Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Can anyone with a better understanding of the fancies please outline who we should be targeting in net?

It sounds like Gibson is an obvious target. Vejmelka has been discussed but we have to see if Utah are sellers or if they can re-sign him. Lyon would be an upgrade but Detroit probably aren't sellers.

Who is out there that the fancies could lead us to? Is Soderblom worth taking a risk on?

What is really going to happen is we are going to ride or die with Skinner and Picard.

It sounds like Gibson is not a target.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Agreed and will definitely be interesting to see Skinner with Drai or in the top 6, looks like the effort is elevated, he's playing better D so he deserves more ice time. Think the message was sent by Knobs that this isn't Buffalo and you can't coast on this team, you can't just expect to score goals and do none of the little things. He's coming from a bad culture, hopefully he has gotten the message.

Yup, you can totally see it in his play and his fancies. And I'll bet he might be surprised at how more he get done on the ice playing the right way. Those two, Drai and Skinner, seem like they'll really compliment each other.

The deadline will be very interesting for this team, really depends on Kane's 'health" lol

 

[ManofSteel55]

What is really going to happen is we are going to ride or die with Skinner and Picard.

It sounds like Gibson is not a target.

Liked for accuracy, not approval of the team direction.

 

[stewy04]

I love what Frank Seravalli said when it came to when people say the know they know what the NYI are going to do. "Only Lou Lamerillo and and God, know what the Islanders are going to do"

Him and god should be close these days!

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

What is really going to happen is we are going to ride or die with Skinner and Picard.

It sounds like Gibson is not a target.

I disagree that the team is just sold on Skinner and Pickard. I think they're willing "accept" that has the option, but I do honestly think they're looking at improving that position.

I get we all like to pretend they don't see these goals against from Stu and Pickles, but they really do, and they have concerns, much more than the previous regime, imo.

 

[Canovin]

I would be thrilled with adding Rakell at 25% off with a broker and Vejmelka at 50% off. Go with the Stuart-Vejmelka tandem. If Stuart sucks again in the playoffs. Package him for Gibson in the offseason

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

He played them on the same line because Drai couldn't run his own line due to being severely injured, he could barely move in the latter half of the Dallas series and beyond so he needed to be sheltered.

I don't know why you're not acknowledging that the depth didn't score enough.

Here are the goals in that series from non-McDrai lines...
Game 3 - Broberg, Foegele, McLeod (and btw, McDrai had 0 goals and 3 points combined in the first 3 games)
Game 4 - Holloway scored twice, Janmark, Henrique, McLeod and Nurse all scored.
Game 5 - That was a McDavid game but Brown also scored and it was a big one to set the tone in that game
Game 6 - Henrique, Foegele, McLeod, Nurse
Game 7 - Janmark (only goal of the game)

That's a lot of depth guys on the scoresheet. The Oilers lost that series, and the Cup, because they got hardly anything from their top guys in the losses and they were outgoalied in a few of the games with Game 7 being the most notable one.

Even in the playoffs as a whole, Henrique had 4 goals, 7 points and was +3
Janmark had 4 goals, 8 points and was a +6
Brown had 2 goals, 6 points in 19 games and was a +4.
All huge parts of a historically good PK as well

McLeod was poor especially in the Florida series but he scored some goals, Holloway was good, Foegele was really good in the Florida series.

The depth did their part and were especially instrumental in the last two series.

Let's keep in mind that the bolded guys are also now gone.

We currently have a serious depth scoring issue outside of McDrai. It's the single biggest need on our team right now. Thankfully management does know this. It's part of the reason we decided to try out Klingberg. (save our assets)

Losing Holloway has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Holloway is not an upgrade on the old players. He would have been an addition to the old players. We could have matched if we wanted to but that puts the team at 20 man roster. He is where he should be, playing on a bottom feeder playing for garbage time points.

It's going to be a rude awakening once he finds out it's a lot tougher to climb out of the bottom. This kid is going to be playing at the bottom his entire 20s

This screams sour grapes. If he's being truthful, the Oilers never even tried to negotiate with him over the summer. I don't blame the kid for signing an offer sheet with a team that wants him, over a team with management that isn't talking to him, and just signed two veteran wingers to take the spots you were hoping to win in training camp. The Oilers messed up with Holloway. Big time. They also should have matched, and a lot of that is hindsight, I was fine with it at the time, but after seeing his production this year, its apparent that we should have matched that offer sheet. He's worth way more than a 3rd right now. Letting him walk because he "didn't want to be here" is childish, immature and unprofessional.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I would be thrilled with adding Rakell at 25% off with a broker and Vejmelka at 50% off. Go with the Stuart-Vejmelka tandem. If Stuart sucks again in the playoffs. Package him for Gibson in the offseason

Perfect, I wonder if flipping out Arvidsson and getting Rakell in makes that easier (I do like Arvy). But I'm with you, if you can get Vejmelka, go get him. Please.

