RW Jesse Puljujärvi - Karpat, FEL (2016 Draft)

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Before someone wants to write off Puljujärvi and denounce him hockey IQ-challenged, I might as well remind some of ye good folk that Puljujärvi is, at this moment, a top-5 pick on every draft ranking/list out there. They are written by scouts that have seen the same games as you people have, except, unlike you, they are professionals in assessing the potential of young hockey players.

Therefore, I think it's very premature to talk about "all the tools but no toolbox" when it comes to Puljujärvi. Also very premature to talk about him slipping to a late 1st....
 
Again with the lack of "hockey IQ" for Puljujärvi. I don't understand where this meme originated from or how it persists. Up until this particular junction in space-time he's been touted as a prospect with exceptional "hockey IQ" from what I've witnessed, even at the end of last season. What exactly has changed in him to produce this kind of impression? If it was a change over a longer period of time I could perhaps understand it better, but this is almost like flicking a light switch. Would he have better "hockey IQ" if he had scored a couple more points?
 
I think we're starting to see some flashes. He's maybe not as dominating as Laine with the puck but he's actually playing very solid right now. He does smart things with the puck, he seems stronger and he's getting scoring chances with increasing rate. He can move the puck quickly in tight spaces and he's playing great defensively. I don't think a single goal has been scored against his team when he's been on the ice. Huml and Niemi were horrible fit for him but on 2nd line he's been better.

Kärpät play such slow hockey always passing the puck back to their zone and making the slow breakout. He needs the puck moved more quickly so he wouldn't have to circle back to his own zone all the time. Playing style wise the current system is not the best for him but he's getting there.
 
To me the problem here is that he doesnt get the puck on full speed almost never. In kärpät's system they pass the puck on their zone then go slow when the opposition has a trap there and they just dump the puck. Laine gets the puck in to the offensive zone with force and they strike more quickly.
 
Again with the lack of "hockey IQ" for Puljujärvi. I don't understand where this meme originated from or how it persists. Up until this particular junction in space-time he's been touted as a prospect with exceptional "hockey IQ" from what I've witnessed, even at the end of last season. What exactly has changed in him to produce this kind of impression? If it was a change over a longer period of time I could perhaps understand it better, but this is almost like flicking a light switch. Would he have better "hockey IQ" if he had scored a couple more points?

Hell, even Göran Stubb from ISS said recently that Puljujärvi has a good hockey IQ.
 
Hell, even Göran Stubb from ISS said recently that Puljujärvi has a good hockey IQ.

Göran stubb is biased. Before Kapanen's draft he said he is the best european and he went 22. and Nylander 8.
 
Göran stubb is biased. Before Kapanen's draft he said he is the best european and he went 22. and Nylander 8.

Yet his opinion is 100 times more relevant than yours or Loffer's who are the ones shipping this false notion.
 
Kärpät has been slow to start this season and their play has been quite sloppy overall, I'd say it's a pretty good example of double championship hangover. Losing Donskoi and Kemppainen hurt them much worse than I expected and their final line mate Junttila has been trying to fit in a new spot, but so far it's been nothing like last season. I'm sure they'll start to rev up their engines as the new lines get some chemistry, for now the general confusion makes the team weaker and it has an effect on how much Puljujärvi can do as well. I'm still expecting him to rise up to the challenge like the other Kärpät kids, at least they now have a good chance to cement their position as key players.
 
Yet his opinion is 100 times more relevant than yours or Loffer's who are the ones shipping this false notion.

Exactly.

This is what he said about Puljujärvi in July:

http://www.mtv.fi/sport/jaakiekko/n...muavat-suomalaislupausta-torni-jaalla/5219640

– Puljujärvi on torni jäällä, mutta yllättävän hyvin liikkuva. Hänellä on mahtavat hyökkäysvaistot, mutta hän tuntee myös puolustusvelvoitteensa, Stubb kuvailee NHL.comille.

"Puljujärvi is a tower on the ice but surprisingly well moving. He's got awesome offensvie instincts but is also responsible defensively."
 
I only wish we could discuss Puljujärvi or Laine without constantly comparing them with each other. They are both great.
 
It's truly been a very disappointing start to the season for him. I've now watched 13 games of Puljujärvi this season, and paid close attention on every shift he's played. It's frustrating to watch him because he makes so many stupid mistakes in every game. If they kept statistics on giveaways in the SM-Liiga, Puljujärvi would top the table easily. And the puck is constantly bouncing when he has it. Still you can't really put a finger on what's wrong with him.

This is the kind of playing I expected to see a lot from him this season. This is what he's good at:



(3:15-->)

So far, we've seen nothing. He's trying, but it feels like he has left the handbrake on when every other top prospect has disappeared over the horizon. The potential is still there, no question about that, but he needs to figure himself out.
 
