Rumor: Rumors & Trade Proposals Thread | Post Mortem '23-24 Season: Who Should Stay, Who Should Go & Who Should We Bring In?

[WaitingForUser]

I would like to have a sit down with Holland and ask him what metrics/video evidence suggested that Campbell was THE goalie worth taking a risk on.
I mean Campbell was the goalie that Holland thought was the best possible fit to guide this team to a SC.
WTF?

He also had Barrie Ceci and Hyman all praising him from their time in Toronto. Sometimes you get bad or influenced info

 

[bucks_oil]

Nope you can absolutely 100% not let it get to the summer without Leon signed or traded. You want to talk lost asset how about investing 11 years in a perennial 100 point player only to lose him for nothing. That is the worst case scenario that could occur with Leon. Sign him or trade him DO NOT let him walk to FA.

That's where I was...

... but then I realized. You DON'T lose him for "nothing". You potentially lose him for:
1) One last cup run with an $8.5M Leon Draisaitl. To any other team that would be worth 3 1st rounders or equivalent.
2) A high pick when you trade his rights to any of the 10 teams he has on his "trade" list. How do you think that bidding war turns out? They all need to have that 8th year to convince him to sign. There is a HUGE difference to both parties between $13 x 7years = $91M and $12.5M x 8 years = $100M. I'd say that a team would pay a 1st to ensure they snag Leon.
3) You still get to spend the $13M that you set aside for Leon.

The only way you trade him this summer is if you get TWO 23-25 year old near future #1C, #1D or #1G. That can help us NOW. That's a hard trade to put together... and if you are looking for established talent, you might as well keep him (you can get no better established talent) and pick up established UFA to lessen the blow next summer.

 

[nafrelio]

It's smarter to bury Campbell's contact again this season than to buy him out, it would be better to buy him out next season when Drai and Bouchard are extended it also shortens the buyout length in cap year hits by 2 years

That's a fair point. Burying him again still counts some against our cap, but we still have Bouch and Drai with one more year at bargains when we could swallow the cap space. If we wanted to go "all in" next year, then you buy him out now, but if you want to have a longer window to contend for the cup, there's some wisdom in waiting an extra year.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It's smarter to bury Campbell's contact again this season than to buy him out, it would be better to buy him out next season when Drai and Bouchard are extended it also shortens the buyout length in cap year hits by 2 years

No, they don't want him in the organization and even the extra years mean more savings now. You buy him out.

 

[VainGretzky]

No, they don't want him in the organization and even the extra years mean more savings now. You buy him out.

And what spend it this season and be crippled next season when 2 10 plus million contracts kick in and have 2,3 million dead next season and another 2.6 million dead cap when time to re-up McDavid that is brutal cap management I think they are looking at other options

 

[ThePhoenixx]

No, they don't want him in the organization and even the extra years mean more savings now. You buy him out.

So you are not on board with adding McLeod as a sweetener to trade Campbell to San Jose?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

You're Duul.

Didn’t take long for all the losers to flood back in and tell us how a team that came within a goal of winning the Cup will never win with this player or that player.

22 pts in 25 games and out scoring every other guy in the playoffs not in an Oilers jersey just isn’t enough.

 

[cruisecity]

He also had Barrie Ceci and Hyman all praising him from their time in Toronto. Sometimes you get bad or influenced info

I feel like it's a general principle in all walks of life where if you know someone as a former teammate or colleague and their entrance to your organization is imminent or they've just been signed, of course you're going to lap praise onto them. They're your teammate now. What else are you supposed to say?

I wouldn't trust anything these players say publically. Only what they leave out.

 

[Oilers88]

I would like to have a sit down with Holland and ask him what metrics/video evidence suggested that Campbell was THE goalie worth taking a risk on.
I mean Campbell was the goalie that Holland thought was the best possible fit to guide this team to a SC.
WTF?

The weird thing about the signing is, even immediately after Campbell was signed, I have never actually heard Ken Holland say a single thing that he likes about the player. If you go back and listen to his interviews about the Campbell signing, Holland always starts the same way: we knew Mike Smith and Koskinen weren't coming back, Stu was going to be backup so we really needed an experienced starter, there were 3-4 guys on the market with a track record as a starter (I've assumed he means Husso, Campbell, and Kuemper), and we didn't really know what we would do if we didn't sign one of those guys.

Holland had also tried for Markstrom, Kuemper, and others previously and struck out. Campbell was good friends with Barrie, Ceci, and Hyman, so I think we knew pretty well that we had him in the bag. I don't think Campbell was ever the starting goalie that they loved, but they had a glaring hole and he was the guy they thought they could get.

 

[cruisecity]

Didn’t take long for all the losers to flood back in and tell us how a team that came within a goal of winning the Cup will never win with this player or that player.

