RW/C Vitalii Abramov - CSKA Moscow, KHL (2016, 65th, CBJ; traded to OTT)

[ValeriKamensky]

No, it's not. He showed nothing at Superseries. He may be quite good and even great in Q but it is not enough to make national team.

National Team scored two goals in regulation time in 2 games against SKA and Denmark. Realy great level, that Abramov cannot keep.

Same old problems. SS is just two games. Half of the season - it`s a half of the season. Russian coaches aren`t watching players in NA full time. No matter what a league - CHL, USHL, AHL or even NHL.

 

[kp61c]

National Team scored two goals in regulation time in 2 games against SKA and Denmark. Realy great level, that Abramov cannot keep.

Same old problems. SS is just two games. Half of the season - it`s a half of the season. Russian coaches aren`t watching players in NA full time. No matter what a league - CHL, USHL, AHL or even NHL.

i approve of it. one more reason to stay in russia.
anyway, small, not much progress in his development compared to the last year (should have stayed in russia) and showed nothing to bragin to deserve being on the team.

 

[Columbus Jack]

i approve of it. one more reason to stay in russia.
anyway, small, not much progress in his development compared to the last year (should have stayed in russia) and showed nothing to bragin to deserve being on the team.

Not much progress? He's top ten in scoring on one of the worst teams. If Bragin wont take him because he isnt playing in Russia, good, he wants to play in the NHL, thats why he is playing in NA. Russia can have their failed attempt at the WJC, the kid isnt 19 so clearly he couldnt help their starved offense...

 

[kp61c]

Not much progress? He's top ten in scoring on one of the worst teams. If Bragin wont take him because he isnt playing in Russia, good, he wants to play in the NHL, thats why he is playing in NA. Russia can have their failed attempt at the WJC, the kid isnt 19 so clearly he couldnt help their starved offense...

he had better stats in the chl last year and showed nothing when it mattered. looks like he started degrading in the chl already.

 

[MXD]

...So in other words, Abramov is bad because he isn't playing in Russia, because that's absolutely the prevailing criteria when evaluating if a player progresses or not.

Yeah.... Right.

 

[wings5]

he had better stats in the chl last year and showed nothing when it mattered. looks like he started degrading in the chl already.

He had more support last year and this year his team is much worse offensively. He's not Crosby or McDavid he can't turn low skill grinders into 30 goal scorers. Also the whole Russian team was bad against the Q.

 

[Jackets16]

he had better stats in the chl last year and showed nothing when it mattered. looks like he started degrading in the chl already.

2016-2017

32gp, 23g, 22a, 45pts

G/GM - 0.72
A/G - 0.69
PTS/GM - 1.41


2015-2016

63gp, 38g, 55a, 93pts

G/GM - 0.60
A/GM - 0.87
PTS/GM - 1.48

So, his G/GM are up and A/GM are down. I'd be interested in what Gatineau's G/GM were last year and are this year.

 

[Columbus Jack]

he had better stats in the chl last year and showed nothing when it mattered. looks like he started degrading in the chl already.

Degrading? Showed nothing? This is an absurd amount of hyperbole even for HFboards. Apparently the Subway Series means everything? A tournament that means literally nothing in the grand scheme of hings, he's playing well again this year, not sure all the hate.

 

[Eugene85]

he's playing well again this year, not sure all the hate.

That's how Abramov played in Q this year:
October - 15 points in 12 games
November - 15 points in 12 games
34 points in 30 games - not a great result for a guy playing second straight year in the same league in a post-Draft season.
In his first 4 december games he had 2 goals and 2 assists - nothing special.
Abramov started to pick up good points only in his last 3 games(11 points) and mostly because of one single game against Quebec(2 goals 6 assists).
+Abramov was invisible in SS
+He is small.

 

[Columbus Jack]

That's how Abramov played in Q this year:
October - 15 points in 12 games
November - 15 points in 12 games
34 points in 30 games - not a great result for a guy playing second straight year in the same league in a post-Draft season.
In his first 4 december games he had 2 goals and 2 assists - nothing special.
Abramov started to pick up good points only in his last 3 games(11 points) and mostly because of one single game against Quebec(2 goals 6 assists).
+Abramov was invisible in SS
+He is small.

Did you just complain that he was a point per game to start December? I think you are REALLY grasping at straws here. Being small is only a minus when you dont put up points (which he does). One tournament when the entire team was **** does not make him a bad player. Also, having slightly less points as opposed to his draft year doesnt mean hes regressing or getting better for that matter, there are loads of factors not being discussed here. Top 10 in scoring on a bad team is never anything to complain about. Ps: there are plenty of good players in the NhL that are small, see 5'6" Cam Atkinson.

 

[Zine]

We all know Abramov has talent, but after reading tigervixxxen's post (on the previous page) I can totally understand Bragin's omission of Abramov. I'm getting Vladimir Tkachyov vibes here.

Bragin puts a premium on talent, but he values character even more.

 

[Eugene85]

Being ppg in Q for a 18,5 year old 5'9(?) guy is not that bad but it is not something special. It's not something Bragin should beg Abramov to join the team for.

