Prospect Info: Rutger McGroarty, 2022 NHL Draft, #14 Overall

[voyageur]

The way I read this is that he thinks he should be given a nhl roster spot no matter what?

Why not come to camp, play well enough to force the jets to keep you?

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

f***ing kids these days. Beyond entitled.

It's the business of the game now...agents have a lot to do with opportunities. College kids get the option to play in the A, 19 years old, become UFAs by 22 if they don't like the team that drafted them. There's a lot more certainty with CHL prospects but that can change now with CHL/NCAA agreements.

 

[gojetsgo]

What are you trying to achieve exactly? His post wasn’t out of the realm of a possibility. It’s likely happened.

sorry, but just because we don't gift him a spot at the age of 20 doesn't mean he is going to turn into a reclamation project.. doesn't mean he only gets 1 opportunity to make the team... he would have had plenty of chances to make this team had he signed

 

[Duke749]

sorry, but just because we don't gift him a spot at the age of 20 doesn't mean he is going to turn into a reclamation project.. doesn't mean he only gets 1 opportunity to make the team... he would have had plenty of chances to make this team had he signed

Ok cool. Then address that instead of attacking a realistic post.

 

[gojetsgo]

Ok cool. Then address that instead of attacking a realistic post.

but I don't think that post is realistic at all.. saying he won't get more opportunity's or will become a reclamation project because he doesn't get a guaranteed spot on the roster at age 20 is fantasy

 

[Keystone]

sorry, but just because we don't gift him a spot at the age of 20 doesn't mean he is going to turn into a reclamation project.. doesn't mean he only gets 1 opportunity to make the team... he would have had plenty of chances to make this team had he signed

He only gets one opportunity to use the leverage he has creating by becoming an incredibly talented and coveted player and sign his first contract. Not having a landing spot for him or Lambert because we have Apples playing 16 minutes a night on a checking line is sure to make him and his agent question the organization.
Perfetti’s leash didn’t go unnoticed.

 

[Jetabre]

Not too impressed to hear we may be trading our top prospect..I'll reserve anger for if it comes to fruition/if traded what kind of return we get though.

 

[Jets 31]

When did Winnipeg ruin all these great draft picks some are talking about? Scheifele, Connor, Morrissey , Ehlers , Helly , Samburg and Perfetti are all our draft picks and all are a huge part of this team. What draft pick did we have and lose that went on to be starters on other teams and very good players ? Some on here just seem unhappy with whatever the Jets do even if it's something they actually like.

 

[Cnile]

but I don't think that post is realistic at all.. saying he won't get more opportunity's or will become a reclamation project because he doesn't get a guaranteed spot on the roster at age 20 is fantasy

Jets track record with many of these prospects is well known.
We have the best roster in the league, who do these kids think they are?
We have so much success, nobody is replacing our roster Groatster

 

[voyageur]

He only gets one opportunity to use the leverage he has creating by becoming an incredibly talented and coveted player and sign his first contract. Not having a landing spot for him or Lambert because we have Apples playing 16 minutes a night on a checking line is sure to make him and his agent question the organization.
Perfetti’s leash didn’t go unnoticed.

You should have to earn a spot. Mason Appleton plays a pretty good defensive game on a line with a guy who was underrated in Selke voting on a league leading defensive team...a player his dad admitted liked having a RH shot on his lines. Lambert took it like a man when he struggled in the A...accepted demotion to the WHL, came back hungrier and probably better for the experience...Now looking at replacing Ehlers...Perfetti was a bad look for the org, I'm glad Bowness stepped down. But until Barron and Namestnikov went down to injury I don't think there was a spot for Mc Groarty realistically...that was a good forward group last year.

 

[Cnile]

When did Winnipeg ruin all these great draft picks some are talking about? Scheifele, Connor, Morrissey , Ehlers , Helly , Samburg and Perfetti are all our draft picks and all are a huge part of this team. What draft pick did we have and lose that went on to be starters on other teams and very good players ? Some on here just seem unhappy with whatever the Jets do even if it's something they actually like.

Those are many years ago already.
Who recently??!
Perfetti isn’t guaranteed ice time it seems.
Stanley is a joke.
Tiny Heiny had a chance, wrecked by injury I
suppose he does this season maybe, he isn’t getting any younger.
For a team that has not had playoff success, who exactly is untouchable?
I think fans want to see prospects play instead of always playing either waiver pick ups or vets past their prime.

 

[bustamente]

On one hand I think you need to earn your spot on a roster, on the other hand this kid looks like he could be something special. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[voyageur]

Those are many years ago already.
Who recently??!
Perfetti isn’t guaranteed ice time it seems.
Stanley is a joke.
Tiny Heiny had a chance, wrecked by injury I
suppose he does this season maybe, he isn’t getting any younger.
For a team that has not had playoff success, who exactly is untouchable?
I think fans want to see prospects play instead of always playing either waiver pick ups or vets past their prime.

Then you look at Edmonton...Broberg just finishing his ELC, getting in as a replacement to big Desharnais now a fixture in the Stanley Cup final. Holloway getting demoted, on the 2nd line in crucial games. Lots of vets contributing in Oilers run. Henrique having better playoff than Monahan. I think it's just up the middle and on defense where the Jets aren't as good as the Oilers. But they signed Hyman, traded for Ekholm which made a huge difference in their fate.

