Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[ChaoticOrange]

That would be a massive overpay.

McCarron is worth a 6th at most

 

[Bryanbryoil]

McCarron is worth a 6th at most

I'm not sure what his exact value would be but I'd guess a 4th or 5th.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

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I f***in hate Seravalli man. A 2nd for a guy with two goals in 46 games? Pacing for 12 points over a full 82 game season? Jesus christ.

I'm sure Kane will be out until playoffs. I cannot confirm this, but let's use some freaking logic here.

If we do end up adding a bottom 6 player ONLY then management should be Hanged. Vegas can find a way every year and we can't?

 

[VeteranPresence]

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I f***in hate Seravalli man. A 2nd for a guy with two goals in 46 games? Pacing for 12 points over a full 82 game season? Jesus christ.

Well for starters Frank's an idiot, Arvidsson does not have an NTC.

BUT the sad thing is I can see Bowman doing this and only this and then patting himself on the back for a deadline well done. If we take his words and actions at face value, we're not getting a top four D, a goalie upgrade, or a top six forward. That leaves "depth", AKA trash like McCarron who isn't pushing anyone out of the lineup except for maybe our 11th or 12th best forward.

There's very little to be optimistic about when it comes to the playoffs. The entire org got a close up look at where they are inadequate last summer, and their response was to somehow make the team worse. What a clown show.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Well for starters Frank's an idiot, Arvidsson does not have an NTC.

BUT the sad thing is I can see Bowman doing this and only this and then patting himself on the back for a deadline well done. If we take his words and actions at face value, we're not getting a top four D, a goalie upgrade, or a top six forward. That leaves "depth", AKA trash like McCarron who isn't pushing anyone out of the lineup except for maybe our 11th or 12th best forward.

There's very little to be optimistic about when it comes to the playoffs. The entire org got a close up look at where they are inadequate last summer, and their response was to make the team worse. What a clown show.

JJ had a good idea for the offseason, but once Debrusk decided not to come here it all went to shit.

We need to wait to judge Bowman's TDL. We seriously cannot believe that the plan is to add only a bottom 6 player. I'm sure Kane will be out until playoffs.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Paying a ton for McCann if Seattle is willing would be the move I'd make. We NEED another top 6 winger. He's young, he can skate, score, he has 2 years left and a great cap hit.

He's the exact player we need to add in the offseason. 1st, Savoie, Plus

 

[Fourier]

I'm sure Kane will be out until playoffs. I cannot confirm this, but let's use some freaking logic here.

If we do end up adding a bottom 6 player ONLY then management should be Hanged. Vegas can find a way every year and we can't?

It's not a question of logic though. In many ways it is up to Kane. Unlike a guy like Stone, he seems to be a guy who badly wants to be playing. He posted about being back on the ice recently. I still think he will be out for the season, but I am less sure today than I was three weeks ago.

 

[powerserge]

I'm sure Kane will be out until playoffs. I cannot confirm this, but let's use some freaking logic here.

If we do end up adding a bottom 6 player ONLY then management should be Hanged. Vegas can find a way every year and we can't?

Unfortunately the logic is we are not Tampa or Vegas. Just because they can get away with it does not mean we can.

Bettman forgiving Lehner's 5 million dollar contract to give them yet another freebie is an insult to injury for all NHL teams, not just us.

Not sure if Kane will be back, he is skating but Landeskog has been skating for awhile now. Kuch was skating for 2 months before he was ready just in time for the playoffs. Stone yet another. Leafs got away with Matt Murray, sitting him out with LTIR, so it can be done.

Kane has had several major surgeries so impossible to fake. We also need to realize that Kane may never be the same player when he does play or it can take him a year + to find most of his game like we saw with Brown last year. So many unknowns.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

It's not a question of logic though. In many ways it is up to Kane. Unlike a guy like Stone, he seems to be a guy who badly wants to be playing. He posted about being back on the ice recently. I still think he will be out for the season, but I am less sure today than I was three weeks ago.

Yep if Kane tells the doctor he feels good to go there’s not much the Oilers can do about it.

Kane coming back with like 10 games left at 50% would be pretty annoying though.