 

[kp61c]

Degrading? Showed nothing? This is an absurd amount of hyperbole even for HFboards. Apparently the Subway Series means everything? A tournament that means literally nothing in the grand scheme of hings, he's playing well again this year, not sure all the hate.

what hate? i simply stated that he shouldn't be on the team this year and bragin is right. no need to get your trousers in a twist

 

[Columbus Jack]

what hate? i simply stated that he shouldn't be on the team this year and bragin is right. no need to get your trousers in a twist

No trouser twisting here just responding to the extreme hyperbole you exault. Saying he "hasnt showed anything when it mattered" isnt merely saying he's not fit for the WJc team. He'll make the team next year, Bragin chooses 19yr olds because he thinks that will make his team win. Thats completely okay, I was defending the antics of he's on pace for 5 less points hes too small hyperbolic craziness as if you could determine a players fate at 18 yrs old.

We all know Abramov has talent, but after reading tigervixxxen's post (on the previous page) I can totally understand Bragin's omission of Abramov. I'm getting Vladimir Tkachyov vibes here.

Bragin puts a premium on talent, but he values character even more.

From all accounts, Abramov works really hard and has great work ethic, he needs to work on his two way game but that is literally every prospect that has ever played

 

[The Jones Zone]

signed 3 year entry level deal #CBJ



http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/12/23...bramov/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo

 

[Byrral]

he had better stats in the chl last year and showed nothing when it mattered. looks like he started degrading in the chl already.

signed 3 year entry level deal #CBJ

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/12/23...bramov/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo

Hmm. Something not quite matching up between these two posts.

 

[Fantomas]

Abramov is doing fine. He is not on a very good team, and they got off to a terrible start. He had to carry the load offensively. You have to keep this in mind when looking at his numbers. He has not had much help.

 

[Flynn84]

Hmm. Something not quite matching up between these two posts.

Abramov is fine but signing an entry level deal doesn't really mean much. Almost every prospect sign these. You have to be real bad to not to get the entry level deal. It doesn't guarantee you even play in the NHL. Tyler Biggs was signed by the Leafs. And we know he isn't good even for the AHL.

I like Abramov but he was bad in the SS. Isn't even close to make the WJC roster. Sokolov, Popugaev, Kostin were better and didn't get the invites.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Abramov is fine but signing an entry level deal doesn't really mean much. Almost every prospect sign these. You have to be real bad to not to get the entry level deal. It doesn't guarantee you even play in the NHL. Tyler Biggs was signed by the Leafs. And we know he isn't good even for the AHL.

I like Abramov but he was bad in the SS. Isn't even close to make the WJC roster. Sokolov, Popugaev, Kostin were better and didn't get the invites.

This will be my last post on this awful argument but why does everyone continue to bring up a terrible tournament as if that is the deciding factor in determining how good Abramov is? Did Bragin come out and say Sokolov, Popugaev, and Kostin were all better because if not, that is pure speculation and opinion. I'll agree with that an entry level deal doesnt mean much but this whole "he was bad in the SS tourny" means probably even less considering what he's doing on his own in the Q.

 

[MaxV]

Didn't he also just play in 1 game at SS? Kinda difficult to judge imo.

 

[Caser]

Didn't he also just play in 1 game at SS? Kinda difficult to judge imo.

Nope, he played two games and in both he was quite under par, imo. Since he is also a year younger than most of U20 NT guys, that costed him WJC.

 

[Byrral]

Abramov is fine but signing an entry level deal doesn't really mean much. Almost every prospect sign these. You have to be real bad to not to get the entry level deal. It doesn't guarantee you even play in the NHL. Tyler Biggs was signed by the Leafs.

Biggs was a first round draft pick and Toronto traded up to select him. Abramov was drafted in the 3rd round.

Columbus currently has 46 players under contract out of 50 available. If he "showed nothing when it mattered" and "looks like he started degrading in the chl already" according to the poster above, why would a professional hockey team that has scouts being paid to do that job waste a contract on a player that is degrading.

This is typical HF poster boys/girls that think they know more about prospects watching CHL games from afar than professional scouts and GM's.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Biggs was a first round draft pick and Toronto traded up to select him. Abramov was drafted in the 3rd round.

Columbus currently has 46 players under contract out of 50 available. If he "showed nothing when it mattered" and "looks like he started degrading in the chl already" according to the poster above, why would a professional hockey team that has scouts being paid to do that job waste a contract on a player that is degrading.

This is typical HF poster boys/girls that think they know more about prospects watching CHL games from afar than professional scouts and GM's.

Except you're giving them credit with that, only the Subways Series

 

[Fantomas]

Again Abramov is an underager. Not making the WJC team is not that big a deal. He will likely be on the roster next year.

 

[mikeyp24]

Man it seems some people don't like the fact that he would rather play in the NA leagues to help prepare to play in the best league in the world rather then stay in Russia and not develop on the smaller ice. The kid son far is a stud. Let's give him time to see how he will do against men before we call him over rated because a low tier tourney in the ss. He's a kid putting up great numbers on a God awful team.