It's truly been a very disappointing start to the season for him. I've now watched 13 games of Puljujärvi this season, and paid close attention on every shift he's played. It's frustrating to watch him because he makes so many stupid mistakes in every game. If they kept statistics on giveaways in the SM-Liiga, Puljujärvi would top the table easily. And the puck is constantly bouncing when he has it. Still you can't really put a finger on what's wrong with him.

This is the kind of playing I expected to see a lot from him this season. This is what he's good at:

So you expect him to continually succeed at making highlight-reel plays that constitute a vanishingly small percentage of the goals scored in every single hockey league?

Also, taken on their own, giveaways are useless as a stat because they penalize players for handling the puck. You can't give the puck away if you never get it in the first place.
 
So you expect him to continually succeed at making highlight-reel plays that constitute a vanishingly small percentage of the goals scored in every single hockey league?

Also, taken on their own, giveaways are useless as a stat because they penalize players for handling the puck. You can't give the puck away if you never get it in the first place.

Okay, guys. The problem is just that this guy ain't no rocket scientist and you can tell it watching him.

And Laine simply performs on another level due to his superior cognitive percepual faculties on the ice.

Piece.
 
So you expect him to continually succeed at making highlight-reel plays that constitute a vanishingly small percentage of the goals scored in every single hockey league?

No.

But right now he won't end up on any highlight reel because in similar situations he always loses the puck (even when there is no pressure) or he doesn't even try to carry the puck but gives a three-feet pass to the nearest player.

Also, taken on their own, giveaways are useless as a stat because they penalize players for handling the puck. You can't give the puck away if you never get it in the first place.

Giveaways wouldn't be such a bad thing if he gave us some highlight stuff every once in a while, but right now it's all bad plays and not a single good play. And that's frustrating. People think nowadays that he's supposed to be some kind of all-around player but that kind of plays that I linked made him a 1# overall consideration in the first place. And at the moment he's not playing his game. Maybe he's trying too much to please coach Marjamäki who has his own complex tactics.
 
What comes to this whole "tools and toolbox" thing (birds and bees aside), I think it could refer not to the hockey IQ, which stands for a player's overall awareness to the things going on around him and the skill required to do the right things - but a player's self-awareness of his own capabilities.

Therefore, even a scrub can have the "toolbox" so to speak, if he knows what he can do and what he can't. A grinder who knows he's a grinder plays to his strengths and tries not to be a scorer. It's a thing related to being a mature player compared to one still in development.

Puljujärvi is physically very impressive player, but obviously does not have a full command of his skills and sometimes displays overconfidence in those that are not fully there yet. This tends to lead to easy-to-read solutions and obvious blunders on ice. Laine appears more aware as to what his strengths and weaknesses are, and knows how to use the former and downplay the latter.
 
Okay, guys. The problem is just that this guy ain't no rocket scientist and you can tell it watching him.

And Laine simply performs on another level due to his superior cognitive percepual faculties on the ice.

Piece.

My post wasn't about Laine's hockey IQ, which is reportedly excellent. It was about what constitutes realistic expectations for a player, any player. We remember those sorts of plays precisely because they're so rare. It simply isn't realistic for any hockey player, even Sidney Crosby, to execute those plays day in and day out. Luckily, we don't need them to, because hockey is ultimately a game of percentages and players that maximize their chances generally do well in the long-run.

For those in this thread who have already written off Puljujarvi, may I suggest that it's probably time we did a post-mortem.

Namely, how was it that Jesse Puljujarvi managed to fool his junior, national, Mestis and Liiga coaches into giving him icetime, coveted national junior team spots, and continual promotions to higher levels? How was he able to fool the scouts that Bob McKenzie surveys into voting him the second-best prospect for this upcoming draft? How did he fool NHL veteran Ray Ferraro into singing his praises at last year's world juniors? He's managed to do all of this despite having crappy hockey sense(a criticism that I had literally never heard about him until less than a month ago-and I've followed Puljujarvi's progress on these boards since he first played in the C-juniors)

I'm willing to entertain any and all options. Was it his obvious physical gifts? His natural athleticism? Did he benefit from having excellent linemates throughout his junior career (generally Aho and Kalapudas)?

If Puljujarvi runs up against his cognitive ceiling when playing against men and that proves to be the limiting factor in his success as a professional hockey player, I can accept that. It happens to a lot of players, maybe even the majority of them. It just seems to me as though we should be able to construct a plausible explanation for the fact that nobody noticed this until now (including people whose job is to notice these things). It's not as though Puljujarvi came out of nowhere. He's the most heavily hyped Finn (at least pre-draft) in what, the last decade?

Or was it all just a big mirage, viewed through the rose-coloured glasses of legions of Finns desperate for their national team's saviour? He was never that good, and if we go back to watch those past games, it will be plainly obvious. Some combination of the above?

Note: Any responses should not contain the words Laine, Matthews, Chychrun, first round etc. This is about Puljujarvi in isolation.
 
