Rumor: Rumours & Proposals Thread | Klefbom Playing 21-22 is "very, very slim" | Holland Presser Fallout

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I just saw the condition in the Duncs trade, which realistically is not going to happen, but for all accounts we could lose more than just a 3rd round pick in this deal. LOL wtf kind of a deal is this? so what I'm reading is Jones and a 3rd weren't enough?

*Conditions: If the Oilers make it to the 2022 Stanley Cup Finals and Keith is top 4 in playoffs TOI during the first 3 rounds, the pick upgrades to a 2022 2nd round

Well if that 3rd round becomes a 2nd round then I’m fairly sure the trade worked out. Haha.

 

[soothsayer]

I just saw the condition in the Duncs trade, which realistically is not going to happen, but for all accounts we could lose more than just a 3rd round pick in this deal. LOL wtf kind of a deal is this? so what I'm reading is Jones and a 3rd weren't enough?

*Conditions: If the Oilers make it to the 2022 Stanley Cup Finals and Keith is top 4 in playoffs TOI during the first 3 rounds, the pick upgrades to a 2022 2nd round

It's probably not going to happen, but it also locks that pick up from being traded either way. Essentially, Holland cannot even consider trading either the 3rd or the 2nd. Another mind number.

 

[jeg]

I just saw the condition in the Duncs trade, which realistically is not going to happen, but for all accounts we could lose more than just a 3rd round pick in this deal. LOL wtf kind of a deal is this? so what I'm reading is Jones and a 3rd weren't enough?

*Conditions: If the Oilers make it to the 2022 Stanley Cup Finals and Keith is top 4 in playoffs TOI during the first 3 rounds, the pick upgrades to a 2022 2nd round

This makes sense to me , its not enough because if Keith is top 4 in ice time we just traded for a top 4 D on a contending team for a 7th D and a 3rd...

 

[Smartguy]

I just saw the condition in the Duncs trade, which realistically is not going to happen, but for all accounts we could lose more than just a 3rd round pick in this deal. LOL wtf kind of a deal is this? so what I'm reading is Jones and a 3rd weren't enough?

*Conditions: If the Oilers make it to the 2022 Stanley Cup Finals and Keith is top 4 in playoffs TOI during the first 3 rounds, the pick upgrades to a 2022 2nd round

Yeah, if the Oilers make the cup final we should be upset about Keith playing a big role in that.

This fanbase is insane

 

[Marty McSurly]

What are you trying to accomplish?

Just ignore me, you will feel better. Go hit the gym after too lol.

 

[Oilers]

Yeah, if the Oilers make the cup final we should be upset about Keith playing a big role in that.

This fanbase is insane

not at all what I'm saying. If Oilers make Cup finals, Yes I could care less if that pick goes from 3rd to 2nd, but am I not reading this correctly? that basically Jones + 3rd wasn't good enough to get Keith? lol

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Just ignore me, you will feel better. Go hit the gym after too lol.

So what you're saying is you're just trolling because grumpy.

 

[MoontoScott]

Well, for better or for worse the Keith deal is done and its time to move on-hopefully he rebounds and makes us eat our skepticism. Katz probably signed off on it when he saw that only 3.6M was actually left on the contract in the next 2 years--yup, what about the cap space is right-- but in the end its his money to spend and manage.

I think it seals the deal on the Kosko and Neal buyouts because no way can you meet the earlier off season goals if you are carrying approx. 10M in cap space on these two after having added 5.5M the day before.

I imagine that Holland (lots of miles on that guy by the looks of him) is probably making a few last minute phone calls to see what he can do with these 2 but with even fewer draft picks to dish out I don't see what he can throw in for sweeteners. The fat lady is clearing her throat.

 

[Marty McSurly]

So what you're saying is you're just trolling because grumpy.

Nah, I'm happy. You're grumpy in every thread.

It's just a game and go hit the gym. You can use it.

 

[DakrSnooze]

If Larsson ends up walking I like David Savard as a potential replacement.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Any interest in Montour?

