again haha
 
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This reminds me of the "Malkin has thick bones" discussion. When he was a prospect there were seriously posters on this forum claiming in all earnestness that he would struggle in the NHL because he was physically too weak to compete, despite an average NHL weight. You see, he had no muscles or fat. He was all bones. Dense, heavy, thick, bones.

Jesse Puljujarvi has no hockey sense because he got bad grades in school. Yep. It checks out. Crack detective work guys!
 
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This reminds me of the "Malkin has thick bones" discussion. When he was a prospect there were seriously posters on this forum claiming in all earnestness that he would struggle in the NHL because he was physically too weak to compete, despite an average NHL weight. You see, he had no muscles or fat. He was all bones. Dense, heavy, thick, bones.

Jesse Puljujarvi has no hockey sense because he got bad grades in school. Yep. It checks out. Crack detective work guys!
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Agreed it's silly discussion, hockey sense and school grades don't correlate. Jim Korn was bright enough to go to school to be a Lawyer in his day as a player, but he had the hockey IQ of a gnat. One has nothing to do with the other. We should stick with the hockey analysis here.
 
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Einstein is notorious archetype of hyper intelligent genius despite having extraordinarily small brain mass. He managed figure out some simple things like the theory of general relativity and such, but his Hockey IQ was probably abysmally subpar. General relativity strongly indicates that Albert's hockey IQ is lot worse then Puljujärvi's, even considering Albert's better skill in English linguistics as a handicap for his benefits in this comparison.

With all relativistic probability, Pulju's hockey IQ wouldn't be better after spending years with academic studies in theoretic physics and advanced mathematics. Neither Pulju's deficiencies in English linquistics can have any real impact to his ability to understand the higher logic of hockey, nor on-ice command-tongue of intra-team communication, thought I think there wouldn't such difficulties to Einstein either. :sarcasm:
 
This is pretty off topic, but i'm worried that there is still people who thinks it is nurture and not nature(genetics) that plays the major role in iq. It seems there cant be enough twin studies and genetic research to make their heads turn. Same with climate change deniers I guess
 
We should just be signing all the free agents coming out of Harvard and Yale. We'd be unstoppable with all those high IQ's!
 
Can't believe how low his hockey IQ considering the massive helmet he wears.
 
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Sorry to interrupt the deep and intelligent discussion :popcorn:, but does anybody know if it true that Pulju is benched tonight and whether McLellan has commented on it?
 
It's a tough spot.

Edmonton is/has been a mess this season, their bottom6 has been abysmal, it's no place for 19y raw prospect to develop properly, they are chasing the game too much, he's not even getting pp time.
Top6 in the NHL is where Pulju could/should develop but that's not happening.

So that leaves AHL with 1st line minutes, but how would Pulju react if he gets sent down over abysmal AHL level vets?
Not a huge fan of the situation.

No one should expect a raw kid to be a savior nor him to do something in the bottom6. He's not ready for that.
 
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McLellan had to get his pet Pakarinen into the lineup in what will hopefully be his last game as head coach.
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IMO, McLellan wont be getting fired.. Oilers have gone through so many coaches in the past decade (7 different ones i believe)... Obviously there is something else wrong and coaches cant always be blamed for this team.

I really dont know whats going on though.. Last year i looked forward to watching this team play whenever it was televised... This season i am bored outta my mind after 5 mins and end up watching a Seinfeld or Friends rerun instead
 
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IMO, McLellan wont be getting fired.. Oilers have gone through so many coaches in the past decade (7 different ones i believe)... Obviously there is something else wrong and coaches cant always be blamed for this team.
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Past coaching changes shouldn't mean anything this time, imo. Chiarelli gets the most blame but McLellan has done a piss poor job this year and should be gone any day now. Demoting Puljujarvi for no reason and then scratching him for Pakarinen is another strike.
 
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Why criticize the scratch when you don't know the reasons behind it? He could be scratched for breaking team rules or other off-ice reason and you would never know.

My view about the whole hockey IQ thing is that I don't think a person who has a low IQ (as demonstrated by his language skills coming from a Finnish school system) can have a high hockey IQ. It really is the reason why he wasn't picked by CBJ. Other teams probably gave him a pass on his combine interviews because they though it was just language barrier, but Siren and Kekäläinen were able to interview him in his native language and it was probably apparent to them that he's a regular Forrest Gump.
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:DD Seriously people something is terribly wrong here... Well haters gonna hate apparently, the trick to deal with haters is... Don't deal with them at all. I will leave you be
 
Is it a common opinion on HFBoards that if a 1st rounder doesn't become nhl regular fast, he has a low hockey IQ? Or just Puljujarvi? Others that don't play yet in the NHL has something else holding them back besides below average hockey IQ?
 

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