 

[powerserge]

What is really going to happen is we are going to ride or die with Skinner and Picard.

It sounds like Gibson is not a target.

Hope not.

But let's face it, if Kane comes back early (during the season) he will be our deadline addition, we might have enough space to add one more smaller piece and that's it. Unless money in/out.

Wish we knew what was going on with Kane. Maybe after this 2 week break we will. If Kane is out then we can spend. I like the idea of Gibson and Dumoulin as nice deadline adds to bolster the team. This only happens if Kane is out which is why for now as Seravalli said it's all cold water.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Nice work from the Stars here imo.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I disagree that the team is just sold on Skinner and Pickard. I think they're willing "accept" that has the option, but I do honestly think they're looking at improving that position.

I get we all like to pretend they don't see these goals against from Stu and Pickles, but they really do, and they have concerns, much more than the previous regime, imo.

If they are doing their job, they are always trying to improve every position. Where their job gets complicated, is when it comes down to deciding what the priority is. Is it more important to upgrade on S. Skinner, or Klingberg/Stecher? Is it more important to improve on one of those spots, or find some additional goal scoring, as the guys we brought in to score aren't doing it.

It's sad to me that I can't shake the thought that we would have been better off without doing any of the moves we made this summer except the Ceci trade. Skinner and Arvidsson out, McLeod, Holloway and Foegele still here. A lot more speed, and likely a lot more goals, if we would have just been patient with our young guys. Although I'm assuming that Foegele had any interest in re-signing here at all.

 

[Canovin]

This screams sour grapes. If he's being truthful, the Oilers never even tried to negotiate with him over the summer. I don't blame the kid for signing an offer sheet with a team that wants him, over a team with management that isn't talking to him, and just signed two veteran wingers to take the spots you were hoping to win in training camp. The Oilers messed up with Holloway. Big time. They also should have matched, and a lot of that is hindsight, I was fine with it at the time, but after seeing his production this year, its apparent that we should have matched that offer sheet. He's worth way more than a 3rd right now. Letting him walk because he "didn't want to be here" is childish, immature and unprofessional.

Not really sourgrapes. More like sending a message. Take the offersheet and go play elsewhere while others took a discount to play on one of the best team in the league.

Holloway was also offered an extension in the winter.

Perfect, I wonder if flipping out Arvidsson and getting Rakell in makes that easier (I do like Arvy). But I'm with you, if you can get Vejmelka, go get him. Please.

I believe Rakell at 25% retained fits under the cap even with Arvid on the team.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I disagree that the team is just sold on Skinner and Pickard. I think they're willing "accept" that has the option, but I do honestly think they're looking at improving that position.

I get we all like to pretend they don't see these goals against from Stu and Pickles, but they really do, and they have concerns, much more than the previous regime, imo.

I'm with everyone here that I don't believe Stu is consistent enough. So I'll set the record straight with that.

I was told Gibson is not a target anymore. Karel Vejmelka makes more sense, but I'm sure the price is sky high? Also what's with the poster here who wanted to reach out to the mods saying a Gibson deal is done? How can you say that stuff when it's not happening.

I also strongly believe this money in and money out thing is BS. Closer to the deadline I'm sure we find out that Kane is out long term.

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[Jimmi McJenkins]

If they are doing their job, they are always trying to improve every position. Where their job gets complicated, is when it comes down to deciding what the priority is. Is it more important to upgrade on S. Skinner, or Klingberg/Stecher? Is it more important to improve on one of those spots, or find some additional goal scoring, as the guys we brought in to score aren't doing it.

It's sad to me that I can't shake the thought that we would have been better off without doing any of the moves we made this summer except the Ceci trade. Skinner and Arvidsson out, McLeod, Holloway and Foegele still here. A lot more speed, and likely a lot more goals, if we would have just been patient with our young guys. Although I'm assuming that Foegele had any interest in re-signing here at all.

lolz, yeah no, despite some of the struggles, this team is better than last year. And getting Savoie is massive for filling this roster without having to use a lot of cap space. Arvidsson needs to do more, but betting a veteran center like Henrique does make some sense and Skinner had to learn winning hockey.

