Olympics: Russia approves athletes competing under neutral flag, KHLers to play

[RossiyaSport]

If you guys wan't more insight into how ****ed the Sochi games were watch the movie Icarus on Netflix. Their is no way to prove how many of the Russian Sochi athletes were doping, but its been said close to 99% were estimated. I work closely with the US olympic team in several ways and they were all surprised how much of a medal jump there was for Russia in the past 12-16 years. Its documented that some of the Russian hockey team is included.

Russia is incredibly corrupt in sports and the doping world unfortunately. In the US its not much different but its monitored much closer. The Nike/Oregon project has been rumored to have similar methods, but instead of actually doping they push the lines as close as possible.

This is an example of how people like you like to talk but really can't see beyond the end of your nose and lose all notion of logic when it comes to Russia.

For example much of Russia's medals were won by figure skaters and two foreigners. Nobody likes to talk about this though because it doesn't fit the narrative. And how they were average or below average in speed skating, biathlon, cross country, hockey.

The other main source of medals was sliding sports. Super technical sports where theres an advantage of being able to practice on a home track thousands of times.

In the last three years under intense scrutiny, being tested to death, and not even controlling their own testing they have have had a ton of success. In this time the testing by the UK has been 99.3% clean.

Elena Nikitina, one of the people who has been attacked a lot is competing better than ever despite massive scrutiny. Yet just the other day I read a article in USA Today that is propagandizing that her current start times is because doping. A Completely nonsensical charge because her current success doesn't fit the narrative.

A paid off criminal schizophrenic who is being promoted and likely funded by the top people in the Russophobia industry who has no credibility is presented as Mother Theresa and the fake news and people doing this attack have gone to great lengths to try to rehab his image. Because its all they got.

Oh, and 'scratches' as determined by the people doing the attack. This is all being done in the court of public opinion, the court of propaganda. Can you imagine if McClaren and Rodchenkov had to go on an actual witness stand against a good defense attorney pointing out the complete lack of evidence and logic holes a truck could be driven through.

WADA trained and approved Rodchenkov then he goes and runs a criminal enterprise. Now hes best buddies with the dons of the Russophobia industry. That doesn't make you blink at all? The guy is a psyop who is lying 90% of the time.

Also, the womens hockey team when the "whole team was doping", now accusing 6 with no evidence, finished 6th in Sochi. They did better in every other tournament. Tournaments in Sweden, Canada etc.

 

[mouser]

I naturally assumed that whatever standards were being used for the international level would likely be included in the NHL's, so most banned substances would be banned in both places. So an NHLer doping would likely be caught by the NHL before they even got to the Olympic stage.

I didn't or don't remember that Backstrom incident, I'll have to look it up. Thanks!

The NHL uses the WADA list as a reference to assemble the league's PED list, but they don't implement 100% of the WADA list. I don't believe the full NHL list has been published, and it's probably updated every year. We know that some WADA items like pseudoephedrine are not on the NHL list as we learned with Backstrom.

 

[ovikovy817]

wasn't it drowned out by the " boos"? and if you think that twice convicted doper justin gatlin is a sympathetic figure in the us, think again. He doped in college got caught and doped again and served 4 of the initial 8 year ban. if he had been given the death sentence, no one sheds a tear. he's not a guy the general public rallies around. Lilly king who beat and then stared down fellow doper efimova ( poor poor efimova, like mongo she is but only a pawn in the game of life ) became MORE popular for calling out Gatlin , her US olympic teamate.

you see a lot of presumptively clean " snicker snicker" russian athletes calling out their fellow team members ? no ? I wonder why?

I don't care if he's a sympathetic figure or not, he's allowed to participate in OG and other competitions (under his flag and anthem) while clean russian, who never had positive test, (for some of them 0 positive test in 15 years of career) were banned from OG in Rio.

 

[Macman]

Also, the womens hockey team when the "whole team was doping", now accusing 6 with no evidence, finished 6th in Sochi. They did better in every other tournament. Tournaments in Sweden, Canada etc.

How can you say there is no evidence of doping on the Russian women's hockey team when testing of two of the player's B samples found male DNA in both of them -- in other words, the urine came from men and not the women -- and one of the samples also contained salt levels that are physically impossible in a healthy human?

 

[sandysan]

I don't care if he's a sympathetic figure or not, he's allowed to participate in OG and other competitions (under his flag and anthem) while clean russian, who never had positive test, (for some of them 0 positive test in 15 years of career) were banned from OG in Rio.

