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Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?
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If you can get Gibson at 50% you have to take that gamble, as long as the price isn’t exorbitant. 3.whatever mill for 2 more years is nothing with the cap rising.
Gibson + Dumoulin package makes a ton of sense.
Gibson + Dumoulin package makes a ton of sense.
Johnston can skate can forecheck, can cycle..AND...can play down in the dirt hockey. You trifle with one of his stars he is going to trifle with you.
He is not the proverbial coke machine. Yes he has no offense.
Can he make a seeing eye cross seam pass to McDavid? Not on his life! Has he got good hands in tight? Well only if you believe everything is relative and your comparing him to a T-rex on skates. Can he wire a snapshot to the upper corner? For Ross the only wire he knows is the one he puts on an adversaries jaw for trying to muck with his team.
But man im telling you his hits are bone crunching. Put him for a couple of shifts on McDavids line during a game and there will be more room. (not saying keep him there just one or two shifts a game). Everyone on the opposing team knows when he is on the bench and when he is on the ice. There is a reason he is a good forechecker.
Yes I would rather have a Matt Olivier than him but Ross is a player we can get and has a very specific yet quite important role to play...
Jimmi McJenkins
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He absolutely just a coke machine. His fancies are a disaster. If you're going to get a "big guy" from there you can get Leason, at least he can play hockey a bit too.
Probably not as good.
Ritchie Valens
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Gibsons save percentage over the last 5.5 seasons, with team goals against and team goals against compared to league average:
19-20: .904 (Team GA: 225/71 games)*17 goals more allowed than league average goals against.
20-21: .903 (Team GA: 177/56 games) *15 goals more allowed than league average goals against.
21-22: .904 (Team GA: 266/82 games) *11 goals more allowed than league average goals against.
22-23: .899 (Team GA: 335/82 games) *77 goals more allowed than league average goals against
23-24: .888 (Team GA: 293/82 games) *40 goals more allowed than league average goals against.
24-25: .915 (Team GA: 163/54 games) *3 goals less allowed than league average goals against.
Normal font is when Eakins took over as coach, with Carlyle, he was a consistent .920+ goalie except Carlyle’s final year when it was .917. Eakins’ teams were also way over league average in goals against so it’s no surprise his save percentage took a big hit when Eakins took over. That guy has no clue how to coach defensive hockey, although he will boast about being the smartest hockey mind in the room.
Italicized font is with the new coach but they’re also a rebuilding hockey team. I think Gibson would be amazing behind this team.
Maybe they can throw in Carlsson or McTavish too?
Oilhawks
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The Eakins factor should really not be discounted. We saw first hand how terrible he was at implementing a defensive system here and it should say something that he needed to take a job in the DEL after being fired from the Ducks. Usually once you get an NHL coaching job once you're set for life.
Burnt Biscuits
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I feel like this is tertiary to the other discussion, but I'll say I had the proper read or close to on nearly all of these and I think it speaks to forwards being a lot more predictable than goalies.
Now I'll just speak on the guys currently on the team, the Connor Brown signing IMO was still an intelligent gamble to use cap overage to squeeze more out of our cap dollars, I definitely think we went overboard on the bonuses (I believe my line in the sand was $3.25 or $3.5M in total), but that's a gamble I would take again and despite the super slow start he was still very much an asset for the team in the playoffs. If management wasn't stupid and upgraded Ceci like I said our number 1 must address issue and prophetically that 2nd pairing submarined us far more than any other issue, we would of won a Cup and any spilled milk about paying C. Brown too much would be disregarded. Also on the current season Brown's pts/per 60 is roughly 2nd line level production, so he is well exceeding the performance of a $1M player.
Arvidsson has been underwhelming, but he's had a 0.50 and 0.49 Pts/per game season in NSH we can't be shocked at 0.45 Pts/per game season that's well within normal variance (especially when he gets very little PP time), though despite that he's still not nearly as bad as some are making it sound, still really strong corsi and GF% and no it isn't because of playing with Drai, his numbers are better without him. Also if you look at what $4M UFA forwards generally produce he is definitely still in the cluster of expectation, we're just greedier in EDM and we expect more cause of who they get to play with.
Skinner, was not allowed to play his game, Knoblauch made him work on some issues and it appears he's made big strides doing that and now is getting more opportunity. Skinner is a TBD for me, if he gets it done in the games that matter I don't care at all that we didn't milk the proper regular season production out of him.
Henrique's just been ok I definitely thought he would overperform his contract, but he's been in line with what a $3M center generally provides. Though I did call that Henrique can't stir his own drink offensively, he's a complimentary guy to a more dynamic offensive talent and we haven't provided him with one.
My guesses are Ryan Donato and John Gibson + Brian Dumoulin as the adds. Maybe a 4C too if Philp isn’t ready yet. Really don’t have any high expectations for the deadline, but they do 100% need a goalie.
Agreed.
I just think their is no pleasing some fans. Every player has warts or weaknesses or they wouldn't be available. Either that or they would cost a fortune to acquire, which simply isn't realistic.
Heck even some fans complained about getting Ekholm because he was having a down year. He only had 18 points in 57 games and was "declining". He looked rejuvenated pretty damn quickly once he got to Edmonton.
At some point you have to take risks and hope they pay off.
Well I new this was the case when they signed Klingberg and I guess I was going we'd use the assets on something else. (fingers crossed it's more than Donato)
We will add a LHD for depth I think that is a given.
