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Russia have 1 gold in 10 years in World Juniors

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joe dirte said:
Im talking in general. The junior tourney can change from year to year quite drastically. The finns have been fantastic this tourney.

The swedes have had a similar ebb of takent lately to the russians. The russians would smash both finland and sweden at the senior kevel. Not really close.

The finns have started to turn out some good talent in recent years but they havent caught the russians in general.
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I don't really understand why you think Russia would smash Sweden at senior level, and how it wouldn't even be close.
 
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Zine said:
Nothing can be discerned from a single age group, or tournament.

This Canadian team is hardly representative of the average Canadian team. This age group has depth not seen since 2005. Plus, it was a down year for Russia talent wise. It happens.
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Idk, I think the average Canadian team looks like this Canadian team does if on every given year we aren't missing our top D-pairing and top lines to the NHL.

Why do you think the bench mark for Canadian super team you're comparing this one to is the 05 lock out team?
 
Tyttojenvessa said:
That's fine, Finland still has the most gold medals in the last 10 years :)
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Are you sure?

I do find it weird that it seems like Russia accepts the situation. It's one gold in 18 consecutive tournaments. Of course Russia's general level of play over that span has been better than that record. A few bounces here and there and Russia has a healthier looking total. I'd also suggest that assessing the state of hockey in a country, even just in terms of development, goes well beyond WJC results.
 
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JackSlater said:
Are you sure?

I do find it weird that it seems like Russia accepts the situation. It's one gold in 18 consecutive tournaments. Of course Russia's general level of play over that span has been better than that record. A few bounces here and there and Russia has a healthier looking total. I'd also suggest that assessing the state of hockey in a country, even just in terms of development, goes well beyond WJC results.
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Of course it does. International tourneys, volume of elite talent, volume of overall talent....

Russia doesnt really produce more talent anymore, but they still seem to produce the most elite talent outside of canada.

Currently the best goal scorer is russian (8 most recent richards or something), the hart winner from 2 years ago, the vezina winner, etc etc.
 
joe dirte said:
Anything can happen in one game, but they have for more elite talent.
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I think you are staring yourself far too blind on individual NHL statistics, there are far more than that when it comes to build a national team, you have to have a team that can work together in the first place. Points is not the only thing that matters in ice hockey either, a player can be important in far many more ways than delivering points.

Or is it just a coincidence that Sweden have performed better in best on best tournaments than Russia and USA combined the last 20 years? Or that US havn't performed in the WHC in god knows when, you'd think that depth would pay off atleast one time. Both countries that you say are far superior than team Sweden.
 
Civetty said:
I think you are staring yourself far too blind on individual NHL statistics, there are far more than that when it comes to build a national team, you have to have a team that can work together in the first place. Points is not the only thing that matters in ice hockey either, a player can be important in far many more ways than delivering points.

Or is it just a coincidence that Sweden have performed better in best on best tournaments than Russia and USA combined the last 20 years? Or that US havn't performed in the WHC in god knows when, you'd think that depth would pay off atleast one time. Both countries that you say are far superior than team Sweden.
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Im sure a bunch of finns and swedes want to think theyve caught russia but they havent.

Edit.... WHC??? Lol. Thats a joke and a waste of time.
 
Like I've said before, Russia/Canada may be the more classic hockey rivalry, but Finland's always been Canada's biggest opponent in the WJC imo
 
Better stat - Russia has only 1 Gold in 18 Championships but 14 medals! Canada has 8 golds (or 9 if wins tonight) and also 14 medals.
 
TheBeastCoast said:
Nobody really cares about Silver and Bronze medals.
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That's true if the pure end result is all that counts. In terms of evaluating the talent pool, it's probably better to look at things like medals though. Russia lost three gold medal games with one goal. I don't think that one bounce necessarily tells us anything how good the players were. If recent gold medals are the criteria, there are only three countries worth mentioning: Canada, Finland and USA, the rest get a trophy for participation.
 
