Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[CanadasTeam99]

24 is as good as 92, right?

LMAO I actually didn't know and was being serious

I don't know ask some of our fellow posters here.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Low danger and High Danger are the big big issue there. Great he does well on high danger, for sure...but yeah.

AKA shitty goals like Macks and Makars

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

LMAO I actually didn't know and was being serious

I don't know ask some of our fellow posters here.

what do these numbers mean

 

[CanadasTeam99]

what do these numbers mean

The low number means bad goalie

High number means good goalie

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

AKA shitty goals like Macks and Makars

Oh I know, it's just so frustrating.

 

[McShogun99]

The 4 years of bad play is why I would want him at 50% and why he shouldn’t be that expensive. Its time for Gibson and Anaheim to move on from one another.

Gibson at 50% retention should be worth a mid pick. He's been bad for so long that even at 50% he's still a gamble.

 

[Tarus]

Or maybe in both ways. He won't tip his hand

He's not the GM playing his hands close to his chest

Entire segment and line of discussion was in the context that Skinner is capable of bouncing back and playing well after getting pulled.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Knoblauch just said it on Oilers Now: we need better goaltending and we can improve on it

That’s a pretty keen way to keep it an open ended statement. He was critical of the 2 goals allowed against Colorado, so he could mean it as Skinner needs to be better and can improve OR he said it like they need better goaltending than what they have and it needs to be improved. Probably the former as Knoblauch wouldn’t throw a guy under the bus like that. He’s not Torts.

But with what Friedman said, here’s what I think. Anaheim called Bowman and said “John will waive for Edmonton”. Bowman said “bro, I just got hired. I know nothing except we just went to game 7 of the SCF. Call us back about a month before the deadline if our guy isn’t getting better.”

And Bowman’s phone rang.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I had a trade thought today. Instead of paying a premium for retention on Gibson what about trading Skinner and Arvidsson + a 2nd for Gibson? That would be $6.6 million out and $6.4 million in. It would also pave the way for giving Savoie a test run until the deadline.

 

[belair]

The Marleau deal was in a flat cap and the Leafs got bent over a barrel because they had no other options. It’s hardly the same now, knowing that the cap is going up the way it is. In fact for some owners, having dead cap might be better than paying and managing players on the payroll

It's not about the cap, it's about the actual money. How much do you think Pat Verbeek wants to suggest to his ownership that it's a great idea spending north of $14m on a longtime employee NOT playing there? It's unrealistic.

Anaheim, as a franchise, is ready for stability. They're trying to improve. And i don't think they're necessarily pushing Gibson out the door, even if he's verbalizing his preference to compete.

Gibson is a guy with a 10 team NTC that's probably even smaller considering the actual market. And Verbeek is known to be a ruthless negotiator. If the Ducks don't end up getting the deal they want, there's a very good chance that Gibson finishes his contract in Anaheim.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Nah - Vegas has been doing it for years and look how successful they are. At some point it’s winning above everything else. And it’s not like we’re dealing someone who is over performing or even delivering on his contract

Bro Vegas the city ain't Edmonton

Even if you want to trade Arvidsson, management won't do it.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Oh I know, it's just so frustrating.

He is not the only goalie who does this though. Just a little too much.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Did Knobs actually say that? I didn't hear that? Maybe I missed it?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Did Knobs actually say that? I didn't hear that? Maybe I missed it?

It's the typical boring political stuff. Everybody can improve yadda yadda. Can't listen to these robotic bland interviews with 0 substance

 

[AddyTheWrath]

It's not about the cap, it's about the actual money. How much do you think Pat Verbeek wants to suggest to his ownership that it's a great idea spending north of $14m on a longtime employee NOT playing there? It's unrealistic.

Anaheim, as a franchise, is ready for stability. They're trying to improve. And i don't think they're necessarily pushing Gibson out the door, even if he's verbalizing his preference to compete.

Gibson is a guy with a 10 team NTC that's probably even smaller considering the actual market. And Verbeek is known to be a ruthless negotiator. If the Ducks don't end up getting the deal they want, there's a very good chance that Gibson finishes his contract in Anaheim.

If Anaheim doesn't want to move him unless they're shipping out the entire contract, that's another issue entirely. The 1st round pick you referenced in the Marleau deal is not comparable. Completely different circumstances under a completely different salary environment.

 

[Soundwave]

It's not about the cap, it's about the actual money. How much do you think Pat Verbeek wants to suggest to his ownership that it's a great idea spending north of $14m on a longtime employee NOT playing there? It's unrealistic.

Anaheim, as a franchise, is ready for stability. They're trying to improve. And i don't think they're necessarily pushing Gibson out the door, even if he's verbalizing his preference to compete.

Gibson is a guy with a 10 team NTC that's probably even smaller considering the actual market. And Verbeek is known to be a ruthless negotiator. If the Ducks don't end up getting the deal they want, there's a very good chance that Gibson finishes his contract in Anaheim.

How would it be $14 million?

At 50% retained they would be on the hook for 800k or so remaining this season, and then they are paying Gibson $3.2 million for the following 2 years (6.4 mill total for 2 years), in return they save as much because we would be paying half his contract.

It's not a terrible deal for them at all, we are effectively basically paying for a huge chunk of Dostal's raise for them for the first two years and they would receive a 1st and maybe a 2nd back (Dumoulin probably part of the deal).

Assuming Dostal re-upped at say 5.5 mill per x 5 years or something, they can look at it as Dostal's 1st two years only costing them 2.3 million because we're taking a big chunk of salary off their hands.