22 pts in 25 games and out scoring every other guy in the playoffs not in an Oilers jersey just isn’t enough.

Two even strength goals in 25 games playing with McDavid for essentially every minute at evens.

Two. And it's not anything new for Nuge. He wilts every playoffs in tight checking hockey. Don't care how many PP points he put up in the early rounds.

To put this into context:

Holloway - 5 EVG
Ekholm - 4 EVG
Kane - 4 EVG (injured/scratched most of the time)
Henrique - 4 EVG (playing with scrubs)
McLeod - 4 EVG (softest player on the team)
Foegele - 3 EVG

RNH, while playing with the best player on earth by a longshot, had the same amount of goals at even strength as:

Janmark
Nurse
Ceci
Broberg

This is a colossal failure. Every single playoffs it's the same story from Nuge.

 

[Broberg Speed]

You're the same guy that shit talked Bouchard as garbage who would hold us back in the playoffs and RNH as well, you realize us making it to GM 7 of the Stanley Cup has made a million different things you said complete BS, the margin between the teams was basically non-existent, 1 good or bad bounce could've made for an entirely different outcome.

Bottom line is we needed 2 more goals in GM 7, it could of been as simple as a healthy Drai, McDavid, or Kane getting us one goal in regulation and then a dozen other people could of been an OT hero.

I think if time has proved anything it's your ability to be consistently wrong and taking what you say and doing the opposite is a much better path than following your advice, I personally see you as a Jim Cramer-esque figure on these boards. You are so consistently wrong that if I was hiring a team to GM the Oilers from this board you would be my 2nd pick, there is a ton of value in knowing precisely what not to do.

That said thanks to your advice it's clearly time to double down on McLeod.

Wrong. Criticism is what got Bouchard to where he is. If it was left to the fanboys he'd still be a third pairing pp specialist.

Bouchard's shortcomings were highlighted, brought to the forefront and he worked on them. The credit all goes to Bouchard and the real fans. Not the fanboys.

In fact if we had less of a fanboy nation going on the Oilers probably would have had to answer to the scrutiny and we'd all be celebrating a Stanley Cup right now. Fanboys really suck ass.

Oilers would have been taken to 6 or seven games against LA with McLeod as the third line center. They certainly would have fell to the Canucks with that wimpy excuse for a pivot who doesn't have the slightest clue how to play the position.

Sincerely go find a team worthy of you fandom, it will save us all a lot of time.


Again, because he will be bought out, a trade is near impossible and you can't keep him. No matter how sad dead cap makes you, that truely doesn't matter. Ignoring reality won't make it not exist.

You're preoccupied with my posts.

How many times a day do you have to repeat yourself that you want to exclude me from this board?

You know there is a name for those with the need to ostracise groups continually and wish to get rid of those with differing opinions. Yes, you are that guy.

 

[TheNumber4]

You're the same guy that shit talked Bouchard as garbage who would hold us back in the playoffs and RNH as well, you realize us making it to GM 7 of the Stanley Cup has made a million different things you said complete BS, the margin between the teams was basically non-existent, 1 good or bad bounce could've made for an entirely different outcome.

Bottom line is we needed 2 more goals in GM 7, it could of been as simple as a healthy Drai, McDavid, or Kane getting us one goal in regulation and then a dozen other people could of been an OT hero.

I think if time has proved anything it's your ability to be consistently wrong and taking what you say and doing the opposite is a much better path than following your advice, I personally see you as a Jim Cramer-esque figure on these boards. You are so consistently wrong that if I was hiring a team to GM the Oilers from this board you would be my 2nd pick, there is a ton of value in knowing precisely what not to do.

That said thanks to your advice it's clearly time to double down on McLeod.

Yeh his takes on Bouchard have been ridiculously bad. As were his takes on Hyman.

 

[VainGretzky]

The difference between Burying his contract for 3 years or buying him out is an extra cap savings of 1.2 million that's it and having 3 years of dead cap instead of 6 and his contract will take less assets to dump with 2 or 1 year left saving way more cap then buying him out now

 

[NeverForget06]

Two even strength goals in 25 games playing with McDavid for essentially every minute at evens.

Two. And it's not anything new for Nuge. He wilts every playoffs in tight checking hockey. Don't care how many PP points he put up in the early rounds.

To put this into context:

Holloway - 5 EVG
Ekholm - 4 EVG
Kane - 4 EVG (injured/scratched most of the time)
Henrique - 4 EVG (playing with scrubs)
McLeod - 4 EVG (softest player on the team)
Foegele - 3 EVG

RNH, while playing with the best player on earth by a longshot, had the same amount of goals at even strength as:

Janmark
Nurse
Ceci
Broberg

This is a colossal failure. Every single playoffs it's the same story from Nuge.