 

[bucks_oil]

Yes, that's the main reason. Drai was getting torched when he was centering his own line because he could barely skate, he was a liability, which continued even on the McDavid line. You don't remember this? It was a huge talking point during the playoffs and obvious when watching him play.

My friend, I literally posted all the goals the depth scored. I don't know what else to say and why you're not understanding the facts laid out.
Just seems like we're going round and round and ending up in the same spot for some reason.
You said the depth didn't score enough and I showed literal facts of them scoring plenty so I'm not sure what else I can say to change your mind.

My contention is that the top guys disappeared in the games they lost in the finals which is the main reason they lost, and Skinner giving up a cream puff to Reinhart in Game 7. No team is winning SC finals games when your top 2 players score 1 point in 3 games. The only two goals scored in the 3 losses in Florida was Ekholm and Janmark.

And @guymez

I honestly think you guys are saying nearly the same thing.

You would both agree that when McDrai didn't score, we didn't win.

Was that because of a lack of depth scoring? From the box scores it looks like the answer was "depends on the night". The fact of the matter is that we got more offense from our depth than we expected, because any reasonable person would not have been expecting much. And maybe that's what's causing the argument...

@CupofOil is happy with that contribution, it was certainly much improved vs regular season... but @guymez recognizes it still wasn't enough. Both can be true.

From where I stand, these things are true:

• Our top end offensive talent did not dominate and win that series
• Our ~sophomore starting goaltender was narrowly out-dueled by a playoff experienced Vezina winner
• Our team defense was narrowly out-dueled by one of the NHL's best defensive teams

To me,

• One of those things is surprisingly disappointing given the investment & prioritization of our team structure
• One of those things is completely predictable given the investment & prioritization of our team structure
• And the last of those things is also entirely predictable even if it was closer than expected

In the end, Florida's top-end talent sawed off our top end talent. Florida's depth on offense narrowly edged ours. And Florida's goaltending and defense narrowly edged ours. It really could have gone either way.

 

[Fourier]

Yep if Kane tells the doctor he feels good to go there’s not much the Oilers can do about it.

Kane coming back with like 10 games left at 50% would be pretty annoying though.

I'd be less annoyed if there was some guarantee that those 10 games would get him to a point where he was peak Kane. But I doubt that would be the case. They really could use his cap space so I hope they figure this out.

 

[bucks_oil]

It's not a question of logic though. In many ways it is up to Kane. Unlike a guy like Stone, he seems to be a guy who badly wants to be playing. He posted about being back on the ice recently. I still think he will be out for the season, but I am less sure today than I was three weeks ago.

I'd much rather he stays out and does us a solid, gaming the system just a bit... but I agree that him posting that he's back on the ice likely means this hasn't really entered his thinking, which is disappointing... its on management if they haven't discretely explained the implications to him.

Having said that, the silver lining is... if Kane comes back healthy, he's a huge "deadline" add. If he's not, we add someone... we only get screwed if he comes back and isn't healthy, hopefully if it's still touch and go at the deadline, someone talks some sense into him.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Arvidsson, Henrique, and/or Skinner need to go if Kane isn’t going to play ball. We can’t let (wasted) cap be the reason Bowman does nothing significant at the deadline. He and Jackson got themselves into this predicament, they can get themselves out of it or look for new jobs in June.

 

[oXo Cube]

Meanwhile Theodore is already 'out until the playoffs' according to Friedman.

Cannot make this shit up lol

 

[Oilers88]

One thing I keep noticing on Oilers Now from Stauffer is that even he is clueless on Evander Kane and he seems to get upset whenever he brings him up. I wonder what’s going on there

In an episode of Oilers Now sometime in the middle of August, Stauffer was talking about Knoblauch. A texter wrote in to complain that he wished Knoblauch had more of an edge, and Stauffer responded that while Knoblauch displays a calm outward demeanor, he also can have an edge if he is pushed, and that Evander Kane "learned that the hard way this season". He then added with respect to Kane "if you insist you are healthy enough to play, you should be healthy enough to practice. You can't have it both ways".

