Run-off - Better Two-Way Season: Datsyuk '09 Or Gilmour '93?

[DitchMarner]

Vote for the superior two-way season.

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[bobholly39]

Gilmour for me

 

[HolyGhost]

Dats.

 

[authentic]

Could go either way on this one but edge to Datsyuk because he’s the better player.

 

[centipede2233]

Gilmour

 

[BraveCanadian]

Datsyuk has reached near-Fedorov level on the overrating scale here on the forums, but it’s Gilmour.

 

[Video Nasty]

Gilmour in a close vote, but if we factor in the playoffs, it gets really lopsided.

 

[Felidae]

Datsyuk has reached near-Fedorov level on the overrating scale here on the forums, but it’s Gilmour.

Maybe overall he's overrated but in this instance it's quite close and don't fault anyone for choosing one or the other.

Datsyuk' 09

4th in points
5th in PPG.
23rd in goals
3rd in hart voting
Selke winner


Gilmour' 93

7th in points
9th in PPG
58th in goals
2nd in hart voting
Selke winner


Gilmour definitely had less support. His team was 16th in GA and he outproduced the next closest teammate by 53 points.


Datsyuk's team was 1st in GA and had 24 more points than the next closest teammate.


That said, while it's pretty much a wash offensively, my inkling based on what I've read around here is that most people that watched both would give Datsyuk the edge defensively. can't say myself as I didn't watch Gilmour, but I think their selke record paints a good picture.

 

[DitchMarner]

Maybe overall he's overrated but in this instance it's quite close and don't fault anyone for choosing one or the other.

Datsyuk' 09

4th in points
5th in PPG.
23rd in goals
3rd in hart voting
Selke winner


Gilmour' 93

4th in points
9th in PPG
7th in goals
2nd in hart voting
Selke winner


Gilmour definitely had less support. His team was 16th in GA and he outproduced the next closest teammate by 53 points.


Datsyuk's team was 1st in GA and had 24 more points than the next closest teammate.


That said, while it's pretty much a wash offensively, I think most people that watched both would give Datsyuk the edge defensively (can't say myself as I didn't watch Gilmour)

Gilmour was tied for seventh in points in '93 (he was eighth in the scoring race if you use goals as a tie-breaker) and was also out of the top 20 in goals. The scoring race competition was very strong among the top ten or so scorers that year (all-time good, really) and he didn't have much to work with up front.

 

[Felidae]

Gilmour was tied for seventh in points in '93 (he was eighth in the scoring race if you use goals as a tie-breaker) and was also out of the top 20 in goals. The scoring race competition was very strong among the top ten or so scorers that year (all-time good, really) and he didn't have much to work with up front.

Ah thanks, was looking at the wrong year. Edited my original post

Well, if anything that strengthens the argument for Datsyuk a bit. There's a significant goal gap (23rd vs 58th) that competition can't account for.

 

[Video Nasty]

Ah thanks, was looking at the wrong year. Edited my original post

Well, if anything that strengthens the argument for Datsyuk a bit. There's a significant goal gap (23rd vs 58th) that competition can't account for.

I can certainly see the argument, but the following is also worth noting:

2008-2009 Detroit scored 295 goals.
1992-1993 Toronto scored 288 goals.

Datsyuk’s 32 goals ranked third on Detroit.
Gilmour’s 32 goals ranked second on Toronto.

Datsyuk contributed to 32.9% of Detroit’s offense.
Gilmour contributed to 44.1% of Toronto’s offense.

Detroit had 7 other players who totaled at least 50 points.

Toronto had 2 other players who totaled at least 50 points.

Datsyuk led his closest teammates by 24 and 26 points.

Gilmour led his closest teammates by 53 and 62 points.

I vote Gilmour myself and I certainly don’t begrudge anyone picking Datsyuk, but there’s a difference in those squads, to the point where Detroit managed to score more goals in less games in a league where the scoring environment was 25% lower.

This is a good versus battle either way.

 

[Gurglesons]

Gilmour given the team he did it on

 

[authentic]

Gilmour given the team he did it on

Datsyuk finished higher in points per game when he was 36 on an even worse team. Datsyuk was a better player than Gilmour ever was and that’s no disrespect towards Gilmour or overrating Datsyuk.

 

[KJoe88]

lol Datsyuk

 

[bobholly39]

Datsyuk finished higher in points per game when he was 36 on an even worse team. Datsyuk was a better player than Gilmour ever was and that’s no disrespect towards Gilmour or overrating Datsyuk.

Gilmour in 1993 had 127 points. Datsyk at 36 had 65 points. That's 2 points away from more than doubling him.

What exactly was the point of this statement?

Gilmour actually also has more points than Datsyuk does in their age 36 season. Which is completely off-topic, since this thread is specifically about 93 vs 2009 - and not about when they're 36 years old.

As for being a "better player than Gilmour ever was":

1. I disagree. I probably rank Gilmour higher all-time. But - it's close
2. This isn't even about career, but peak. And for peak - Gilmour ranks very high. His peak was spectacular. In 1993 he finished 2nd in hart voting in perhaps the greatest and most competitive season of all-time.

 

[authentic]

Gilmour in 1993 had 127 points. Datsyk at 36 had 65 points. That's 2 points away from more than doubling him.

What exactly was the point of this statement?

Gilmour actually also has more points than Datsyuk does in their age 36 season. Which is completely off-topic, since this thread is specifically about 93 vs 2009 - and not about when they're 36 years old.

As for being a "better player than Gilmour ever was":

1. I disagree. I probably rank Gilmour higher all-time. But - it's close
2. This isn't even about career, but peak. And for peak - Gilmour ranks very high. His peak was spectacular. In 1993 he finished 2nd in hart voting in perhaps the greatest and most competitive season of all-time.

Gilmour also nearly doubled the points Crosby had in 2010-11, what exactly was the point of that statement? Especially given the drastic differences in scoring levels in these seasons combined with the games played advantage for Gilmour

The point is the team argument isn’t a great one when Datsyuk produced at that level for 3/4 of a season far past his prime on a worse team. And although it’s close at their peaks I would go as far as saying Datsyuk was unquestionably a better player than Gilmour, just as Fedorov was.

It’s also a safe bet Gilmour played more time on ice and a fair bit more on the powerplay in 1993 than Datsyuk did. I stand by saying Datsyuk is firmly the better player at their peaks both offensively and defensively.