Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Y'all Got Any Good Goalies?

[Mr Kot]

Would’ve liked Kakko as a reclamation project but we didn’t really have a piece like Borgen to offer.

We have some terrible defencemen to trade actually.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Another Dman taken off the board. Meanwhile Bowman is standing pat and doing nothing

And you wonder why people laugh at your overreactions

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

It's true, the mains are dumb. But if Broberg had anywhere near close to his first round value, we really should have moved him when signs appeared he wasn't happy. It's not the most crazy move for a GM to make, we've seen it happen all the time recently. A young prospect doesn't like it there, ship him out ASAP. Happened to Rutger, happened to Jiricek, and others.

There are examples of patience with prospects who want working out. For example Drouin famously wanted out, but TB believed in him and got some great hockey out of him and then traded him for a much better return in Sergachev who I don't think TB win their 2 Stanley Cups without.

Martin Necas also wanted out, craving an opportunity in a bigger role elsewhere, but they were patient and Necas started playing much better and now Necas seems happy with his role and happy to stay as one of the best forwards in the league.

There are examples that cut both ways on going the patient route and on shipping out prospects ASAP before their trade value diminishes, it's a case by case basis to see which is right.

Also from what I read Jiricek never requested a trade or stated he wanted out, CBJ are the ones that decided to move him.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

There are examples of patience with prospects who want working out. For example Drouin famously wanted out, but TB believed in him and got some great hockey out of him and then traded him for a much better return in Sergachev who I don't think TB win their 2 Stanley Cups without.

Martin Necas also wanted out, craving an opportunity in a bigger role elsewhere, but they were patient and Necas started playing much better and now Necas seems happy with his role and happy to stay as one of the best forwards in the league.

There are examples that cut both ways on going the patient route and on shipping out prospects ASAP before their trade value diminishes, it's a case by case basis to see which is right.

Also from what I read Jiricek never requested a trade or stated he wanted out, CBJ are the ones that decided to move him.

Err...Perhaps an agent got things going with CBJs.
Not that I'm disagreeing with your argument.

 

[Cloned]

Rangers board with a level of unanimous anger and disgust that I haven’t seen since the DoD days on HFOil.

 

[TheNumber4]

There are examples of patience with prospects who want working out. For example Drouin famously wanted out, but TB believed in him and got some great hockey out of him and then traded him for a much better return in Sergachev who I don't think TB win their 2 Stanley Cups without.

Martin Necas also wanted out, craving an opportunity in a bigger role elsewhere, but they were patient and Necas started playing much better and now Necas seems happy with his role and happy to stay as one of the best forwards in the league.

There are examples that cut both ways on going the patient route and on shipping out prospects ASAP before their trade value diminishes, it's a case by case basis to see which is right.

Also from what I read Jiricek never requested a trade or stated he wanted out, CBJ are the ones that decided to move him.

Those are good examples. Guess it should be done on a case by case basis. But you'd have to know and believe in that player to give them that year of trying them out. Cause if they fail, the value has a good chance to drop too.

Jiricek made complaints about wanting to be in the NHL and feeling he shouldn't be in the AHL. Maybe not exactly a trade request, but signs of trouble.

Rangers board with a level of unanimous anger and disgust that I haven’t seen since the DoD days on HFOil.

Go to the Sheshterkin thread and the anger and disgust is about the same as current day HFOil.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I know Kakko's still considered young but he's in his 6th NHL season with no real signs of progression. He's only had one season above 23 points (albeit on pace for 38 this year).

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I am thinking Marcus P will go to VAN. Their GM is aggressive.

Plus they love their Euros and his last name is pettersen

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Drury does seems in a bit of a panic. So I guess pondering about some of his players is not bubbling the water but the day he seriously puts Brayden or K'andre up for grabs is the day he puts his head in the noose.
The attitude he has towards players and team management comes from above.

 

[guymez]

So ...trades...

1) Everybody here knows i've been after Kovacevic for about 3 years. Janmark goes the other way.
2) Pickard out ....Alex Lyon in. Need someone we can trust for more than 1 game at a time. What if STU gets hurt.
3) Matt Murray from Milwaukee Admirals for Colin and a B prospect. Closer and better than Rodrigue.
4) Noah Cates for J. Skins. Yes I know Jeff has to agree. Noah has alot of experience at centre as well and can spell Ryan as well replace a lot of Janmark.

Net increase in Cap = 0.

You've only been on the boards for approx 2 months.

 

[McShogun99]

Trading Draisaitl away for Kucherov dramatically reduces your chances of re-signing McDavid.

Happy to help

A superstar Russian player in Edmonton. What could go wrong. Kucherov signs with a sunbelt team the second he hits UFA if he played in Edmonton.

 

[TheNumber4]

I know Kakko's still considered young but he's in his 6th NHL season with no real signs of progression. He's only had one season above 23 points (albeit on pace for 38 this year).

I really wonder how these NYR prospects would take off on another team. A team that doesn't import all their stars through Free Agency. Like if Kakko went to CBJ, he's tasting Top 6 minutes and PP1 time all the time as they invest in their 2nd overall pick and give him the opportunity to grow into a franchise player.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

So ...trades...

