Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Jumptheshark]

For those wanting to add Dobson, he is like Bouchard, a RFA with arbitration rights and early indication he is looking for about 9mill a year

Pts over the past 4 season inc this one

Dobson
51-49-70-24
Bouchard
43-40-82-44

I think the price of Dobson will scare us away. Yes the cap is going up but we have a a lot of issues in different position where we are going to need cap space to spend

 

[FlameChampion]

You know who actually isn't a starting goalie right now and hasn't been an effective one in over half a decade?

John Gibson.

I’ve been against Gibson for a long time. Guy has a gross contract and his stats have been terrible for years.

But at 50% I would consider him. Which probably tells you what I think of Skinner. He is so inconsistent and lacks any mobility or athleticism.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Hyptothetical

EDM 1st 2026 + Arvidsson for Lawson Crouse

STL 2nd 2025 for Cam Talbot @500k retained

2nd round pick EDM for a d-man (Dumolin?)

It really sucks having holes at forward, D, and goalie, lol the management here just spends a ton and ends up with the same holes anyway.

Not sure if that would get Crouse or if Utah is even a seller (still in the hunt).



Dwayne Roloson wasn't the starter in 2006 in Minnesota either, he sure did OK behind the 2006 team we had. Some teams actually have two starting caliber goalies. Anaheim has just been a shit team since they decided to "rebuild" like 6 years ago, that's going to tank any goalie's numbers in the long run. Skinner wouldn't even be in the NHL if you put him on the Ducks the last three years, he'd wash right out of the league.

That 1st trade is woof. Arvidsson even playing poorly is outproducing him is on a lower cap-hit and we are paying a 1st on top of that is crazy.

I think Talbot will come cheaper then that and with his age he definitely isn't in their longterm plans, he's been bouncing around a lot I wouldn't be shocked if we could nab him for a 3rd rd pick + Skinner and no need for retention on Talbot he's already pretty cheap.

That's a reasonable price for Dumoulin, but I'm actually surprised there is general interest in him from this fanbase he's pretty unsexy as a player, also as a pending UFA and them only using 1 retention slot we could probably get 50% retention on him.

 

[Jarvi]

Holy f***ing over pay!!! Its Noah Dobson not Cale Makar. Dobson is good and legit top 4, maybe even top tier but not worth all that.

Idk man, our picks are late and Arvidsson has zero, if not negative value considering he has an extra year and GM's will be able to point out that he hasn't produced with the 2 best players in the world centering him. He is like the Barrie equivalent from the Ekholm deal.

Dobson is a top pairing RHD, with team control. He might be having a bit of a down year, compared to last, but so is Bouch and it would take that type of value for me to want to move him. That might be the most valuable player type in the league. If he signed a 10 million dollar offersheet, the compensation would be 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd, thats close to 3 firsts. At 9 million, its a 1, 2, 3. With the cap rocketing up, its not out of the realm of possibility that someone pays him 10 million with the lack of top RHD in the league. That deal I proposed is the equivalent of 3 very late firsts, and a guy who could be argued is a cap dump.

Obviously if it can be done for less, do it. But i am prepared to pay that price to have one of our biggest holes covered for the rest of McDrais careers. Furthermore, these are the types of players its okay to overpay for a bit, because you won't get one his age in FA or most likely the draft with where we project to pick the next few years. Paying excessively for a true difference maker, rather than the Bjugstads of the world.

 

[belair]

John Gibson over his last 10 games

0.925%

His wins

Dallas - 0.963
Florida - 0.955
PIT - 0.969
NSH - 0.900
Tampa - 0.973

Yup, I took a gander at some of his wins in the last 10 games like Belair said lol

He has played 22 games on a SH** team and has a 0.914% and 2.69 GAA

Skinner is at 0.900 and 2.74 GAA with 37 games played

Call ANA and go get this guy

He didn't win the Florida game. He also gave up six to Philly, three to Calgary twice and three to Washington in that brief twelve game sample you just posted.

Wins this year came against CBJ, DET, CHI, BUF, SEA, CBJ, WPG, PIT, TB, NSH, DAL.

He's had a rebound this year with a lighter workload. But he's also started two games more that Calvin Pickard, so we might wanna pump the breaks on 'get this guy' considering the much larger sample of him being a sub-0.900 starter with a $6.4m price tag.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I’ve been against Gibson for a long time. Guy has a gross contract and his stats have been terrible for years.

But at 50% I would consider him. Which probably tells you what I think of Skinner. He is so inconsistent and lacks any mobility or athleticism.