He got nabbed the second time and got his eight year sentence reduced to four, that my friend, is VERY different from people hiding behind a state sponsored doping program claiming that it was all a misunderstanding or worse that it never existed where the ability to detect the doping was compromised. ( its isn't the people who vote that count......)

if justing gatlin's participation has got you in such a tizzy ( even if you don't believe his " i did my time schtick") then where do you land with twice caught russian doper efimova who was reinstated for rio WITH NO FREAKING explanation ? Did the vast western conspiracy just let that one slip through the cracks ?

And again, if the doping is state sponsored, it probably behooves one to not cast aspersions on fellow athletes who got pinched. if you are running clean, you can, and should, denouce cheats. as was done in the US. in russia, not so much.

 

[ovikovy817]

He got nabbed the second time and got his eight year sentence reduced to four, that my friend, is VERY different from people hiding behind a state sponsored doping program claiming that it was all a misunderstanding or worse that it never existed where the ability to detect the doping was compromised. ( its isn't the people who vote that count......)

if justing gatlin's participation has got you in such a tizzy ( even if you don't believe his " i did my time schtick") then where do you land with twice caught russian doper efimova who was reinstated for rio WITH NO FREAKING explanation ? Did the vast western conspiracy just let that one slip through the cracks ?

And again, if the doping is state sponsored, it probably behooves one to not cast aspersions on fellow athletes who got pinched. if you are running clean, you can, and should, denouce cheats. as was done in the US. in russia, not so much.

Efimova landed in Rio because ... she had american sponsors, like Klishina who was the only IAAf member of russian team because she also had american sponsors.

And Ill repeat again. No proof/evidence that the government was involed.

The only accusations come from a guy who went to a psychiatric hospital.
The sister of That guy was caught and punished (she went to jail)by russian authorities selling doping to individual athletes (not only russian)
And Wada forced Russia To put that guy as chief of rusada, if they wanted to obtain their accreditation, back in time. (Blackmailing)

 

[sandysan]

Efimova landed in Rio because ... she had american sponsors, like Klishina who was the only IAAf member of russian team because she also had american sponsors.

And Ill repeat again. No proof/evidence that the government was involed.

The only accusations come from a guy who went to a psychiatric hospital.
The sister of That guy was caught and punished (she went to jail)by russian authorities selling doping to individual athletes (not only russian)
And Wada forced Russia To put that guy as chief of rusada, if they wanted to obtain their accreditation, back in time. (Blackmailing)

american sponsor co-conspirators ???? amirite ?

sure a bunch of guys got together, looked under their couches and in their change jars, had a couple bake sales and cobbled together a few rubles in order to make an exact replica of a WADA testing lab, but this one was hush hush and not acredited. that and the hole in the wall. why they decided to build AROUND that pre existing hole is one of life's great mysteries.

then the same coconspirators jumped on their unicorns and flew away from sochi at the end of the games. You can't prove that didn't happen, so the default position is that it could have.

again, amirite ?

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Guess as stated they'll wear a bland uniform with olympic rings and have the olympic anthem as their anthem

I hope they figure out someway to blast their Anthem after they win. Maybe Ovechkin comes out like a WWE star with a boom box and a Russian flag haha

Happy Rusev day!

 

[babylonzoo]

"Dressed for success" by Roxette

Fxxxk it - I don't want you back by emon

 

[Jussi]

I don't care if he's a sympathetic figure or not, he's allowed to participate in OG and other competitions (under his flag and anthem) while clean russian, who never had positive test, (for some of them 0 positive test in 15 years of career) were banned from OG in Rio.

You don't need to get positive test result to get banned. Avoiding or tampering with testing will also earn one a suspension. I believe the latter is the primary reason for many Russians that are currently getting banned. Not including the numerous Russians getting positive results or re-tests from previous Olympics...

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

The Team Formerly Known As The Soviet Union

There, solved.

Just wished they could have had their own song selection for their anthem. Could've gotten crazy.

 

[RossiyaSport]

The truth about Efimova who is being smeared. Her big crime was taking an over the counter GNC supplement that had a banned item in it. Yes, this is the truth.

Then she 'failed' a test on microscopic levels of Meldonium which clearly showed it was taken before it was politically banned. Instead of taking WADA to task for politically banning something that they didn't even do any trace studies on, people rushed to demonize the people being smeared.

Then the IOC in their ruling for Rio, pressured by Tygart, put in a directive saying if a Russian had ever failed a test they couldn't compete. The CAS then threw that out because it was a blatant violation of the Olympic charter.

 

[sandysan]

The truth about Efimova who is being smeared. Her big crime was taking an over the counter GNC supplement that had a banned item in it. Yes, this is the truth.