1) Everybody here knows i've been after Kovacevic for about 3 years. Janmark goes the other way.
2) Pickard out ....Alex Lyon in. Need someone we can trust for more than 1 game at a time. What if STU gets hurt.
3) Matt Murray from Milwaukee Admirals for Colin and a B prospect. Closer and better than Rodrigue.
4) Noah Cates for J. Skins. Yes I know Jeff has to agree. Noah has alot of experience at centre as well and can spell Ryan as well replace a lot of Janmark.

Net increase in Cap = 0.

Trading assets for a goalie almost 27 years old that is a marginal improvement on Rodrigue is a dumb idea

 

[CanadasTeam99]

A superstar Russian player in Edmonton. What could go wrong. Kucherov signs with a sunbelt team the second he hits UFA if he played in Edmonton.

Yup. I honestly do not want to touch Russians and Americans if we can avoid them for the most part.

I know you cannot paint them all in the same brush, but I would not risk it for anybody that is deemed important.

Most people are not Blake Coleman. Russians love their bling and big cities

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I really wonder how these NYR prospects would take off on another team. A team that doesn't import all their stars through Free Agency. Like if Kakko went to CBJ, he's tasting Top 6 minutes and PP1 time all the time as they invest in their 2nd overall pick and give him the opportunity to grow into a franchise player.

This sounds exactly like Puljujarvi

 

[North]

You can’t take any value precedents from any move the Rangers do this season.

Drury is in full panic mode and he f***ed his team with how they handled Trouba and how Laviolette handled Kakko.

Somehow they’ve become the biggest tire fire in a league that includes the Buffalo Sabres.

Drury’s handling of Goodrow and Trouba has probably soured the players.

He could pull that on the rest of them and they know it.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

And you wonder why people laugh at your overreactions

If Georgiev was traded for future considerations he would have complained that we weren't in on the future considerations.

 

[TheNumber4]

This sounds exactly like Puljujarvi

Welp, with McDrai always being here, it's going to be tough for Forward prospects to find instant opportunity. Let's hope when Savoie is ready we handle it differently. Not to say a different handling would have worked for Pool, but the oppurtunity to see ice time and PP time should still be there if you want your high drafted forwards to hit the NHL running.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Welp, with McDrai always being here, it's going to be tough for Forward prospects to find instant opportunity. Let's hope when Savoie is ready we handle it differently. Not to say a different handling would have worked for Pool, but the oppurtunity to see ice time and PP time should still be there if you want your high drafted forwards to hit the NHL running.

I'm not sure how having 2 of the best centers in the NHL is going to hinder a winger prospect on a team that perpetually has bottom-6 wingers slotted into their top-6.

Might be a but of a chicken or the egg scenario. You need to show you can produce to be in the top-6, but you need icetime in the top-6 to produce. I don't think its unusual for top prospects to have to start on the 3rd line on teams that aren't tire fires. Stankoven has been just fine on Dallas' 3rd line for instance.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Nevermind

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Trading assets for a goalie almost 27 years old that is a marginal improvement on Rodrigue is a dumb idea

You follow goalies alot. I'm surprised. Its good to know. Can i get your ideas on Sergei Ivanov. I really like him too and would throw a fairly high draft pick at CBJ to get his signing rights. He is a couple years away at least though.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'm not sure how having 2 of the best centers in the NHL is going to hinder a winger prospect on a team that perpetually has bottom-6 wingers slotted into their top-6.

Might be a but of a chicken or the egg scenario. You need to show you can produce to be in the top-6, but you need icetime in the top-6 to produce. I don't think its unusual for top prospects to have to start on the 3rd line on teams that aren't tire fires.

It's moreso the long term contracts of Hyms and Nuge in relation to oppurtunity on PP1.

Technically Savoie is a center, but I see him as a Winger prospect too. It's true you have to "prove" yourself on lower lines but he doesn't strike me as a Bottom 6 player. And sometimes they do prove it but because your top 6 is so stacked they get demoted just as fast as they were promoted. On thinner teams there's more rope for them. Easier to bust into the Top 6 and stay there.

 

[NeverForget06]

Do you think we could get Ryan Lindgren if things continue going bad in NYR and is that a player we should be interested in? Short term rental - maybe the cap somehow works out in the summer

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Got a chance to listen to Kypreos today, though im not a fan of his hockey knowledge or the fact the sponsor of his program is a gambling site--oh well, but Billy Guerin was on today. If you filter out the crap and read between the lines a bit he said (and im paraphrasing) that there is a lot of chatter amongst GMs right now. This is earlier than ususal isn;t it? Lots of potential movement for January.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

It's moreso the long term contracts of Hyms and Nuge in relation to oppurtunity on PP1.

Technically Savoie is a center, but I see him as a Winger prospect too. It's true you have to "prove" yourself on lower lines but he doesn't strike me as a Bottom 6 player. And sometimes they do prove it but because your top 6 is so stacked they get demoted just as fast as they were promoted. On thinner teams there's more rope for them. Easier to bust into the Top 6 and stay there.

Yeah I agree. If Savoie is coming up, he should be glued to the top-6 for a decent chunk of games. The way he has to earn it though is by producing at a high level at the AHL. Which he isn't. If he can't at that level, he's not going to be able to at the NHL level.