What do we call our guy here when he is worse than John Gibson?

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I was looking at what AFPAnalytics projects Dobson's cap-hit at and they have him at $10.5M AAV x 8 yrs and unlike Bouchard who already has connections and roots with this team it feels harder to ask Dobson to take a hair cut on his salary.

I was honestly expecting high 7's to mid 8 M range, but I guess their model like him almost as much as Bouchard.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

He didn't win the Florida game. He also gave up six to Philly, three to Calgary twice and three to Washington in that brief twelve game sample you just posted.

Wins this year came against CBJ, DET, CHI, BUF, SEA, CBJ, WPG, PIT, TB, NSH, DAL.

He's had a rebound this year with a lighter workload. But he's also started two games more that Calvin Pickard, so we might wanna pump the breaks on 'get this guy' considering the much larger sample of him being a sub-0.900 starter with a $6.4m price tag.

so you just want to nitpick and nitpick

0.914>>>>>>0.900
2.69>>>>Fatso here

Seriously folks, just prepare yourselves for an early exit this year if we run with this clown again, unless Connor and Drai break some Gretzly records and we average 4G a game

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Verbeek would have seen lots of Savoie. If he is the ask for Gibson 50% retained you need to pull the trigger.

No one else is going to offer up anything close to Savoie.

I mentioned this yesterday, but outside of maybe Vegas, Vancouver, Carolina, and Columbus no playoff teams are looking for an upgrade in net; And none of those 4 teams are dying for an upgrade.
Meanwhile Winnipeg, Dallas, Colorado, Minny, LA, Calargy, Florida, Toronto, TB, Ottawa, Detroit, Boston, Washington, NJ, and NYR are all completely set in goal.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Sometimes I wonder with McDavid if the injuries are starting to pile up?

I could be wrong but it doesn’t seem like he has had many surgeries. I think he had one for the collarbone injury but not sure hes had any others. Even the bad knee injury he just rehabilitated it. I wonder if hes trying to just play through things rather than going the surgery route.

Hes been off all year (for him). And was times he looked off last year.

And that is why we need to go for it now. We need to add something decent. Mcdavid has regressed and it will only get worse.

 

[belair]

So what is your suggestion then, to run with Skinner?

I honestly don't have a suggestion at this point. I think the Oilers need to wait out the market and jump when they have a good idea of where Kane's health is. The Oilers aren't in trouble right now. They can afford to run with the tandem they have until the deadline.

I've mentioned before that Cayden Primeau is a goalie I'd have time for on the farm today. He's 11-0 since clearing waivers. But that isn't necessarily an NHL move. He'd replace Colin Delia in Bakersfield.

The issue with Gibson ignoring all of the performance expectations is cost. And $6.4m isn't possible this year or the two years following. And any sort of retention turns Gibson into a premium asset. It's an expensive risk that other teams have rightfully balked at for several deadlines. You're also trading with Pat Verbeek, so it's pretty unlikely you're making a trade that's leaning in your favor.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I honestly don't have a suggestion at this point. I think the Oilers need to wait out the market and jump when they have a good idea of where Kane's health is. The Oilers aren't in trouble right now. They can afford to run with the tandem they have until the deadline.

I've mentioned before that Cayden Primeau is a goalie I'd have time for on the farm today. He's 11-0 since clearing waivers. But that isn't necessarily an NHL move. He'd replace Colin Delia in Bakersfield.

The issue with Gibson ignoring all of the performance expectations is cost. And $6.4m isn't possible this year or the two years following. And any sort of retention turns Gibson into a premium asset. It's an expensive risk that other teams have rightfully balked at for several deadlines. You're also trading with Pat Verbeek, so it's pretty unlikely you're making a trade that's leaning in your favor.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting getting Gibson at 6.4.

 

[McTonyBrar]

In other words, welcome to the Oilers soon

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Here are Skinner last 12 starts against "Good Teams"

COL (Loss) - 0.750
TO (Loss) - 0.857
WSH (Loss) - 0.786
VAN (Loss) - 0.889
COL (Win - shits bed to start great comeback. Team saves him) - 0.880
LA (win) - 1.00
Bos (win) - 1.00
LA (Loss) - 0.862
Bos (w) - 0.923
FLA (loss) - 0.786
Veg (win - gave him 5 goal lead) - 0.929
TB (Win) - 0.955

12 games and a 0.885 and that is with 2 shutouts

This is the turd some people want to run with. Way too inconsistent, which you can't have come playoff time.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Dwayne Roloson in the years prior held a 0.908, 0.928 and 0.933 SV%. The two latter season he'd started 50 games for the Wild.