Giveaways wouldn't be such a bad thing if he gave us some highlight stuff every once in a while, but right now it's all bad plays and not a single good play. And that's frustrating. People think nowadays that he's supposed to be some kind of all-around player but that kind of plays that I linked made him a 1# overall consideration in the first place

If it was those kind of plays that put him in consideration for 1OA and nothing else, then he should never have been in consideration. Players don't get to be first overall because of those plays. They get to be first overall by playing consistently at a high level. Every once in a while they pull off something like that and it gets shown on SportsCentre and gets a bunch of youtube viewings and people remember it. But that does not make a first overall.
 
For those in this thread who have already written off Puljujarvi, may I suggest that it's probably time we did a post-mortem.
I think it's less about writing off Puljujärvi and more about realizing he's not necessarily as complete a package yet as many seem to think he is. But that does not mean he can't get there - matter of fact, I think him getting there is a foregone conclusion. But as of right now, he may not be someone who's going to make the jump from the boot. Impatience is bit of a factor here, because people want to see the player who's gonna replace Selänne sooner rather than later, so any setback is taken in with a massive disappointment.

A good post, btw. Some of us Finns... are like that.

He's the most heavily hyped Finn (at least pre-draft) in what, the last decade?
*cough*Barkov*cough*
 
My post wasn't about Laine's hockey IQ, which is reportedly excellent. It was about what constitutes realistic expectations for a player, any player. We remember those sorts of plays precisely because they're so rare. It simply isn't realistic for any hockey player, even Sidney Crosby, to execute those plays day in and day out. Luckily, we don't need them to, because hockey is ultimately a game of percentages and players that maximize their chances generally do well in the long-run.

For those in this thread who have already written off Puljujarvi, may I suggest that it's probably time we did a post-mortem.

Namely, how was it that Jesse Puljujarvi managed to fool his junior, national, Mestis and Liiga coaches into giving him icetime, coveted national junior team spots, and continual promotions to higher levels? How was he able to fool the scouts that Bob McKenzie surveys into voting him the second-best prospect for this upcoming draft? How did he fool NHL veteran Ray Ferraro into singing his praises at last year's world juniors? He's managed to do all of this despite having crappy hockey sense(a criticism that I had literally never heard about him until less than a month ago-and I've followed Puljujarvi's progress on these boards since he first played in the C-juniors)

I'm willing to entertain any and all options. Was it his obvious physical gifts? His natural athleticism? Did he benefit from having excellent linemates throughout his junior career (generally Aho and Kalapudas)?

If Puljujarvi runs up against his cognitive ceiling when playing against men and that proves to be the limiting factor in his success as a professional hockey player, I can accept that. It happens to a lot of players, maybe even the majority of them. It just seems to me as though we should be able to construct a plausible explanation for the fact that nobody noticed this until now (including people whose job is to notice these things). It's not as though Puljujarvi came out of nowhere. He's the most heavily hyped Finn (at least pre-draft) in what, the last decade?

Or was it all just a big mirage, viewed through the rose-coloured glasses of legions of Finns desperate for their national team's saviour? He was never that good, and if we go back to watch those past games, it will be plainly obvious. Some combination of the above?

Note: Any responses should not contain the words Laine, Matthews, Chychrun, first round etc. This is about Puljujarvi in isolation.

So you'll assume Puljujärvi will fall later 1st rounder, or maybe even 2nd rounder.
And he's going to bust, am i right?.

May i remind you, Puljujärvi was MVP ( best player) in 2013 Pohjola camp.
Wether him ever chosen for to get that honour, if he would be a bust as you think.

No i don't think so.

Also you should know that, all prospects won't develop same way than their peers.
Every prospect has good and bad games, and that belongs to hockey.

And only what you can do about that, is deal with it.
I know it would be cool to see Jesse in OHL/WHL/QMJHL, and get developed there.

But that's not possible right now.

Puljujärvi wanted to stay in Oulu, he could have go to CHL but he decided respect his 3 yrs pro contract with Kärpät.
Was it right decision we'll know that after this season.
 
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So you'll assume Puljujärvi will fall later 1st rounder, or maybe even 2nd rounder.
And he's going to bust, am i right?.

May i remind you, Puljujärvi was MVP ( best player) in 2013 Pohjola camp.
Wether him ever chosen for, if he would be a bust as you think.

No i don't think so.

Also you should know that, all prospects won't develop same way than their peers.
Every prospect has good and bad games, and that belongs to hockey.

And only what you can do about that, is deal with it.
I know it would be cool to see Jesse in OHL/WHL/QMJHL, and get developed there.

But that's not possible right now.

Puljujärvi wanted to stay in Oulu, he could have go to CHL but he decided respect his 3 yrs pro contract with Kärpät.
Was it right decision we'll know that after this season.

You really need to work on your reading skills buddy
 
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