McTonyBrar
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Montreal drafts Saku Koivu's son, Aatos Koivu. What a great moment
To be fair, it's easier to dump players that people actually want than Campbell and Nurse.
Ok, if Utah is guaranteed to make the playoffs next season, which of the western conference teams that made the playoffs this past season would have to miss for that to happen? Because I don’t see Utah vaulting over any of them.Yeah, I think their D was low key pretty good for a shoestring budget last year, no marquee players. You slap Sergachev and Marino on there and yup... its bonafide. Plus Simashev et al. on the way.
Utah has good forwards and goaltending too. No chance they miss the playoffs this year.
Let's say a deal is in the makings with Nurse, then, 1- Do the Oilers make the deal without his knowledge and advise him about it , to see if he is willing to waive, or 2- Do we need to approach him first about a deal and see if he is willing to waive?Full no movement I believe, so he has to waive for any team.
LA? Kopitar and Doughty will be another year older. Will attempt to change their system, which will help guys like Fiala score more points, but will not suit their overall rosterOk, if Utah is guaranteed to make the playoffs next season, which of the western conference teams that made the playoffs this past season would have to miss for that to happen? Because I don’t see Utah vaulting over any of them.
They gave a 2nd to do it plus Hayes is actually still decent. Campbell is garbageIf there is a market for Kevin Hayes.....
Vegas was pretty shit the SH and will only get worse esp if they lose marshOk, if Utah is guaranteed to make the playoffs next season, which of the western conference teams that made the playoffs this past season would have to miss for that to happen? Because I don’t see Utah vaulting over any of them.
Let's say a deal is in the makings with Nurse, then, 1- Do the Oilers make the deal without his knowledge and advise him about it , to see if he is willing to waive, or 2- Do we need to approach him first about a deal and see if he is willing to waive?
Pretty sure it would be the latter. You would approach the player first, put out feelers on if he'd be willing to move elsewhere, who he'd waive for and go from there. Logically it wouldn't make sense to start shopping when the player is basically in full control of his destiny in that regard.Let's say a deal is in the makings with Nurse, then, 1- Do the Oilers make the deal without his knowledge and advise him about it , to see if he is willing to waive, or 2- Do we need to approach him first about a deal and see if he is willing to waive?
If you buy him out this year- you get 3.9M of added space of which 1M went to Pickard. So this year you have an added 2.9M. Next year his hit is 2.3+1 for Pickard so 1.7. The year after that guy have to sign Skinner, a back up, pay McDavid, and have 2.7M on the books for Campbell. You also have Bouchard and Draisaitl up when Campbell’s dead cap is 2.3M, plus the Oilers have to deal with Nurse because you cannot have 4 players making 50M and one of them is Nurse.Wait so if we buy out Campbell we only gain 1.1 mill in cap space?
Less Pickard to replace CampbellOkay yeah that makes more sense. Thanks!
But we had Pickard and Campbell’s hits both in the roster this year… so we “gain” more of less the full $3.9 this year relative to last year.If you buy him out this year- you get 3.9M of added space of which 1M went to Pickard. So this year you have an added 2.9M. Next year his hit is 2.3+1 for Pickard so 1.7. The year after that guy have to sign Skinner, a back up, pay McDavid, and have 2.7M on the books for Campbell. You also have Bouchard and Draisaitl up when Campbell’s dead cap is 2.3M, plus the Oilers have to deal with Nurse because you cannot have 4 players making 50M and one of them is Nurse.
So, I live in Calgary amongst insufferable Flames fans. Last season, when the Flames were on the verge of trading Markstrom to Jersey and it fell through- Friedman was doing his hit on Flames radio. The host asked him if the deal fell through because Markstrom refused to waive. Friedman explained as this-Let's say a deal is in the makings with Nurse, then, 1- Do the Oilers make the deal without his knowledge and advise him about it , to see if he is willing to waive, or 2- Do we need to approach him first about a deal and see if he is willing to waive?
I get what you are saying. My perspective is buyouts are a reduction in your overall cap. You’re essentially handicapping yourself. I personally hate dead cap- something the Oilers seems to always have.But we had Pickard and Campbell’s hits both in the roster this year… so we “gain” more of less the full $3.9 this year relative to last year.
Plus… Pickard can be fully buried, so if we find a better backup Pickard doesn’t count…
You are better off just looking at the $$$ saved from Campbell alone since you are free to spend it however you want.
That’s the same expression Oilers fans have because we have been told it’s too hard to doFans in Arizona are sitting around like
It is. TB traded good players. So if you are down to trade Ekholm and someone like Nuge, by all means clear cap space LOLThat’s the same expression Oilers fans have because we have been told it’s too hard to do
It would be more like Kane and Nurse but okay.It is. TB traded good players. So if you are down to trade Ekholm and someone like Nuge, by all means clear cap space LOL
Jeannot is not that, at all, but your point is largely correct. Either way, the Oilers need to get on it, cap won't create itselfIt is. TB traded good players. So if you are down to trade Ekholm and someone like Nuge, by all means clear cap space LOL
I should've been more specific. Good players who are overpaid lolJeannot is not that, at all, but your point is largely correct. Either way, the Oilers need to get on it, cap won't create itself
lol- Tampa didn’t trade anyone or Ekholm or Nuge quality of player.It is. TB traded good players. So if you are down to trade Ekholm and someone like Nuge, by all means clear cap space LOL
So Nurse? That’s what we are all waiting for- hence my postI should've been more specific. Good players who are overpaid lol
I hate NTCs. Only the elite should get them- not a guy like Nurse. Man, Holland got killed in that negotiationIf Trouba and Hayes can find takers we can find a taker for Nurse. Nurse is a vastly superior player to these two. Campbell we just need to convince to LTIRetire or buyout, he's not NHL caliber.
Nurse is highly overpaid. He's not getting moved unless we retain or maybe a couple players on our team don't want him gone lollol- Tampa didn’t trade anyone or Ekholm or Nuge quality of player.
So Nurse? That’s what we are all waiting for- hence my post
Perfect thanks a lot., in this case if rumour has it that Nurse may be looking for a fresh start elsewhere, it may make his deal easier, one can hope!So, I live in Calgary amongst insufferable Flames fans. Last season, when the Flames were on the verge of trading Markstrom to Jersey and it fell through- Friedman was doing his hit on Flames radio. The host asked him if the deal fell through because Markstrom refused to waive. Friedman explained as this-
“Waiving” is the very last step of the trade process. Usually a team negotiates with a team- gets everything in place- and the last step is asking a player to waive. In Markstrom’s case- the deal fell through before they even asked him to waive. That’s from Elliotte. I think when a player as a modified NTC they ask that player to submit a list. I guess this makes sense as you don’t want a disgruntled player if a deal doesn’t pan out and now the player knows you tried to move him
I get what you are saying. My perspective is buyouts are a reduction in your overall cap. You’re essentially handicapping yourself. I personally hate dead cap- something the Oilers seems to always have.
lol man Sergachev is definitely up to their level.lol- Tampa didn’t trade anyone or Ekholm or Nuge quality of player.
So Nurse? That’s what we are all waiting for- hence my post
I hate NTCs. Only the elite should get them- not a guy like Nurse. Man, Holland got killed in that negotiation
So is Trouba, and according to you, Sergachev. If they can be moved so can NurseNurse is highly overpaid. He's not getting moved unless we retain or maybe a couple players on our team don't want him gone lol