Completely false. Good goalies are consistently good and bad goalies are consistently bad. You may have outlier here and there- but they are what they are. Using the term “voodoo” is just to defend bad goaltending. They are no different than any other athlete in any sport
Like.
Maybe Gibson checked out the past few years not making playoffs for awhile now. And this year has decided he wants out and is back to playing like he is capable so teams like the oilers might make a move for him. Maybe he needs a change of scenery is all. And maybe former ducks are in his ear about wanting to come here.
Oilhawks
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Go rescue Gibson
While it's under new management (with JJ in the background before), there has been a framework of working with the Ducks in the past, I say, do it again.
While it's under new management (with JJ in the background before), there has been a framework of working with the Ducks in the past, I say, do it again.
Well Jimmy maybe look 2-3 games back at the effect Ross had on his team against the Canadiens. They were down 2 goals in the first and playing listless hockey being dominated. After he fights Jack eye for a good reason his whole team changes for the next twenty five minutes or so. Anaheim wins the game 3-2.
But yes his game is limited. Better to keep him at 10-11 mins on the ice or less.
I agree!
That said I think I have a good grip on this.
We add:
-Depth LHD
-Forward (for the love of god be decent)
Maybe a goalie? I doubt it, but truthfully don't have a freaking clue.
That would be a strong deadline for us and Stan. I don't love Kulak needing to play 2RD permanently but Dumoulin would soften the blow a bit. Dumoulin-Emberson or Dumoulin-Klingberg gives the team two very different looks from their third pairing depending on opponent. If you need more size and grit Emberson is in, if you need more speed it's Klingberg.
Gibson being handed the starter's role doesn't worry me, there is little chance he grades out worse than Skinner based on all the data we have. Donato is a swiss army knife who can play any forward position, I like that when Kane comes back as we still don't know when that will be or what kind of player to expect.
If Kane can still be a passable middle sixer, Knoblauch has a ton of options to play with:
RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Kane/Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson/Podz
Skinner/Kane-Donato-Podz/Arvidsson
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry, Kapanen
Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Kulak
Dumoulin-Emberson
Klingberg
Gibson
Pickard
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Behind Enemy Lines
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The goal should be Gibson and Skinner not either or. They need to increase the floor of their goaltending with a very solid 1A/1B tandem. No way the Ducks take Skinner back in trade when they will build around their own development phase goaltender.
The issue is price point for significant Gibson retention over the next two years. That's likely why it's a game of chicken with Carolina and maybe Edmonton if they've even tire kicked. It's 1st round pick territory for retention.
NHLEdge Comps: NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Comparisons
2022-2023:
High Danger Saves:
.822% Gibson
.843% Skinner
Team Goal Differential:
-84 Ducks
+43 Oilers
2023-2024:
High Danger Saves:
.807% Gibson
.806% Skinner
Team Goal Differential:
-52 Ducks
+50 Oilers
2024-2025
High Danger Saves:
.811% Gibson
.808% Skinner
Team Goal Differential:
-8 Ducks
+11 Oilers
The play would be Gibson and Dumoulin which would shore up this team's back-end and with viable full retention on both worth throwing the 1st+ to move on the deal. Moving Pickard to Ducks or to Bako as a high quality system #3 would free up a $1 which might enable a stretch for a 3rd deadline forward piece from whatever is remaining as deadline day counts down.
The Gibson contract length also gives them some leverage against an inflationary hedge against Skinner's next contract.
The issue is price point for significant Gibson retention over the next two years. That's likely why it's a game of chicken with Carolina and maybe Edmonton if they've even tire kicked. It's 1st round pick territory for retention.
NHLEdge Comps: NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Comparisons
2022-2023:
High Danger Saves:
.822% Gibson
.843% Skinner
Team Goal Differential:
-84 Ducks
+43 Oilers
2023-2024:
High Danger Saves:
.807% Gibson
.806% Skinner
Team Goal Differential:
-52 Ducks
+50 Oilers
2024-2025
High Danger Saves:
.811% Gibson
.808% Skinner
Team Goal Differential:
-8 Ducks
+11 Oilers
The play would be Gibson and Dumoulin which would shore up this team's back-end and with viable full retention on both worth throwing the 1st+ to move on the deal. Moving Pickard to Ducks or to Bako as a high quality system #3 would free up a $1 which might enable a stretch for a 3rd deadline forward piece from whatever is remaining as deadline day counts down.
The Gibson contract length also gives them some leverage against an inflationary hedge against Skinner's next contract.
CanadasTeam99
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Jimmi McJenkins
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I do not care that a coke machine ran around on the Habs, that's just not a thing that will really happen for playoff teams. He's not good enough at hockey to get icetime.
I wonder and worry about Kostin in the same vein, and he's WAY better at hockey than Johnston.
CanadasTeam99
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I didn't realize Eakins was there for 4 full years.
So Gibson's numbers without Eakins behind the bench are
14-15: .914
15-16: .920
16-17: .924
17-18: .926
18-19: .917
Ducks hire Eakins for 4 years of bullshit.
23-24: .888
24-25: .914
That looks more like 1 bad season (after being shelled for *years* and with nothing to play for) versus 6 good ones.
Eakins is a moron defensively especially with a young team, no goalie would hold up under him in those circumstances. Here he was a massive downgrade for us on coaches like Renney and even Krueger.