What is your solution? Do you have any suggestions for a direction for this team?

 

[cruisecity]

What is your solution? Do you have any suggestions for a direction for this team?

Yes, if you are interested in what I have to say or suggest most of my posts are in relation to that. A day or two ago I made a large one on my opinions for who to walk away from, who to try and re-sign, who to seek out in free agency, and how we may be able to move some of our crippling contracts.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You're Duul.

100%.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I feel like it's a general principle in all walks of life where if you know someone as a former teammate or colleague and their entrance to your organization is imminent or they've just been signed, of course you're going to lap praise onto them. They're your teammate now. What else are you supposed to say?

I wouldn't trust anything these players say publically. Only what they leave out.

The praise and trumpeting came long before he was signed. The oilers even had an investigation of tampering because he was signed the first second free agency opened. It was the worst kept secret in sports that Campbell was coming here. People were calling it almost 3 weeks before the FA opened and even had the number right. The players had a huge part in bringing Jack aboard

 

[Broberg Speed]

Yeh his takes on Bouchard have been ridiculously bad. As were his takes on Hyman.

My takes on the aforementioned mentioned players were bang on and constructive criticism is what helped them get to where they are currently, that along with their hard work and dedication to rounding out their games.

Hyman certainly isn't the player he was during the first three quarters of his first season with the Oilers and Bouchard is no longer the soft indecisive player that had major shortcomings defensively.

Being a fanboy hinders, it does not help. Maybe one day you'll figure it out. I hope so.

 

[TheNumber4]

My takes on the aforementioned mentioned players were bang on and constructive criticism is what helped them get to where they are currently, that along with their hard work and dedication to rounding out their games.

Hyman certainly isn't the player he was during the first three quarters of his first season with the Oilers and Bouchard is no longer the soft indecisive player that had major shortcomings defensively.

Being a fanboy hinders, it does not help. Maybe one day you'll figure it out. I hope so.

Nah. When Bouchard was having his elite season you shat on him till the very end. When he had already improved in areas of need. When Bouchard had his elite playoffs, it proved about 95% of your posts on him wrong. Same with Hyman, he proved 95% of your criticisms of him wrong.

And no, Bouchard didn't read any of your posts and decided to get better LOL. He did that on his own. And the warts in his game that he needed to improve were known since his draft year. Your posts did absolutely nothing to help that along.

 

[Vagabond]

Two even strength goals in 25 games playing with McDavid for essentially every minute at evens.

Two. And it's not anything new for Nuge. He wilts every playoffs in tight checking hockey. Don't care how many PP points he put up in the early rounds.

To put this into context:

Holloway - 5 EVG
Ekholm - 4 EVG
Kane - 4 EVG (injured/scratched most of the time)
Henrique - 4 EVG (playing with scrubs)
McLeod - 4 EVG (softest player on the team)
Foegele - 3 EVG

RNH, while playing with the best player on earth by a longshot, had the same amount of goals at even strength as:

Janmark
Nurse
Ceci
Broberg

This is a colossal failure. Every single playoffs it's the same story from Nuge.

You also missed the 5 goals that he saved. The amazing hard PK minutes he played. Nuge was fine and is an integral part of this team.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Nah. When Bouchard was having his elite season you shat on him till the very end. When he had already improved in areas of need. When Bouchard had his elite playoffs, it proved about 95% of your posts on him wrong. Same with Hyman, he proved 95% of your criticisms of him wrong.

And no, Bouchard didn't read any of your posts and decided to get better LOL. He did that on his own. And the warts in his game that he needed to improve were known since his draft year. Your posts did absolutely nothing to help that along.

Believe whatever you want but do you really need to repeat the exact same proclamation everytime you don't agree with an opinion? The evidence points to yes, because you're on repeat.

And you fanned the flame war with the Canuck fans more than any other poster on this forum.

 

[TheNumber4]

You also missed the 5 goals that he saved. The amazing hard PK minutes he played. Nuge was fine and is an integral part of this team.

Imagine rating Nuge as a player based on EV Goals alone and thinking that's a proper assessment of his value to this team.

 

[FlameChampion]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806419867350057022

I’ve wondered if something like McLeod + Campbell + 2nd for Kostin + late round pick would work

 

[McTonyBrar]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806455805413400854

LOL I thought they wanted Guentzel.

Also,

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806449220360307089

 

[NeverForget06]

I’ve wondered if something like McLeod + Campbell + 2nd for Kostin + late round pick would work

I know there is still lots of love for Kostin but I think Knoblauch would really struggle to find a spot for him. He seemed really big on defensive responsibility which is a quality that Klim has always struggled with