Russian hockey is mediocre right now, KHL is not the second league in the world. All these blowouts at Davos is an evidence of Russian Hockey degradation. Corrupted managers of Russian Hockey who are close to those in power dont have a clue about hockey management. Thats the reason why there is no win in last 10 years and we will not have it further
 
joe dirte said:
despite the fact that the KHL is still the second strongest league in the world, Russia has lost quite a bit of steam, and probably aren't the second best hockey nation anymore. USA is second. And quite frankly, they're falling back and probably on par with Sweden. With countries like Finland catching.

This things can have ebbs and flows, but Russia has for sure gotten significantly weaker over the last decade.
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Yes the KHL is the 2nd best league, but the gap to NHL is bigger and bigger. This is almost the situation in par with Basketball NBA and the 2nd best league are Spain?
 
Lambo said:
Yes the KHL is the 2nd best league, but the gap to NHL is bigger and bigger. This is almost the situation in par with Basketball NBA and the 2nd best league are Spain?
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Yeah, and switzerlands league is getting really good. Thats not necessarily becausenof the their players though.
 
If KHL is second best why in all last years all these KHL clubs had only defeats at Spengler cup? Something is wrong with that statement.
 
joe dirte said:
Easy, they've still got the most high end talent other than Canada, in the world. It seems to be a reasonably thin pool, but Ovechkin, Malkin, Panarin, Kucherov, Kuznetsov, Svechnikov, Dadonov on forward, Provorov, Sergachev.... (D isn't great), Vasilevski in net (plus Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Khudobin, Shesterkin, and Samsonov).

I can't see Finland or Sweden icing soemthing that beats that. Not remotely close at forward. The top Finn scorer last year was Aho, with one less point than Ovechkin (10 less goals).... whoch would be 5th in their scoring.

As much as Russia blows Sweden's forwards away, Sweden blows their Defense away. So it gets pretty close, especially with goaltending going to Russia.

Best on best, the odds are still on Russia, that's why.

Of the top 20 nhl scorers, 6 were canadian, 6 were american, 4 russians, 1 swede, 1 finn, 1 german, 1 pastrnakian.
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The scorer list isn t only the Benchmark. The Finns ve very good two way players and 4 players in Top 30 with Rantanen(Was injured) the Finns are to be able wit 5 Players in Top 30 Scorer list. And the Future? How old are Ovi, Malkin etc..?
 
Antonglk said:
If KHL is second best why in all last years all these KHL clubs had only defeats at Spengler cup? Something is wrong with that statement.
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The Spengler Cup is an invitational tournament. Not all of the best European teams are invited. In fact the invitations are quite random and will often feature a mid-table or even non-playoff team from the KHL. Also, a KHL team has made the final of the Spengler Cup eight times since 2005 (4-4 record). There is no doubt the KHL is still by far the best European league. If we had the equivalent of a UEFA Champions League or Euroleague (basketball) in hockey, I think you would see the KHL dominate. In my view the only league that potentially challenges them in that 2nd position is the AHL.
 
Id like to see a challenge series between Canada and US U20 like they did with the Russians back in 07/08

Some good hockey here
 
Eye of Ra said:
How come? Its surprising that such a big hockey-nation just have 1 gold in 10 years.

People always say Sweden are chocking, why is it so quiet about the fact that Russia, that is a even bigger hockey-nation than Sweden have 1 gold in 10 years? Even Finland have more golds than Russia these last 10 years.
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Finland has more gold-medals than Russia and Sweden combined during this period. To generalize roughly, Sweden has the discipline but lacks the fighting spirit. Russia has the spirit but lacks discipline. Finland has both.
 
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The answer is simple, Russian hockey has not recovered since USSR. Although it retained Some good traditions, it has lost a lot more. To rebuild something will take a while still, but they are trying.
 
1 gold in that time span is disappointing, but that amount of medals is certainly an accomplishment. When you’re that good for that long, it’s only a matter of time before you get another.
 
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