 

[Soundwave]

This is a bit of a crazy idea, for fun but throwing this out there. Not saying I would do this but just throwing out the idea:

To EDM
Gibson @50% retained
Dumoulin @50% retained
Zegras

To ANA
Stuart Skinner
Matt Savoie
EDM 1st 2026 + STL 2nd 2025
Viktor Arvidsson or Evander Kane (cap dump)

I get it, Zegras is a flawed player, but it would be a sharp injection of youth + skill into our lineup and we would still have his RFA rights at the end of two years. You take a bet he can rack up some points here and in 2 years you can likely trade him for a large haul or try to re-up him.

I like Savoie a lot so it would suck to trade him, but you have to give to get.

 

[belair]

How would it be $14 million?

At 50% retained they would be on the hook for 800k or so remaining this season, and then they are paying Gibson $3.2 million for the following 2 years (6.4 mill total for 2 years), in return they save as much because we would be paying half his contract.

It's not a terrible deal for them at all, we are effectively basically paying for a huge chunk of Dostal's raise for them for the first two years and they would receive a 1st and maybe a 2nd back (Dumoulin probably part of the deal).

Assuming Dostal re-upped at say 5.5 mill per x 5 years or something, they can look at it as Dostal's 1st two years only costing them 2.3 million because we're taking a big chunk of salary off their hands.

Apologies. Yes, it's about $8m total. I didn't account for the retention when looking at the salary remaining. The point still stands though. It's a significant amount of money paid to a player not paying for them. And historically that's generally what drives up the cost.

If Anaheim doesn't want to move him unless they're shipping out the entire contract, that's another issue entirely. The 1st round pick you referenced in the Marleau deal is not comparable. Completely different circumstances under a completely different salary environment.

If we want to use a recent example of the cost of short term retention, Chicago netted a 3rd for paying a bit over $1.5m of Rantanen's contract. And in that deal they ended up saving money by moving Hall.

Anaheim won't be concerned about saving cap for some time. Especially when it's likely that they probably move on from some of their current cast in the coming years.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

No thanks, just sign him in the offseason if he's willing to sign here in the first place. I'm not emptying the farm system for a winger in his late 20s.
Now somebody like Dobson and we're talking.

I'm talking about a top 10 forward in the league who's great at both ends of the ice and a proven track record with elite players....

This is a bit of a crazy idea, for fun but throwing this out there. Not saying I would do this but just throwing out the idea:

To EDM
Gibson @50% retained
Dumoulin @50% retained
Zegras

To ANA
Stuart Skinner
Matt Savoie
EDM 1st 2026 + STL 2nd 2025
Viktor Arvidsson or Evander Kane (cap dump)

I get it, Zegras is a flawed player, but it would be a sharp injection of youth + skill into our lineup and we would still have his RFA rights at the end of two years. You take a bet he can rack up some points here and in 2 years you can likely trade him for a large haul or try to re-up him.

I like Savoie a lot so it would suck to trade him, but you have to give to get.

I wouldn't trade Savoie with Zegras straight up.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

I would like brazeau or frederic, preferably both, plus a goalie.

Don't see a dman out there that really fits, love Carlo and Soucy, but not sure they make sense for our roster.

Dobson would be great, but we don't have the goods to be in that market imo.

 

[Soundwave]

I'm talking about a top 10 forward in the league who's great at both ends of the ice and a proven track record with elite players....


I wouldn't trade Savoie with Zegras straight up.

I get the sentiment, but I'd kinda have to think about it. Savoie is a small winger who hasn't played really any NHL time, having a good but not neccessarily outstanding AHL season, Zegras is a center/winger hybrid with a shit-ton of skill but is a cocky douche who's having a bad season.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

I wouldn't trade Savoie with Zegras straight up.

Same. Savoie has shown a lot of growth without the puck and for a small guy he's pretty good on the wall. He's definitely exceeded my expectations. Seems to have the hockey sense to avoid getting crushed too

 

[iCanada]

It's not about the cap, it's about the actual money. How much do you think Pat Verbeek wants to suggest to his ownership that it's a great idea spending north of $14m on a longtime employee NOT playing there? It's unrealistic.

Anaheim, as a franchise, is ready for stability. They're trying to improve. And i don't think they're necessarily pushing Gibson out the door, even if he's verbalizing his preference to compete.

Gibson is a guy with a 10 team NTC that's probably even smaller considering the actual market. And Verbeek is known to be a ruthless negotiator. If the Ducks don't end up getting the deal they want, there's a very good chance that Gibson finishes his contract in Anaheim.

I mean, Gibsons deal is front loaded, Anaheim is at the floor, and the cap is set to skyrocket.

In terms of real dollars retaining on Gibson actually saves them real dollars.

 

[Messrules11]

It's the typical boring political stuff. Everybody can improve yadda yadda. Can't listen to these robotic bland interviews with 0 substance

This, sounds like rhetoric from a coach who finally showed the balls to pull him last game and nothing more.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I had a trade thought today. Instead of paying a premium for retention on Gibson what about trading Skinner and Arvidsson + a 2nd for Gibson? That would be $6.6 million out and $6.4 million in. It would also pave the way for giving Savoie a test run until the deadline.

I still think a 2nd round pick for Gibson with full retention is entirely reasonable, look at the Fowler trade and you can easily argue that Fowler has been the superior player of the 2 for the past 5 seasons.

Taking Gibson at his full cap-hit should be a non-starter, if he flops again next season what do we do? He becomes a completely non-tradeable asset even with 50% retention. Too much uneven play to not mitigate the risk and no "getting" out of Arvidsson is nowhere close to comparable it's like saying Arvidsson at $800K doesn't have value and on top of that Gibson's contract is a season longer.

I also don't see anyone of import blocking Savoie's path, if he's good enough he'll steal Kapanen's spot on the Henrique + Perry line and it's hard to think of 2 better mentor's than them. If he wants to climb from there we have a ton of loose lines and players comfortable with playing multiple positions it shouldn't be hard to find a spot for him.