Then she 'failed' a test on microscopic levels of Meldonium which clearly showed it was taken before it was politically banned. Instead of taking WADA to task for politically banning something that they didn't even do any trace studies on, people rushed to demonize the people being smeared.

Then the IOC in their ruling for Rio, pressured by Tygart, put in a directive saying if a Russian had ever failed a test they couldn't compete. The CAS then threw that out because it was a blatant violation of the Olympic charter.

you pee over, you are a doper. drug tests have to have objective limits. That these limits change from time to time is problematic but it doesnt negate the value of objective limits. Hell its not just drugs, blood doping ( the removal of YOUR OWN BLOOD, storage and then reinjection prior to the event requiring increased aerobic capacity cannot be detected as a difference ( but can be by HC levels). Still illegal.

if ignorance were an excuse for peeing over any limit then there is no value in drug testing at all because every reading would be clouded by having to determine intent. Backstoms would claim their doctor told them it was okay and dopers like efimova would claim that she took some off brand supplement without knowing what was in it, or my favorite, that the west contaminated her food/supplements in order to ensure she would not win from a mixture of fear and jealousy of russian athletes.

and increase performance is not currently, nor has it been for a long time, a pre requisite to be considered a banned substance. All that matters is the objective limits and its the athletes responsibility to make sure they are below ( which can be kind of hard to do when coaches are doping their athletes without their knowledge or consent, not that I know a lot about that). You ?

banned is banned, i don't know how that's smearing someone. everyone else seemed to be able to not get pinched. and the american who called the doper a doper and who herself wasn't a doper, didnt seem to have a problem beating the doper.

in before " conspiracy!"

 

[Teemu]

That's cool at the same time it is weird and stupid.
Like to see new designs like 'team neutral' and what anthems and goal horns they get to use.

Russia can play, but in honor of the hosts, they'll have to settle for Gangnam Style as the anthem

 

[Jablkon]

This is an example of how people like you like to talk but really can't see beyond the end of your nose and lose all notion of logic when it comes to Russia.

For example much of Russia's medals were won by figure skaters and two foreigners. Nobody likes to talk about this though because it doesn't fit the narrative. And how they were average or below average in speed skating, biathlon, cross country, hockey.

The other main source of medals was sliding sports. Super technical sports where theres an advantage of being able to practice on a home track thousands of times.

In the last three years under intense scrutiny, being tested to death, and not even controlling their own testing they have have had a ton of success. In this time the testing by the UK has been 99.3% clean.

Elena Nikitina, one of the people who has been attacked a lot is competing better than ever despite massive scrutiny. Yet just the other day I read a article in USA Today that is propagandizing that her current start times is because doping. A Completely nonsensical charge because her current success doesn't fit the narrative.

A paid off criminal schizophrenic who is being promoted and likely funded by the top people in the Russophobia industry who has no credibility is presented as Mother Theresa and the fake news and people doing this attack have gone to great lengths to try to rehab his image. Because its all they got.

Oh, and 'scratches' as determined by the people doing the attack. This is all being done in the court of public opinion, the court of propaganda. Can you imagine if McClaren and Rodchenkov had to go on an actual witness stand against a good defense attorney pointing out the complete lack of evidence and logic holes a truck could be driven through.

WADA trained and approved Rodchenkov then he goes and runs a criminal enterprise. Now hes best buddies with the dons of the Russophobia industry. That doesn't make you blink at all? The guy is a psyop who is lying 90% of the time.

Also, the womens hockey team when the "whole team was doping", now accusing 6 with no evidence, finished 6th in Sochi. They did better in every other tournament. Tournaments in Sweden, Canada etc.

Not even Amstrong came with something like that.But good to know you have such a bright intelect and skills to recognize what kind of person is that Rodchenkov guy despite you never crossexamined him as it was always pointed out here. Based on behaviour of your politics and measueres you have taken, you have a hell of problem with doping or your labs. You all appeal to Lausane so let it on them.

 

[ovikovy817]

Avoiding or tampering with testing will also earn one a suspension.
I believe the latter is the primary reason for many Russians that are currently getting banned.

Russian athletes are the most controled in the world now.

Just need to look at monthly testings. only for FIS for example, in september: 95 test out of 153 (more than 62%) were russians, second highest Norway only had 16 test. In november: 82/222 (more than 36%) second highest Norway only 21.

Few days ago I saw also a link for all winter olympics sports.
Russian athletes with 1240 test since april 2017, 1st place far far ahead from the others. And this total would be a lot higher if russian had some athletes in alpine skiing
______

This is false.

