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RW Jesse Puljujärvi - Karpat, FEL (2016 Draft)

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The thought of adding a prospect like this to Marner, Nylander excites me, not to mention we already have a top young D is Rielly
 
It might be about Kärpät's play, but to me Puljujärvi's game looks pretty meh even if I compare him to Rantanen last fall. I'm not trying to hate anyone or pump anyone's tires, but more has to be expected from JP if he wants to be even the second best Finn in this draft. And if he wants to become more than a seanbergenheim 2.0. Yes he did score today, but he didn't produce anything else. If he wants to be a top 5 guy, he has to bring extra every night. Well, not every night, but at least more often than not.
 
Finnish Tank Support said:
It might be about Kärpät's play, but to me Puljujärvi's game looks pretty meh even if I compare him to Rantanen last fall. I'm not trying to hate anyone or pump anyone's tires, but more has to be expected from JP if he wants to be even the second best Finn in this draft. And if he wants to become more than a seanbergenheim 2.0. Yes he did score today, but he didn't produce anything else. If he wants to be a top 5 guy, he has to bring extra every night. Well, not every night, but at least more often than not.
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Well would anyone say Laine is ahead of him now, or is it too early to tell?
 
Laine is clearly ahed of him at this point. But its too early to tell how it looks like at the end of the season.
 
Fonzieleaf said:
Well would anyone say Laine is ahead of him now, or is it too early to tell?
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Maybe for some who realize how different the game in the NHL is. Right now Matthews and Puljujarvi look like players who don't have any weaknesses but Laine's bad skating is and will be a very big weakness. Before he can fix that he won't be in the top3 talks.
 
I think Puljujärvi has best tools overall from this draft group to be successful in the NHL. He may be in a bit of a slump right now, but look at him shine in the upcoming WJC.
 
Fonzieleaf said:
Well would anyone say Laine is ahead of him now, or is it too early to tell?
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Laine really is ahead at this point. Laine has always have higher ceiling than Puljujärvi imo. Puljujärvi is better skater and was more mature overall last year, when Laine had problems with skating and this Hlinka tournament thing etc. so Puljujärvi looked much safer bet last year. Laine's skating looks good now, he's not very agile, but when he gets the speed going, he's really fast. Laine is towering forward with absolute great shot, offensive instincts and hungry to score. It's also really impressive how much Laine has developed. Puljujärvi is having a slump right now, however he'll be great pick. But imo Laine is that kind of a guy you need to draft high. Puljujärvi -type players you can more easily find in later rounds.
 
2 points in his 2 last games isn't slumping. He is on streak tbh. I agree that Puljujärvi has best tools of every prospect at this draft but it seems that he has hard times to get it together excluding some flashes at times. Laine to me is ahead him by decent margin right now.
 
Coedae said:
Laine really is ahead at this point. Laine has always have higher ceiling than Puljujärvi imo. Puljujärvi is better skater and was more mature overall last year, when Laine had problems with skating and this Hlinka tournament thing etc. so Puljujärvi looked much safer bet last year. Laine's skating looks good now, he's not very agile, but when he gets the speed going, he's really fast. Laine is towering forward with absolute great shot, offensive instincts and hungry to score. It's also really impressive how much Laine has developed. Puljujärvi is having a slump right now, however he'll be great pick. But imo Laine is that kind of a guy you need to draft high. Puljujärvi -type players you can more easily find in later rounds.
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Laine's top speed is average not great and it doesn't even matter because you rarely have time in the NHL to build up your speed circling around your zone like Laine always do when generating speed. His agility, edge work and acceleration is bad and that's what is the most important apect.
 
thomast said:
2 points in his 2 last games isn't slumping. He is on streak tbh.
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Yeah but you have to look behind the scoreboard. While Laine has been Tappara's best forward in many games, Puljujärvi seems like playing decent overall but not really getting anything going. Laine has made tons of changes by himself. Not saying Puljujärvi has been bad or anything, but Laine just has been so great that it's seems Puljujärvi is slumping. And got to say, Puljujärvi now has 12 (?) games this season and 2+2=4 points. Last years 21 games 4+7=11 points looks great and I expected maybe too much. Laine 11 games and 5+4=9 points this year. Basically Puljujärvi needs to get going soon and I really hope he will.
 