Foegele is fine, I don't miss him. I do miss McLeod, but that's a deal you have to make, with the prospect pool and the center depth here after. Skinner isn't Holloway, but if he were in STL, I suspect he'd be closer to Dylan's totals, the point about him getting points on a non-playoff team is a bit of sour grapes, but it's also the reality. The Oilers are vastly deeper and better team then STL.

The team can do whatever it wants, it just comes at a cost. "Assuming" Kane is out until the playoffs, improving the goaltending, the forwards and adding depth on the defense (which all they need imo), is all completely doable, "assuming" there are reasonable partners.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I'm with everyone here that I don't believe Stu is consistent enough. So I'll set the record straight with that.

I was told Gibson is not a target anymore. Karel Vejmelka makes more sense, but I'm sure the price is sky high? Also what's with the poster here who wanted to reach out to the mods saying a Gibson deal is done? How can you say that stuff when it's not happening.

I also strongly believe this money in and money out thing is BS. Closer to the deadline I'm sure we find out that Kane is out long term.

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That's fair, I would pay a high price for Vejmelka, if he comes in and has 5 good starts with consistency, I would be fine with the team re-signing him for 3 yrs, which still fits the cap, him being worthy of re-signing offsets the higher cost.

I think not looking at Gibson makes some sense, because they worry about his health and his decline. Like Carolina has been much more desperate for a goalie than Edmonton (imo), and they haven't brought him in, so the jury around the league must out a bit too.

 

[Canovin]

That's fair, I would pay a high price for Vejmelka, if he comes in and has 5 good starts with consistency, I would be fine with the team re-signing him for 3 yrs, which still fits the cap, him being worthy of re-signing offsets the higher cost.

I think not looking at Gibson makes some sense, because they worry about his health and his decline. Like Carolina has been much more desperate for a goalie than Edmonton (imo), and they haven't brought him in, so the jury around the league must out a bit too.

Gibson to Carolina would mean Rantanen won't be signing.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Gibson to Carolina would mean Rantanen won't be signing.

No it doesn't, it would be tough at full rate, but, lol, he's going with a retention anywhere (whether the Ducks like it or not)

$6M of Hall, $2.8M of Roslovic, $7.75M of Orlov, $5.28M of Burns and $3.4M of Andersen are coming off the books, they'll have space.

Plus buying out Kotkaniemi would save them almost $4M on the cap as well.

They will have to bring other players in, but their cap is in a reasonable spot.

 

[McJadeddog]

Not really sourgrapes. More like sending a message. Take the offersheet and go play elsewhere while others took a discount to play on one of the best team in the league.

Holloway was also offered an extension in the winter.

I believe Rakell at 25% retained fits under the cap even with Arvid on the team.

I have wanted Rakell for a long, long time. He is a very good secondary scoring player, who fancies have been solid for a long time. Unfortunately, I don't see having the assets to get him though, especially with any retention. Somebody will offer the Pens at least a 1st rounder for him, no doubt in my mind.

 

[Canovin]

I have wanted Rakell for a long, long time. He is a very good secondary scoring player, who fancies have been solid for a long time. Unfortunately, I don't see having the assets to get him though, especially with any retention. Somebody will offer the Pens at least a 1st rounder for him, no doubt in my mind.

I would trade the 2025 1st and 2nd for Rakell. That would mean we would be without a 1st until 2027. The Oilers wouldn't need to add much to the existing rosters in the next 2 seasons with Rakell and Vejmelka, and Savoie, OReilly, Akey.

 

[Arpeggio]

If Kane comes back in late March, I would be so pissed off. There's no reason for him to come back for like 10 games, surely he recognizes this. Doing that would be such a selfish move.

 

[Soundwave]

I'm kinda iffy on Rakell. He's on the wrong side of 30 for a forward and has a lot of term left on his deal.

Good player though. Spending another 1st on him though leaves the D and goaltending still in need, and man would it suck if it turns out he doesn't have much chemistry with McDavid or Draisaitl either.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I f***in hate Seravalli man. A 2nd for a guy with two goals in 46 games? Pacing for 12 points over a full 82 game season? Jesus christ.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

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I f***in hate Seravalli man. A 2nd for a guy with two goals in 46 games? Pacing for 12 points over a full 82 game season? Jesus christ.

That would be a massive overpay.

 

[Soundwave]

Pretty sure Arvidsson does not have a NTC/NMC.