 

[Oilers]

Well, for better or for worse the Keith deal is done and its time to move on-hopefully he rebounds and makes us eat our skepticism. Katz probably signed off on it when he saw that only 3.6M was actually left on the contract in the next 2 years--yup, what about the cap space is right-- but in the end its his money to spend.

I think it seals the deal on the Kosko and Neal buyouts because no way can you meet the earlier off season goals if you are carrying approx. 10M in cap space on these two.

I imagine that Holland (lots of miles on that guy by the looks of him) is probably making a few last phone calls to see what he can do with these 2 but with even fewer draft picks to dish out I don't see what he can throw in for sweeteners. The fat lady is clearing her throat.

You're right, even I'm hung up on the deal, but what's done is done.
Excitement level with Nuge signing took a turn, but hopefully we have an exciting next month with signings or trades

 

[ChaoticOrange]

By the way, got some clarity on the Klefbom/cap space situation.

We have one of two choices:

1) be right under the 81.5 million limit when the season starts, LTIR Klefbom, and then have the 4.17 to use during the year

2) be as close to over 4.17 as we can be, LTIR him, and gain the full amount.

So, for example, if we're over by a little bit - say, we're at 83 million to start the season - that's it, we don't get any additional cap space for LTIRing Klefbom. I'm sure there will be some cap juggling to start the year, but as far as the offseason goes, it's not as simple as saying "we have this extra money to play with". We either need to be just under 81.5, or over by Klefbom's full cap hit, to take full advantage.

 

[MoontoScott]

By the way, got some clarity on the Klefbom/cap space situation.

We have one of two choices:

1) be right under the 81.5 million limit when the season starts, LTIR Klefbom, and then have the 4.17 to use during the year

2) be as close to over 4.17 as we can be, LTIR him, and gain the full amount.

So, for example, if we're over by a little bit - say, we're at 83 million to start the season - that's it, we don't get any additional cap space for LTIRing Klefbom. I'm sure there will be some cap juggling to start the year, but as far as the offseason goes, it's not as simple as saying "we have this extra money to play with". We either need to be just under 81.5, or over by Klefbom's full cap hit, to take full advantage.

In a case like this (LTIR) does insurance cover part of the actual salary or is it out of Katz's pocket?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I mean, that's not really your call to make or anyone else's, though. Why is it so hard to let people fan as they see fit?

Anyone can put me on ignore. It doesn't hurt me any.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

In a case like this (LTIR) does insurance cover part of the actual salary or is it out of Katz's pocket?

I honestly have no idea, the LTIR stuff is by far the most complicated part of the CBA.

 

[DynamiteKid]

Essentially, Holland cannot even consider trading either the 3rd or the 2nd. Another mind number.

Well, with people ripping into his trades, maybe it's not a bad idea to have our draft picks locked like that. Then he can't do something silly with them.

I for one hope we have to give up the 2nd.

 

[McDrai]

Holland not fired yet? Well I'll check again tomorrow

 

[Oilhawks]

Any interest in Montour?

If Larsson walks I’d see if he’s interested

 

[Oilslick941611]

Crappy deal, but some of you are too overly invested in this team. This team is not worth getting that upset.

also people are upset over Chicago not retaining 1.3mil.

is that REALLY worth the vitriol thats being thrown around?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

also people are upset over Chicago not retaining 1.3mil.

is that REALLY worth the vitriol thats being thrown around?

Death by a thousand cuts. Imagine paying Kassian 1.3 less for every year of his contract.

 

[MoontoScott]

I honestly have no idea, the LTIR stuff is by far the most complicated part of the CBA.

Yeh, it is a bit deep but someone on the threads probably has the answer.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

also people are upset over Chicago not retaining 1.3mil.

is that REALLY worth the vitriol thats being thrown around?

I did yell out a huge F bomb in my truck when I heard it announced on the radio haha. Over it now and just trying to see where it goes.

 

[North]

not at all what I'm saying. If Oilers make Cup finals, Yes I could care less if that pick goes from 3rd to 2nd, but am I not reading this correctly? that basically Jones + 3rd wasn't good enough to get Keith? lol

Well Jones was a healthy scratch on the regular and a third is not much.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Well Jones was a healthy scratch on the regular and a third is not much.

So was Bouchard.