Like for Elena Isinbaeva, just before Rio 2016, she won an event in Russia and she asked the doping officer from UKAD to take her to the doping test (because all russian athlete are tested by UKAD since december 2015, if not earlier) but he refused.
Then, few days later, IAAF said that Isinbaeva cannot participate to Rio because she hasn't had enough test.
Nonsense.

 

[sandysan]

Russian athletes are the most controled in the world now.

Just need to look at monthly testings. only for FIS for example, in september: 95 test out of 153 (more than 62%) were russians, second highest Norway only had 16 test. In november: 82/222 (more than 36%) second highest Norway only 21.

Few days ago I saw also a link for all winter olympics sports.
Russian athletes with 1240 test since april 2017, 1st place far far ahead from the others. And this total would be a lot higher if russian had some athletes in alpine skiing
______

This is false.

Like for Elena Isinbaeva, just before Rio 2016, she won an event in Russia and she asked the doping officer from UKAD to take her to the doping test (because all russian athlete are tested by UKAD since december 2015, if not earlier) but he refused.
Then, few days later, IAAF said that Isinbaeva cannot participate to Rio because she hasn't had enough test.
Nonsense.

so wait you want to let athletes dictate WHEN they get tested ? That's not how that works. Which is one of the advantages of doping control, athletes are tested in and out of competition. And you can read one of many athlete testimonials about getting a call as they are going to vacation or a wedding and or getting a knock on the door and having to pee into a cup.

And her exclusion was not because she hadnt given enough samples, it because she was part of a team that the IIAF beleived doped systematically, even though SHE never tested as a doper. The IOC let the individual sport federations decide whether athletes could or could not participate. The IIAF set out conditions for russian involvement that largely had to do with ensuting that RUSADA was in fact acredited by WADA and compliant with testing methodologies. they were not ( these systemic deficiencies remain to this day). If the russian governement knew what the conditions for readmission into the IIAF were and are, and there are still several issues that are outstanding. that's on them.

There is no "right" to be a member of a sports federation. the iiaf said that is RUSADA cannot act as an independent arm that follows WADA rules then we have no trust in the tests. that the onus is on RUSADA to prove that they are a) compliant with testing methodologies and b) not being influenced by other entities. They didn't so the russian track federation's membership in the IIAF was suspended

you want russian athletes to participate ? get your goverments fingers out of rusADA and start doing compliant testing. You can do this, you have the ability to do both,

the will ? not so much.

 

[Macman]

Russian athletes are the most controled in the world now.

Just need to look at monthly testings. only for FIS for example, in september: 95 test out of 153 (more than 62%) were russians, second highest Norway only had 16 test. In november: 82/222 (more than 36%) second highest Norway only 21.

Few days ago I saw also a link for all winter olympics sports.
Russian athletes with 1240 test since april 2017, 1st place far far ahead from the others. And this total would be a lot higher if russian had some athletes in alpine skiing
______

This is false.

Like for Elena Isinbaeva, just before Rio 2016, she won an event in Russia and she asked the doping officer from UKAD to take her to the doping test (because all russian athlete are tested by UKAD since december 2015, if not earlier) but he refused.
Then, few days later, IAAF said that Isinbaeva cannot participate to Rio because she hasn't had enough test.
Nonsense.

Of course they're the most tested. Why wouldn't they be given the extent of the problem in Russia, the fact that Russians are caught doping more than any other country by far, and that the IOC is trying to determine which Russians are clean for future competitions, including Korea.

 

[Jussi]

so wait you want to let athletes dictate WHEN they get tested ? That's not how that works. Which is one of the advantages of doping control, athletes are tested in and out of competition. And you can read one of many athlete testimonials about getting a call as they are going to vacation or a wedding and or getting a knock on the door and having to pee into a cup.

And her exclusion was not because she hadnt given enough samples, it because she was part of a team that the IIAF beleived doped systematically, even though SHE never tested as a doper. The IOC let the individual sport federations decide whether athletes could or could not participate. The IIAF set out conditions for russian involvement that largely had to do with ensuting that RUSADA was in fact acredited by WADA and compliant with testing methodologies. they were not ( these systemic deficiencies remain to this day). If the russian governement knew what the conditions for readmission into the IIAF were and are, and there are still several issues that are outstanding. that's on them.

There is no "right" to be a member of a sports federation. the iiaf said that is RUSADA cannot act as an independent arm that follows WADA rules then we have no trust in the tests. that the onus is on RUSADA to prove that they are a) compliant with testing methodologies and b) not being influenced by other entities. They didn't so the russian track federation's membership in the IIAF was suspended

you want russian athletes to participate ? get your goverments fingers out of rusADA and start doing compliant testing. You can do this, you have the ability to do both,

the will ? not so much.

