Ritchie Valens
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Is that where he is now? He’s lucky he found a coaching job anywhere in any kind of pro league.
That said and to his credit though, he seems to have moderate success in the AHL.
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That said and to his credit though, he seems to have moderate success in the AHL.
If they would have scored two more goals they could have won too.
If they would have only saved a couple goals from bc a previous game that they didn’t need!
TBH either Gibson retained or us shipping Skinner is the same same salary wise for the Ducks.
I do agree that it will cost a 1st plus Akey to get the deal done with retention plus adding the depth LHD
Ritchie Valens
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Looks like he tried the “swarm” in Anaheim ON THE PK!!
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Everyone outside of Edmonton thinks Skinner stinks…
No thanks, just sign him in the offseason if he's willing to sign here in the first place. I'm not emptying the farm system for a winger in his late 20s.
Now somebody like Dobson and we're talking.
This is how I view it as well and I'm far less optimistic about the Oilers' ability to make that trade without paying through the teeth or shooting themselves in the foot both short and long term.
The potential of Gibson finding his mid-20s form makes him an attractive asset, which is why Carolina has been doing the dance with Anaheim for the past three seasons. They're in a far better position to make that trade happen--especially if it happens in the summer. But Edmonton? That's a big ticket if he's not your starter.
The only way I end up with John Gibson if I'm Stan Bowman is if he falls into my lap.
Looks like he tried the “swarm” in Anaheim ON THE PK!!
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Behind Enemy Lines
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Ducks are loaded with young d-men so I don't see Akey going in a deal. I actually think the Oilers hold onto their small group of solid prospects Savoie, O'Reilly, and Akey. This will be about draft picks if the Oilers even step into a goaltender trade imo. And I don't see the Oilers giving up on Skinner.
There's no certainty with Gibson. The Ducks might waiver in their asking price to clear a long-standing 'good soldier' and move out some cap money. With big cap jumps expected, the retained bucks actually help them ensure they stay within the huge jump in cap ranges while they move out of rebuild stage.
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Had a random thought about Gibson today. Would you include Arvidsson in the deal to bring down the required retention and therefore the price?
Something like:
Gibson @ $5M
Brett Leason (replacement RWer. Big Alberta boy I've liked for a while. High IQ guy. I think he'd work well on this team)
for
Arvidsson
Lachance (I don't know. They seem to like big Americans)
2nd (would it need to be a 1st?)
Now you're pretty close to cap neutral and have the LTIR money to spend on wing and D.
Something like:
Gibson @ $5M
Brett Leason (replacement RWer. Big Alberta boy I've liked for a while. High IQ guy. I think he'd work well on this team)
for
Arvidsson
Lachance (I don't know. They seem to like big Americans)
2nd (would it need to be a 1st?)
Now you're pretty close to cap neutral and have the LTIR money to spend on wing and D.
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Eakins’ last year there, they allowed 4 goals a game on average, so no one should not be surprised Gibson’s numbers were sub .900 and he’s starting to rebound.
Here is a bonafide #1 starting goalie who has apparently stated he will waive his NTC for Edmonton and this management crew doesn’t sound like they’re interested (I hope it’s just cards being held close). It would be an incredible disservice to the team and fans to not improve the team. If Skinner was a .915-.920 goalie and was showing year over year improvement, then I could see no interest.
But Skinner is getting worse. .914/50 games in 22-23, .905/50 games in 23-24, .900/37 games this season, while the team defensively has improved.
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We've come a long way. Thank god.
I don't think you can trade Arvidsson for the reason that future free agents won't sign here. You can't treat your players like this.
We're a destination and we need to keep it that way.
I don't think Carolina is in the hunt for Gibson as much as people would think. They made their big move already in Rantanen + Hall.
They don't have a lot of cap space either, nor I don't think they have someone to LTIR the way we have Kane.
Finally though Frederik Andersen is now back and playing again and has a .914 this year. If that was the case for us, we wouldn't be looking for a goalie either.
They don't have a lot of cap space either, nor I don't think they have someone to LTIR the way we have Kane.
Finally though Frederik Andersen is now back and playing again and has a .914 this year. If that was the case for us, we wouldn't be looking for a goalie either.
this is actually hilarious. Look at Dubnyk's numbers before and after Eakins. 3 good years in Edmonton. Eakins comes in, numbers tank. Then he had a great 6yrs with the Wild.
That 4 straight years of awful play is pretty scary. But great rebound so far this year. I’d only want to do it if we kept Skinner and had them as a tandem.
