Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Jarvi]

This reads like someone who follows the team just close enough to complain, but not close enough to actually know what's going on.

This reads like someone who is too arrogant to admit mistakes. All snark, no substance.

Skinner and Rico have some justification for lower production. Arvidsson is paid the most of those 3 though, and has been given the most opportunity, and with that opportunity he has accomplished very little. Holloway might not have produced as much here as on the blues, he also might have broken out and produced more. That's an unknown, I guess. But ask any GM in the league, except ours I suppose, and they would all take Holloway 10/10 over Arvidsson.

Even Skinner, why bring him in if they were going to try and reinvent his game through scratching him and playing him on the 4th line?

So please explain, what's this key information us tier 2 fans are missing that make those 2 great pickups, in place of the much younger and better producing Holloway?

 

[guymez]

This reads like someone who is too arrogant to admit mistakes. All snark, no substance.

Skinner and Rico have some justification for lower production. Arvidsson is paid the most of those 3 though, and has been given the most opportunity, and with that opportunity he has accomplished very little. Holloway might not have produced as much here as on the blues, he also might have broken out and produced more. That's an unknown, I guess. But ask any GM in the league, except ours I suppose, and they would all take Holloway 10/10 over Arvidsson.

Even Skinner, why bring him in if they were going to try and reinvent his game through scratching him and playing him on the 4th line?

So please explain, what's this key information us tier 2 fans are missing that make those 2 great pickups, in place of the much younger and better producing Holloway?

I havent seen the entire discussion but in the above post you make some valid points.

Interesting to see the responses (via emojis) that attempt to dismiss what you are saying.

 

[TB12]

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[Heavy Dee]

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[jukon]

While it's probably driving fans crazy, it's a bit of fresh air to see a GM hold his cards close to his chest. Ken Holland was an open book, every GM in the league could take advantage of him. We still obviously need a goalie, but Bowman says we are fine.

I wonder if we are really even looking for a depth LD. Regula has experience in the left side and should be a fine stand in for the third pair of necessary. If he doesn't stay on our roster we will almost certainly lost him back to Boston.

As it stands, if Klingberg can even be half as good as he was in Dallas, we don't need to add anyone on the back end.

 

[FlameChampion]

While it's probably driving fans crazy, it's a bit of fresh air to see a GM hold his cards close to his chest. Ken Holland was an open book, every GM in the league could take advantage of him. We still obviously need a goalie, but Bowman says we are fine.

I wonder if we are really even looking for a depth LD. Regula has experience in the left side and should be a fine stand in for the third pair of necessary. If he doesn't stay on our roster we will almost certainly lost him back to Boston.

As it stands, if Klingberg can even be half as good as he was in Dallas, we don't need to add anyone on the back end.

Eh, I disagree.

Holland talked a lot while saying nothing. He generally downplayed what he was going to do. I don’t think Holland revealed much but I also don’t think he really had much of a plan either.

Bowman is different though. He doesn’t talk much. I have no idea what he’s going to do but I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t know what hes going to do either. Priorities may change closer to deadline.

 

[jukon]

Can anyone with a better understanding of the fancies please outline who we should be targeting in net?

It sounds like Gibson is an obvious target. Vejmelka has been discussed but we have to see if Utah are sellers or if they can re-sign him. Lyon would be an upgrade but Detroit probably aren't sellers.

Who is out there that the fancies could lead us to? Is Soderblom worth taking a risk on?

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

2022-23 Stuart Skinner: Fool you once.
2023-24 Stuart Skinner: Fool you twice.
2024-25 Stuart Skinner: ....

2022-23 Stuart Skinner: 24 years old. Saved our season from the epic failure that was Jack Campbell.

2023-24 Stuart Skinner: 25 years old went to game 7 of the Stanley cup finals

2024-25 Stuart Skinner -.....

 

[McTonyBrar]

One thing I keep noticing on Oilers Now from Stauffer is that even he is clueless on Evander Kane and he seems to get upset whenever he brings him up. I wonder what’s going on there

 

[Oilhawks]

One thing I keep noticing on Oilers Now from Stauffer is that even he is clueless on Evander Kane and he seems to get upset whenever he brings him up. I wonder what’s going on there

My guess is Stauffer is hangry and isn't getting enough Mediterranean Chicken Pizza lately

 

[McHelpus]

My guess is Stauffer is hangry and isn't getting enough Mediterranean Chicken Pizza lately

Or it could be indigestion

 

[David71]

oilers gonna need another lefty defenseman. someone big. and another scorer i think. depth forward. should come back in the finals somehow and possibly a goalie. john gibson is the only name out there avaliable.

 

[Jumptheshark]

vloggers and other wannabe "insiders" are really desperate to come up with a trade. Some of the stuff they are coming up with is funny

 

[Jumptheshark]

I love what Frank Seravalli said when it came to when people say the know they know what the NYI are going to do. "Only Lou Lamerillo and and God, know what the Islanders are going to do"

 

[Liberated]

2022-23 Stuart Skinner: 24 years old. Saved our season from the epic failure that was Jack Campbell.