 

[Guardian17]

The Jets can't cave to McGroarty's demands.

If they do, then every College prospect of ours will pull the same stunt.

 

[Heldig]

Then you look at Edmonton...Broberg just finishing his ELC, getting in as a replacement to big Desharnais now a fixture in the Stanley Cup final. Holloway getting demoted, on the 2nd line in crucial games. Lots of vets contributing in Oilers run. Henrique having better playoff than Monahan. I think it's just up the middle and on defense where the Jets aren't as good as the Oilers. But they signed Hyman, traded for Ekholm which made a huge difference in their fate.

That and they have a couple elite players verging on all time playoff records.

 

[RustyCat]

My question is WHO conveyed that to him. That context is important because it could have very well been under Bones watch. My early suspicion is Arniel is going to have a different flavour and intent. With the aggressive style that the 5x5 PK and PP look to apparently seek, a kid like McG actually work well in that.

 

[Heldig]

The Jets can't cave to McGroarty's demands.

If they do, then every College prospect of ours will pull the same stunt.

Philly caved to Cutter Guthier. They got the best deal they could.

It does look bad on the organization for such a hyped prospect - for his leadership qualities as much as anything - to sour on the team's ability / willingness to get him on the NHL roster.

Perfetti is entering his scoring prime money earning years and was a scratch for the last 1/4 of the season, affecting his next contract.

Heinola will make the team becuase of waiver eligibility. Same reason Stanley played the last half of the season.

 

[jetsfan15]

On one hand I think you need to earn your spot on a roster, on the other hand this kid looks like he could be something special. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think that utilizing patience can be beneficial in certain scenarios - look no further than Scheifele as an example.
But it is important to recognize that each player's development journey is unique. Jets can't have an identical approach to each prospect, they need to adapt and change that strict approach. And I think they may have really missed that mark re: McG. He is maybe the most hyped up prospect we’ve ever had, or at the very least over the past few years, and it’s looking like it’s over before it even started because our organization didn’t want to adapt.

It’s not like we have a Stanley cup championship roster here - we didn’t make it past game 5 of the first round for two years in a row. It’s strange that our organization didn’t want to take a bit of a chance (a calculated one) by bending the “rules” and letting a prospect like McG get some NHL minutes sooner.

I for one am disappointed and it’s not a “good” thing that we’re likely trading our top prospect, regardless of how we spin this.

 

[voyageur]

That and they have a couple elite players verging on all time playoff records.

Sometimes it's good to be bad to be good again. Jets are stuck in the murky middle, but fanbase isn't strong enough to support a perennial loser 13 seasons in...besides the Jets match up well against the Oil, but that's not the division they go through unless a wild card.

 

[jetsforever]

Why don't we just ...sign him then?

 

[Flair Hay]

sorry, but just because we don't gift him a spot at the age of 20 doesn't mean he is going to turn into a reclamation project.. doesn't mean he only gets 1 opportunity to make the team... he would have had plenty of chances to make this team had he signed

I think what he was saying is that it is a risk for a prospect to get buried. And that can affect their value and their perception around the league. It's not the only factor a team has to consider but it is a factor that prospects could consider. Therefore it's in the teams interest to consider. If that makes sense.

 

[ps241]

I can see both sides of this. He is by far my favorite prospect so this one stings a bit.

Do I think he should have to eat what he kills and earn his way… under normal circumstances, yes I would prefer that. If I was him could I trust I was going to get a “fair” shot in Winnipeg……..Nope. Jets are desperately in a win now mode at all costs to sell tickets and I don’t think there is allot of wiggle room for rookies to learn the ropes. In some ways I get it too, last summer the Jets sat across the negotiating table from Scheifele and Hellebuyck and assured them that they wanted to make the playoffs and maybe even compete for Cups now. The way that usually plays out is with veteran heavy line ups and trading tomorrow for today.

McGroarty probably looked at how crowded the Jets are at wing, how badly they want to win now, how many prospects he was competing against, and how easy it would be for a rookie to break in, stay in the lineup, and decided to use his leverage to force their hand. These guys have incredibly short careers and I get why they approach it as a business. If you have the leverage then use it ,because lord knows the organization will if they have it.

Hey I’m glad we are getting this out of the way now vs next year when we lose all leverage. Chevy has historically done pretty well with a gun to his head and he has had lots of practice.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

This is just embarrassing for the franchise. Losing top prospects cause we have been poor at developing players when we are supposed to be draft and develop.

Really bad.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think what he was saying is that it is a risk for a prospect to get buried. And that can affect their value and their perception around the league. It's not the only factor a team has to consider but it is a factor that prospects could consider. Therefore it's in the teams interest to consider. If that makes sense.

naw, I think he's going too far doom and gloom like he normally does with our prospects.. having him start in the ahl will not kill his career

 

[gojetsgo]

wouldn't playing a guy in the ahl if he wasn't nhl ready be best for his development?

 

[Daximus]

wouldn't playing a guy in the ahl if he wasn't nhl ready be best for his development?

It's probably his agent telling him he's to good for the AHL and should be guaranteed top 6 time. Agents are always getting in these kids ears about how good they are.