The other bonus is if Gibson does well here, well then you can basically trade Skinner any time (in the summer?) and free up a chunk of cap space too.
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I agree 100%, and it never gets mentioned that often to be honest.
Acquiring players isn't easy via free agency. Convincing them, their families, talking up the team, the management, the city...everything. To give up not even a year in.....players, agents take note of that and it is not a good look. That element is there and should be considered when making deals.
As long as McDavid is here and the team is a threat to win the Cup, players will want to sign here.
I doubt anyone will say "I was going to sign but Viktor Arvidsson ....", it's not like we made 6 year commitment to Arvidsson anyway, he was signed for two years, it isn't looking like a fit.
AddyTheWrath
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The Marleau deal was in a flat cap and the Leafs got bent over a barrel because they had no other options. It’s hardly the same now, knowing that the cap is going up the way it is. In fact for some owners, having dead cap might be better than paying and managing players on the payroll
Completely disagree and so does management. It's different if he wants out, but him and skinner seem to want to stay here.
Behind Enemy Lines
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I agree. I think it's Carolina's bet to make. They need to assess their own development phase goalie and Andersen's health. That's a pretty good tandem when healthy.
Big picture the goaltender market has shrunk to prospectively two viable franchises, maybes Carolina and Edmonton. Gibson has wanted to go for a while it's been reported. It's an impossible salary to move without retention. They are primed with a quality young guy who's moving into prime years as a starter with a team maybe finally lurching out of deep rebuild phase. Timing makes sense to move Gibson while he's on a performance high (and critically good health). There's still performance risk with this player not playing meaningful games for years and with injury issues. Arguably this is the best moment to deal.
I think the price point will ultimately be manageable if he's dealt. I can rationalize a late 1st pick and a secondary pick or two for full retention on a quality tandem goaltender and ufa defensive d-man. The Oilers can absorb the risk with a 1A/1B Skinner and a $3,200,000 veteran. They need to increase the floor and ceiling on their goaltending.
But I see it as you do. Think the Oilers only consider this is the right value proposition lands (which I think could if Carolina doesn't first).
The way that I look at it, is if Anaheim were to waive him today, would anyone make a claim? With only 6 teams (Utah, Calgary, Nashville, Buffalo, Columbus and San Jose) with enough cap space to do so, it wouldn't be very likely. Maybe Columbus and/or San Jose make a claim but they already have Merzlikins and Georgiev as cap dumps, so I don't see them doing it. I can't imagine Gibson's trade value with his current contract would be that high. I believe that contract would have required a sweetener from Anaheim at the start of the year, so Anaheim preferred to just hold onto Gibson.
Having said that, putting Gibson through waivers makes no sense now for Anaheim. They need to receive something to make it worth their while. However, with a 10 team no trade clause, and the limited number of suitors in the NHL, there are only a handful of teams that would be interested. I do think the duck's organization would try to send him somewhere he wants to go (Carolina or Edmonton) as long as the cost is reasonable. IE, the trade needs to work for both sides as neither one has to make this move.
Sending out Arvidsson (4M) makes a lot of sense for Anaheim because he doesn't have any trade protection. Anaheim could flip him elsewhere for an asset in the future. I would imagine that Arvidsson still has some value out on the open market, so I don't think they would have an issue taking him back.
Arvidsson (4M) + Skinner (2.6) would actually be enough to bring in Gibson at his full hit. It also wouldn't cost us any assets. Although the preference is to maybe spend a bit more and have Anaheim retain. Normally, I would say that Anaheim wouldn't want to retain as they have an internal cap structure but with the floor increasing, it might not be as much of an issue for the ducks.
The other player that could honestly go in a deal with Anaheim is Evander Kane.
Look I like the guy, but his time here is likely coming to an end one way or another, he was already getting demoted into the bottom 6 by Knoblaugh even before all the surgery and he's turning 34 and we know power forwards at that age tend to drop off like a rock.
His wife is from Los Angeles, Anaheim is likely not something they will complain too much about.
In a vacuum sure I'd prefer to keep Kane as a kind of bonus forward that can slot in during the playoffs, but if you have a chance to upgrade now, I think you have to go for it.
Look I like the guy, but his time here is likely coming to an end one way or another, he was already getting demoted into the bottom 6 by Knoblaugh even before all the surgery and he's turning 34 and we know power forwards at that age tend to drop off like a rock.
His wife is from Los Angeles, Anaheim is likely not something they will complain too much about.
In a vacuum sure I'd prefer to keep Kane as a kind of bonus forward that can slot in during the playoffs, but if you have a chance to upgrade now, I think you have to go for it.