Gibson? Prior to this year he ran 0.888, 0.889, 0.904, 0.903... He lost the job.

And if you'd like to praise his resurgence this year, take a gander at the teams he scooped up those nine wins off of.

I think his numbers were also in direct correlation with the Dallas Eakins effect. Eakins is gone and what do you know, he’s posting pretty decent numbers again.

 

[Messrules11]

I honestly don't have a suggestion at this point. I think the Oilers need to wait out the market and jump when they have a good idea of where Kane's health is. The Oilers aren't in trouble right now. They can afford to run with the tandem they have until the deadline.

I've mentioned before that Cayden Primeau is a goalie I'd have time for on the farm today. He's 11-0 since clearing waivers. But that isn't necessarily an NHL move. He'd replace Colin Delia in Bakersfield.

The issue with Gibson ignoring all of the performance expectations is cost. And $6.4m isn't possible this year or the two years following. And any sort of retention turns Gibson into a premium asset. It's an expensive risk that other teams have rightfully balked at for several deadlines. You're also trading with Pat Verbeek, so it's pretty unlikely you're making a trade that's leaning in your favor.

Ok but a goalie for the farm does nothing at this point. An upgrade right now is all that matters. While neither of us make Bowman money to solve this there has to be a way to get a better goalie in here.

 

[Soundwave]

There's just too many red flags with Stuart Skinner

22-23 playoffs: .883 save percentage
23-24 reg season: .905 save percentage when the team was no.1 in the league from Nov.12 onwards
23-24 playoffs: .901 save percentage
24-25 reg season: .900

This is like four seasonal segments in a row now where he is at best .905 and averaging out around .900.

That isn't a legit NHL starter. Not one for a contender no less.

I can understand being down once or twice, but this is now 4 straight segments (playoffs or regular seasons) where his numbers are poor.

Then add on top of that poop sundae that his numbers in the 1st period this season and his numbers against top 10 teams this year are hovering around .879 or so and it's the cherry on top.

If .905 is the best you can do in a regular season or playoffs once you've been scouted a bit in this league on a legit good team, you're not a legit starter. Sorry but you're just not.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Here are Skinner last 12 starts against "Good Teams"

COL (Loss) - 0.750
TO (Loss) - 0.857
WSH (Loss) - 0.786
VAN (Loss) - 0.889
COL (Win - shits bed to start great comeback. Team saves him) - 0.880
LA (win) - 1.00
Bos (win) - 1.00
LA (Loss) - 0.862
Bos (w) - 0.923
FLA (loss) - 0.786
Veg (win - gave him 5 goal lead) - 0.929
TB (Win) - 0.955

12 games and a 0.885 and that is with 2 shutouts

This is the turd some people want to run with. Way too inconsistent, which you can't have come playoff time.

Let’s not forget, he’s almost batting .500 with allowing 3+ goals in the first over those same 12 starts.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

There's just too many red flags with Stuart Skinner

22-23 playoffs: .883 save percentage
23-24 reg season: .905 save percentage when the team was no.1 in the league from Nov.12 onwards
23-24 playoffs: .901 save percentage
24-25 reg season: .900

This is like four seasonal segments in a row now where he is at best .905 and averaging out around .900.

That isn't a legit NHL starter. Not one for a contender no less.

I can understand being down once or twice, but this is now 4 straight segments (playoffs or regular seasons) where his numbers are poor.

Then add on top of that poop sundae that his numbers in the 1st period this season and his numbers against top 10 teams this year are hovering around .879 or so and it's the cherry on top.

A 900 would be fine if he wasn’t playing on one of top teams / top chance limiting teams in the league. A team that makes a goalie who was in the AHL for over half a decade look decent.

 

[McJadeddog]

The .900 Skinner has here is inflated too. Put him on almost any other team and that number goes down. There’s not many teams on our level.

Yeah, its crazy people don't realize this. This is why stats like goals saved above expected per 60 is so important, a stat where Skinner currently ranks 43rd out of 67 eligible goalies this year (min 10 GP). He ranked 37th out of 73 eligible goalies in the same stat last year. This is a pretty good approximation where he would be on an "average NHL team". Skinner is a 35th-50th percentile goalie, so average to significantly below average.