This. This is all Russia's own fault. World Anti-Doping Agency rules Russia is noncompliant with code

On Thursday, WADA’s chairman, Craig Reedie, said that although Russia had made progress in overhauling RUSADA, it had failed to meet two requirements that would allow its reinstatement: that Russia publicly accept the findings of an independent WADA investigation last year that its doping coverup had been state-sponsored and that Russia give access to athletes’ urine samples collected during the time of the coverup.

The bolded part is the key. If you have nothing to hide, then why weren't they given access to the samples?

 

[sandysan]

This. This is all Russia's own fault. World Anti-Doping Agency rules Russia is noncompliant with code



The bolded part is the key. If you have nothing to hide, then why weren't they given access to the samples?

i think you answered your own question right there.

But I loved the " she was banned because she didnt take enough tests" false narrative. its almost beleivable if you don't know any of the facts and are too lazy to look them up.

 

[Yakushev72]

According to Chernyshenko yesterday, the availability of KHL players has not been decided. On Tuesday, the Russian Women's Team withdrew from the Olympics after 6 players were banned from the Olympics due to previous alleged violations. If something similar were to happen to the men's team, Chernyshenko said that the KHL would cancel the month-long Olympic break and require all players, regardless of nationality, to report back to work. Whether some non-Russians might "quit their jobs," so to speak, remains to be seen. And Chernyshenko does not give one single "sh* t" what Rene Fasel thinks about it.

 

[JLo217]

Efimova landed in Rio because ... she had american sponsors, like Klishina who was the only IAAf member of russian team because she also had american sponsors.

And Ill repeat again. No proof/evidence that the government was involed.

The only accusations come from a guy who went to a psychiatric hospital.
The sister of That guy was caught and punished (she went to jail)by russian authorities selling doping to individual athletes (not only russian)
And Wada forced Russia To put that guy as chief of rusada, if they wanted to obtain their accreditation, back in time. (Blackmailing)

Here is a question for you... Why the heck would the Government or anyone in Russia hire someone for that job that had been to a psychiatric hospital?

He was put there so if he failed he could be discredited easily. The Russian government is painting the picture they want everyone to see and believe and some are buying into. Also how random is it that two people have died with no prior issues that were also involved in the lab? I'm sure there is a good answer for that.

This is the Kremlin and nation that doesn't let people identify with who they feel they really are... Is it really that hard to believe they'd rig a system they could easily have control over?

Most athletes at high end and elite levels dope or come across it at some point. The Russians just took it further than anyone else and got caught. It's not a Russiaphobia thing. They flat out cheated and got caught. It's happened to American and British athletes too. Why is it so hard to just accept that cheating happens?

How defensive everyone is is pretty hilarious.

 

[sandysan]

According to Chernyshenko yesterday, the availability of KHL players has not been decided. On Tuesday, the Russian Women's Team withdrew from the Olympics after 6 players were banned from the Olympics due to previous alleged violations. If something similar were to happen to the men's team, Chernyshenko said that the KHL would cancel the month-long Olympic break and require all players, regardless of nationality, to report back to work. Whether some non-Russians might "quit their jobs," so to speak, remains to be seen. And Chernyshenko does not give one single "sh* t" what Rene Fasel thinks about it.

I doubt they will get pinched, but the olympics are not that far away. Isn't there a timeline in which all of the countries have to list their rosters for the olympics ( including alternates) ? If so, when is it ?

If the KHL pulls out and expects non Russian players to honor their contracts that throws pretty much every country's team into complete disarray. it certainly affects canada's roster. The prospects of KHL + " others" wasn't that appealing to being with, a tournament of just " others" has even less appeal.

 

[Jussi]

I doubt they will get pinched, but the olympics are not that far away. Isn't there a timeline in which all of the countries have to list their rosters for the olympics ( including alternates) ? If so, when is it ?

If the KHL pulls out and expects non Russian players to honor their contracts that throws pretty much every country's team into complete disarray. it certainly affects canada's roster. The prospects of KHL + " others" wasn't that appealing to being with, a tournament of just " others" has even less appeal.

IIHF vice secretary and former head of the Finnish hockey federation, Kalervo Kummola, called it a "lame attempt at extortion" and said they're trying to get something they're not going to and expects them to officially announce it eventually.

 

[sandysan]

IIHF vice secretary and former head of the Finnish hockey federation, Kalervo Kummola, called it a "lame attempt at extortion" and said they're trying to get something they're not going to and expects them to officially announce it eventually.

if the words in quotation are real, that's one bad ass vice secretary.