2023-24 Stuart Skinner: 25 years old went to game 7 of the Stanley cup finals

2024-25 Stuart Skinner -.....

22-23 Campbell only get sent down over skinner because of his contract and the fear that someone might grab skinner. Their numbers at the time of camnpbell going down weren't very different. It isn't as though Skinner knocked it out of the park and won the job.

23-24 Skinner had another poor start wavered again near the deadline to the point people were discussing bringing in a legitamate goalie option, faultered in playoffs and was outplayed by even people like cam talbot in L.A. even though a person could find stats to the contrary if they were invested in doing.

24-25 To start the season looked to be one of the worst starters in the league for the first 15-20 games of the season, not a small sample size. Recently has faultered once again.

Continues to lose his net, play to deep in his net, mishandle the puck, fall on his belly on a cross crease play, lack agility and mobilty.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that Skinner isn't a great option for us in net and if we are able to win a cup with him in net it will not due to having him in net but in spite of having him in net. Notice in our wins how often we have to overcome bad goals against or comeback from being down. That is an exhausting style of hockey. Imagine our team we were weren't clawing and fighting to comeback for 80% of most games. Very taxing on our elite players.

 

[FlameChampion]

One thing I keep noticing on Oilers Now from Stauffer is that even he is clueless on Evander Kane and he seems to get upset whenever he brings him up. I wonder what’s going on there

Well hopefully Kane plays along even if he’s ready to return before the playoffs

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

One thing I keep noticing on Oilers Now from Stauffer is that even he is clueless on Evander Kane and he seems to get upset whenever he brings him up. I wonder what’s going on there

He and they might be playing it very close to the Vest.

 

[foshizzle]

Nah, didn't get that vibe at all.

Hopefully I didn't come as prickly or anything in my response, wasn't my intent.

Not at all!

 

[frag2]

22-23 Campbell only get sent down over skinner because of his contract and the fear that someone might grab skinner. Their numbers at the time of camnpbell going down weren't very different. It isn't as though Skinner knocked it out of the park and won the job.

23-24 Skinner had another poor start wavered again near the deadline to the point people were discussing bringing in a legitamate goalie option, faultered in playoffs and was outplayed by even people like cam talbot in L.A. even though a person could find stats to the contrary if they were invested in doing.

24-25 To start the season looked to be one of the worst starters in the league for the first 15-20 games of the season, not a small sample size. Recently has faultered once again.

Continues to lose his net, play to deep in his net, mishandle the puck, fall on his belly on a cross crease play, lack agility and mobilty.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that Skinner isn't a great option for us in net and if we are able to win a cup with him in net it will not due to having him in net but in spite of having him in net. Notice in our wins how often we have to overcome bad goals against or comeback from being down. That is an exhausting style of hockey. Imagine our team we were weren't clawing and fighting to comeback for 80% of most games. Very taxing on our elite players.

Kind of reads like Grubauer's report card lol
Generally good enough to get you to the dance but tends to let you down with inconsistency

 

[powerserge]

This reads like someone who follows the team just close enough to complain, but not close enough to actually know what's going on.

Been a true fan since the inception. Know you are a mod but why assume where I'm coming from. These guys were signed as upgrades to the old players, not to be role players. Skinner may get 20 goals if he plays and gets hot. Arv and Rico what 10-12 goal pace? Not really good enough secondary scoring which was the objective in upgrading to Arv/Skinner/Rico and paying 10 million to do so.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Been a true fan since the inception. Know you are a mod but why assume where I'm coming from. These guys were signed as upgrades to the old players, not to be role players. Skinner may get 20 goals if he plays and gets hot. Arv and Rico what 10-12 goal pace? Not really good enough secondary scoring which was the objective in upgrading to Arv/Skinner/Rico and paying 10 million to do so.

Yup, didn't work out as intended, though this Skinner-Draisaitl combo will be interesting to watch down the stretch. That's the risk with UFAs and treating your RFAs as after thoughts.

They need more from Arvidsson and continued growth from Skinner, but the team is a in a very good place overall. Henrique as a defacto 4th line center isn't "great", but that's a hell of option to have there, much better than Derek Ryan.

I think the attitude of the treating the current situation of Holloway's break out in top-line minutes in STL and the struggles of the UFAs at just obvious and not realizing this hindsight is what rubs people the wrong way.

There's was little to suggest that Holloway was going to break out this much, just as there was little to suggest that Arvidsson was going to struggle this much (with the injury concern being reasonable).

It's why the Oilers are and should be looking at another forward.

 

[Canovin]

Been a true fan since the inception. Know you are a mod but why assume where I'm coming from. These guys were signed as upgrades to the old players, not to be role players. Skinner may get 20 goals if he plays and gets hot. Arv and Rico what 10-12 goal pace? Not really good enough secondary scoring which was the objective in upgrading to Arv/Skinner/Rico and paying 10 million to do so.