However, the goalie we are talking about has some issues with this metric also. Last year Gibson was 61st out of 73 eligible goalies. This year he is way better, at 3rd in the league out of 67 eligible. However, there is a bit of an asterixis beside his current year stat, in that the Anaheim starter (who plays more than Gibson) Dostal is 4th. So there might be some weird statistical anomaly happening with Anaheim this year that the stat isn't properly capturing. I say this because Dostal was 53rd last year, so go along with Gibson being 61st. So either both Anaheim goalies improved a SHOCKING amount in 1 year, while playing on a terrible team, or something strange is happening with them for that stat.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah, its crazy people don't realize this. This is why stats like goals saved above expected per 60 is so important, a stat where Skinner currently ranks 43rd out of 67 eligible goalies this year (min 10 GP). He ranked 37th out of 73 eligible goalies in the same stat last year. This is a pretty good approximation where he would be on an "average NHL team". Skinner is a 35th-50th percentile goalie, so average to significantly below average.

However, the goalie we are talking about has some issues with this metric also. Last year Gibson was 61st out of 73 eligible goalies. This year he is way better, at 3rd in the league out of 67 eligible. However, there is a bit of an asterixis beside his current year stat, in that the Anaheim starter (who plays more than Gibson) Dostal is 4th. So there might be some weird statistical anomaly happening with Anaheim this year that the stat isn't properly capturing. I say this because Dostal was 53rd last year, so go along with Gibson being 61st. So either both Anaheim goalies improved a SHOCKING amount in 1 year, while playing on a terrible team, or something strange is happening with them for that stat.

There's just so much evidence he's not a legit starter. He's carried hard by one of the best teams in the league.

Nice guy, nice mustache, Just doesn't have the higher tier talent level and athleticism to be a legit go to starter in this league for a team that has to win. A 1B who can do well with 30-35 starts a season? Sure.

Now that he's getting scouted a bit harder (can't be a secret when you've made a Cup Final) his numbers against top teams is cratering.

 

[McJadeddog]

No one else is going to offer up anything close to Savoie.

I mentioned this yesterday, but outside of maybe Vegas, Vancouver, Carolina, and Columbus no playoff teams are looking for an upgrade in net; And none of those 4 teams are dying for an upgrade.
Meanwhile Winnipeg, Dallas, Colorado, Minny, LA, Calargy, Florida, Toronto, TB, Ottawa, Detroit, Boston, Washington, NJ, and NYR are all completely set in goal.

A lot of NHL-insiders have reported that there aren't many (hardly any in fact) teams looking for a goalie upgrade this year. So as far as "market conditions", it really might be a great year to try and get a 1B goalie on the cheap.

 

[McJadeddog]

There's just so much evidence he's not a legit starter. He's carried hard by one of the best teams in the league.

Nice guy, nice mustache, Just doesn't have the higher tier talent level and athleticism to be a legit go to starter in this league for a team that has to win. A 1B who can do well with 30-35 starts a season? Sure.

Now that he's getting scouted a bit harder (can't be a secret when you've made a Cup Final) his numbers against top teams is cratering.

Yup, I've been saying for a long time that he is a perfectly fine, maybe even good, backup. He could be a good 1B on a middling/playoff-bubble team, but I wouldn't want him as a 1B on a contending team, he is just too inconsistent. Let along as your "true #1 starter" on a contending team, as he is on ours unfortunately.

There are lots and lots and LOTS of stats to back this assertion up, and all the advanced stats guys in the hockey-verse have been publishing these facts for anybody to see. So I find it very hard that the newly improved Oilers analytics team isn't seeing the same thing. Which means that: A) our management team is ignoring their own analytics team, or B) they are listening to their stats team internally, but externally are expressing support for their current starter.

 

[Soundwave]

A lot of NHL-insiders have reported that there aren't many (hardly any in fact) teams looking for a goalie upgrade this year. So as far as "market conditions", it really might be a great year to try and get a 1B goalie on the cheap.

Yeah even Carolina, Freddy Andersen is now back and is still .914 overall for the season. I think they kinda blew their wad on that Rantanen deal anyway.

Every other contender or playoff team largely has their goaltending figured out.

Anaheim also has to make a decision on Gibson likely now because in the past they had cheap back ups. That's not going to be the case anymore, they have to either pay Dostal a large raise or trade him (in which case we should be interested) or watch him walk for nothing.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Anahiem was one of the worst teams in the league. It’s ridiculous you don’t factor in that. Yes backups had some success. That’s not the same as playing years and years as the starter on a terrible team.

I don’t think a prime Patty Roy would have had much better numbers with those Ducks teams under Eakins.

@tardigrade81 is a good goalie but I don’t see any of you clowns lobbying for him to get a chance.

We like @tardigrade81 though, we don’t want to run him out of HFOil town.