Tuomaz said:
Laine's top speed is average not great and it doesn't even matter because you rarely have time in the NHL to build up your speed circling around your zone like Laine always do when generating speed. His agility, edge work and acceleration is bad and that's what is the most important apect.
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So if he improved his skating so much this summer, why you think that this is the level Laine will stay? I'm sure that his skating is going to be better and better. Skating won't never be one of his strenghts, but I'm sure it won't be a problem either. If Puljujärvi plays whole year at this level he is playing right now and same thing with Laine, I'm really shocked if Puljujärvi gets picked higher.
 
Tuomaz said:
Laine's top speed is average not great and it doesn't even matter because you rarely have time in the NHL to build up your speed circling around your zone like Laine always do when generating speed. His agility, edge work and acceleration is bad and that's what is the most important apect.
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Wait, is this Mikko Rantanen of 13-14 season you're talking about? Oh wait, did they train together last summer? What do they call Rantanen today, "Hot wheels" was it? Oh, and mind you, on Liiga standards Laine's top speed is over average. IMO he's not that far behind JP as some say.

But I do have to say Laine's hype train has gone out of hand. I mean, not everything he does is super special like some Finns are screaming through their hype-glasses.
 
There' s no reason to argue when you can sum it neatly:

1) Laine has all the tools NEEDED and the toolbox.
2) Pulju has ALL the tools but NO toolbox.
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Laine will go higher, in the top-3; Pulju will have to settle for the late 1st.
 
Loffer said:
There' s no reason to argue when you can sum it neatly:

1) Laine has all the tools NEEDED and the toolbox.
2) Pulju has ALL the tools but NO toolbox.
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Laine will go higher, in the top-3; Pulju will have to settle for the late 1st.
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There's a reason to argue when you sum it up inaccurately. It sounds nice rhetorically to put it that way; but in reality you cant simplify those two players like that
 
How do you translate tools and toolbox for the hockey-jargon challenged people?
 
Loffer said:
There' s no reason to argue when you can sum it neatly:

1) Laine has all the tools NEEDED and the toolbox.
2) Pulju has ALL the tools but NO toolbox.
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Laine will go higher, in the top-3; Pulju will have to settle for the late 1st.
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Nope. :facepalm:
 
Loffer said:
There' s no reason to argue when you can sum it neatly:

1) Laine has all the tools NEEDED and the toolbox.
2) Pulju has ALL the tools but NO toolbox.

// followed by people not being able to interpret this
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I'll try my best to analyze this. What he's saying is that both Laine and Pulju want to fix a sink (preferably the sink of someone's mom dressed in a bathrobe, just to make this sound like a porno). Pulju is carrying the entire tool department of the hardware store with him, while Laine has all the tools necessary for sink-fixing handily in a toolbox. So while Pulju is still going through his pile wondering which tool to use, Laine has already fixed that sink with his more limited but already assembled toolset.
 
Teukka said:
I'll try my best to analyze this. What he's saying is that both Laine and Pulju want to fix a sink (preferably the sink of someone's mom dressed in a bathrobe, just to make this sound like a porno). Pulju is carrying the entire tool department of the hardware store with him, while Laine has all the tools necessary for sink-fixing handily in a toolbox. So while Pulju is still going through his pile wondering which tool to use, Laine has already fixed that sink with his more limited but already assembled toolset.
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This only makes the analogy sound more bizarre.
 
I've understood the lack of toolbox as lack of hockey IQ. You can have all these physical and technical abilities, but you need the IQ to use them well.
 

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