Listening to that kind of made me wonder. The whole Kane injury situation never made sense to me. Kane said he suffered the hernia early in the year, but preferred to try and rehab instead of going for surgery. It kept getting worse and worse, and in the playoffs he didn't look at all like himself. Logic would dictate that if his injury kept getting worse, come the new year he should have had the surgery and gone on LTIR until the playoffs. That would have made him healthier, and given us cap space to be a bigger buyer. It kind of sounds like the player didn't want to do that. If on top of everything, he insisted on playing, but started skipping practices because he was injured, I could see why the organization would be pissed.

Now this year, every time I hear Kane talk about his injury, it's always "I'm a quick healer" and "I want to play". I always assume that this is posturing in the media, but what if what he says publicly is actually what he's saying behind closed doors. That would help to explain why the Oilers seem so in the dark about his injury situation, and why there might be some frustration.

 

[McHelpus]

Easily the worst possible outcome is if Stan Bowman has a press conference claiming a healthy Kane returning and signing Klingberg was our deadline.

 

[soothsayer]

Meanwhile Theodore is already 'out until the playoffs' according to Friedman.

Cannot make this shit up lol

They need to be investigated once and for all if he's back day 1 of the playoffs. I hate that shitty team.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Meanwhile Theodore is already 'out until the playoffs' according to Friedman.

Cannot make this shit up lol

The NHL needs to get more of these Dr's Vegas has. These guys are always bang on with their return dates. Elite doctors.

 

[belair]

Easily the worst possible outcome is if Stan Bowman has a press conference claiming a healthy Kane returning and signing Klingberg was our deadline.

Pretty good chance that Kane won't be back until the Conference Finals or later. He hasn't even been able to train properly because of his surgery.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I remember the narrative that the reason the Oilers didn't sign Broberg/Holloway was cause they wanted to accrue cap space throughout the year and land another top 4 defender or some other "big fish" at the TDL

it better not be just "nibbling around the edges" cause it makes not re-signing them look even worse than it already does

 

[Fourier]

I'd much rather he stays out and does us a solid, gaming the system just a bit... but I agree that him posting that he's back on the ice likely means this hasn't really entered his thinking, which is disappointing... its on management if they haven't discretely explained the implications to him.

Having said that, the silver lining is... if Kane comes back healthy, he's a huge "deadline" add. If he's not, we add someone... we only get screwed if he comes back and isn't healthy, hopefully if it's still touch and go at the deadline, someone talks some sense into him.

I fully agree with all of your points! Though Kane staying out until the playoffs is almost a necessity I'd say. Not surprisingly Vegas almost for sure have Theodore out until day 1 so they will be adding something significant. To stay competitive in the market the Oilers need that cap space.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I remember the narrative that the reason the Oilers didn't sign Broberg/Holloway was cause they wanted to accrue cap space throughout the year and land another top 4 defender or some other "big fish" at the TDL

it better not be just "nibbling around the edges" cause it makes not re-signing them look even worse than it already does

We didn’t pay them because at the time they weren’t worth that money. Not paying Holloway was a mistake. I think he exceeded everyone’s expectations. Hindsight though.

Not paying Broberg was not a mistake. He stinks.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'm not sure what his exact value would be but I'd guess a 4th or 5th.

From a points per game perspective, he is 432nd in the NHL among forwards. Dead heat with Derek Ryan at 0.15 - and he's worse at faceoffs than Ryan.

If Nashville gets any positive return at all, they've made out like bandits.

We didn’t pay them because at the time they weren’t worth that money. Not paying Holloway was a mistake. I think he exceeded everyone’s expectations. Hindsight though.

Not paying Broberg was not a mistake. He stinks.

I said from the get go that letting Broberg walk and keeping Holloway was the move. Sigh.

 

[Oilhawks]

Meanwhile Theodore is already 'out until the playoffs' according to Friedman.

Cannot make this shit up lol

Sports media rushing to carry water for Vegas each spring

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

We didn’t pay them because at the time they weren’t worth that money. Not paying Holloway was a mistake. I think he exceeded everyone’s expectations. Hindsight though.

Not paying Broberg was not a mistake. He stinks.

of course it was an overpay at the time, but good GMs know that eventually be worth it....but accruing cap space only to turn around and not bring in a sizable piece for the playoff run is the better option instead (if that occurs)

And Broberg doesn't "stink", plays 20 min/night, a plus player, is 2nd on the team in EV goal differential for d-men...that's a valuable asset, certainly worth more than a 2nd rounder