Holloway is not an upgrade on the old players. He would have been an addition to the old players. We could have matched if we wanted to but that puts the team at 20 man roster. He is where he should be, playing on a bottom feeder playing for garbage time points.

It's going to be a rude awakening once he finds out it's a lot tougher to climb out of the bottom. This kid is going to be playing at the bottom his entire 20s

 

[powerserge]

This reads like someone who is too arrogant to admit mistakes. All snark, no substance.

Skinner and Rico have some justification for lower production. Arvidsson is paid the most of those 3 though, and has been given the most opportunity, and with that opportunity he has accomplished very little. Holloway might not have produced as much here as on the blues, he also might have broken out and produced more. That's an unknown, I guess. But ask any GM in the league, except ours I suppose, and they would all take Holloway 10/10 over Arvidsson.

Even Skinner, why bring him in if they were going to try and reinvent his game through scratching him and playing him on the 4th line?

So please explain, what's this key information us tier 2 fans are missing that make those 2 great pickups, in place of the much younger and better producing Holloway?

Good post but we don't need to compare our former players. For the price is Arv/Skinner/Rico producing enough? They were signed as upgrades, more expensive, a chance to play with 2 of the best players in the world. Yet they haven't moved the needle much. Let's see if they do.

Skinner may be turning the corner
Rico just turned 35 so father time may be catching up
Arv definitely need more, good player, issue is he is injured as much or more than he plays

We've lost alot of speed, that's fine for the reg season, going to be missed in the playoffs. Kap is decent, he does replace some speed, need to make a few less mistakes though.

 

[ManofSteel55]

This reads like someone who is too arrogant to admit mistakes. All snark, no substance.

Skinner and Rico have some justification for lower production. Arvidsson is paid the most of those 3 though, and has been given the most opportunity, and with that opportunity he has accomplished very little. Holloway might not have produced as much here as on the blues, he also might have broken out and produced more. That's an unknown, I guess. But ask any GM in the league, except ours I suppose, and they would all take Holloway 10/10 over Arvidsson.

Even Skinner, why bring him in if they were going to try and reinvent his game through scratching him and playing him on the 4th line?

So please explain, what's this key information us tier 2 fans are missing that make those 2 great pickups, in place of the much younger and better producing Holloway?

I suspect Skinner's issues are caused by a lack of communication between Jackson and Knoblauch. Jackson saw the opportunity to go after a guy who has been a pretty good scorer at times in his career, at a fairly decent cap hit. Knoblauch doesn't like the way he plays, and that is apparent, and fair. At the start of the year, Skinner was too "pond hockey". He's come a long way since getting healthy scratched already. His point production actually hasn't been too bad considering how often he has been stapled to the bench or bottom six.

Arvidsson is frustrating. He's doing everything out there except converting, but we are paying him to convert. His shooting percentage is so low that you would think he breaks out of it at some point - he's coming back from a major back surgery this year after all. But he is still leaving us wanting more, and that is unfortunate.

I think Henriques production is somewhat surprising, but remember that he was basically a 50 point player getting top six minutes and powerplay time last year. He no longer gets significant powerplay time, and his use as only a bottom six player was bound to come with some point decreases. Seeing his production cut in half though, that's not comforting and I don't think anyone expected him to be on a 25 point pace at this point in the season.

A lot of this Holloway talk can be filed under "hindsight is 20-20". Nobody really knew what he was going to be this year. We knew what he was in the playoffs, and that was exciting. It was still a major flub for management to not have him locked up sooner after the playoffs. Losing Broberg, I mean, I suspect that was always going to happen one way or another, he lost trust in his bosses. He wasn't going to be here for long. But Holloway - we had a spot for him, we knew the tools he brought, and we knew what he showed in the playoffs. Letting him sit and stew as an RFA all summer while all of our cap space was eaten up by Arvidsson and Skinner was poor management for sure.

 

[powerserge]

Yup, didn't work out as intended, though this Skinner-Draisaitl combo will be interesting to watch down the stretch. That's the risk with UFAs and treating your RFAs as after thoughts.

They need more from Arvidsson and continued growth from Skinner, but the team is a in a very good place overall. Henrique as a defacto 4th line center isn't "great", but that's a hell of option to have there, much better than Derek Ryan.

I think the attitude of the treating the current situation of Holloway's break out in top-line minutes in STL and the struggles of the UFAs at just obvious and not realizing this hindsight is what rubs people the wrong way.

There's was little to suggest that Holloway was going to break out this much, just as there was little to suggest that Arvidsson was going to struggle this much (with the injury concern being reasonable).

It's why the Oilers are and should be looking at another forward.

Agreed and will definitely be interesting to see Skinner with Drai or in the top 6, looks like the effort is elevated, he's playing better D so he deserves more ice time. Think the message was sent by Knobs that this isn't Buffalo and you can't coast on this team, you can't just expect to score goals and do none of the little things. He's coming from a bad culture, hopefully he has gotten the message.