Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[CanadasTeam99]

We will have to wait until the deadline. Too many teams are still in it. It seems every target I look at has seen their team win enough to be fighting for a playoff spot.

It could also be expensive. It would be so huge if Klingberg could turn out better than anyone dreamed so we could forget about D upgrades and use our assets and cap on goaltending

I don't think it would be expensive. I am not talking about some monster deal for Saros. I know getting a true #1 is not in the cards.

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't think it would be expensive. I am not talking about some monster deal for Saros. I know getting a true #1 is not in the cards.

I agree not someone huge, but still expensive
I like the idea of getting pending UFA Vejmelka in Utah. I like the Detroit goalies too, Talbot and Lyon. I like Nedeljkovic and Quick, but not a lot

I am against getting Gibson, but with retention I'd be pumped to see it (although I'd still vote no). My main issue with him is the term. It would be an unwise gamble that could pay off huge

It's hard to see who would be available.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

If they are pushing for playoffs, they won't be selling off roster guys imo. Maybe if our coaching staff played him and he scores a bunch between now and the TDL, we get a late pick from them for Skinner.

If they are selling off guys like that and saying screw playoffs, they won't have any need for Skinner so he would probably costs us a pick/prospect to dump him there, if he even waives.

From my POV the team has 2 options. Play him top line with Mcdavid or elsewhere that he could succeed and try and salvage the asset while treating the player fairly and either finding out you want to keep him, or increasing his value to a team like Boston. Or they scratch him til he's pissed off enough to waive anywhere, and they pay to get rid of him. They seem to be taking the second option, which I disagree with.

I see them in the same light as Nashville the year they traded us Ekholm at the deadline while still being a playoff team. It's pretty heavily speculated that Frederic won't be re-signing in Boston. Not only could theu flip him for a meaningful asset that they can use in the offseason, but they aren't in a position where Frederic is the difference for them between making the playoffs or not, or winning a round or not. He just isn't.

Carlo would be a much harder get but have just heard rumours that he could be available.

Again, it's not unheard of for bubble teams to get assets for pending UFAs as a retool. A 1st rounder would probably make it worth their while.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Just a question for the the ones updating site. Can you please fix dark mode so we can see page numbers again?

 

[Spawn]

there were two of them. You may have the poster with the valid thread on Ignore

Who would have me on ignore

 

[Zerotonine]

I agree not retained you take that deal huge, but still expensive
I like the idea of getting pending UFA Vejmelka in Utah. I like the Detroit goalies too, Talbot and Lyon. I like Nedeljkovic and Quick, but not a lot

I am against getting Gibson, but with retention I'd be pumped to see it (although I'd still vote no). My main issue with him is the term. It would be an unwise gamble that could pay off huge

It's hard to see who would be available.

If Gibson comes 50 percent retained you take that deal and run. 2 years left on his deal still fits are window to keep inning after mcdavid re ups.....

Dont think you can make the deal with out the huge retainmemt tho. And yes I'm a big supporter of getting Gibson

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Skinner problem is mistly mental. I mean he can play lights out. So he had the ability. But we all no some goalies can never concur the mental aspect of things. And IMHO another big privity for Skinner and every other goalie is Schwartz. Plain and simple. And we all no it....

Interesting. I actually think Skinner has pretty strong mental resiliency as he stepped up when Campbell melted down as the window phase goaltending plan. The pressure he's been under to succeed is enormous amplified playing in Edmonton with 15+ years of built up expectation riding on this moment in time . Reality is he's a development phase goalie trying to build his game and consistency on a mature window phase team primed to compete for a Cup. Just like other position players it's difficult for young players to deliver the consistency required in such circumstances. We see that manifest with a wide variance in play. Though we also see pretty solid recovery from bad games. Issue is the unknown of when the bad games will show up.

The mental challenge I see as more in his hockey sense/processor which can see him struggle with anticipation and reaction notably in some disastrous out of net adventures. This is either part of the development growth phase of learning at the apex level of competition or it may play out as an inherent weakness. Personally I think he has physical limitations in his game - he's not a naturally athletic, agile or super flexible like modern goaltender types. Technique wise again because he doesn't have inherent athleticism and flexibility he can look very awkward at times trying to make saves notably pulled east-west lateral movement. He's a battler though so can make the save but look awkward. Few style points.

I'm less inclined to blame coaching. Schwartz has actually had reasonable success with developing young goaltender prospects into NHL goaltenders. He hasn't been able to beat a poor organization goaltending 'strategy' that's focused on recycling old, established and fully formed goaltenders. There was a lot of talk about Campbell working off season with Manny Legace which carried into a good pre-season before the wheels fell off again. Then a belief by some that airlifting Legace into Bakersfield at Campbell's request and team approval would miraculously revive nice guy Jack. Of course that didn't happen.

It's a pickle for this team which has really never prioritized the goaltending position until sewering its window cap with the expensive Campbell bet. Skinner deserves some credit to rising as a mid-range prospect planned to be a back-up through the Campbell winning window years. But ... here we are.

I'd love a 1A veteran goaltender to platoon with Skinner. But there's no certainty in that either with really only an expensive John Gibson out there. I think Gibson could reset on a structured, great team but it's still a risk for an organization with limited assets and cap.

This deadline will be very interesting. I expect this organization like the out of left field Klingberg signing to leave no stone unturned to build up its roster to win that next game 7 or fewer required to win the Cup.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I don't think it's as much mental as it is purely physical

Like that chance Vancouver's hobbit got early first. Cross crease. He hits the side of the net. That should have gone in

Skinner literally just kind of trips up instead of pushing across smoothly. He fell right on his a**

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I feel like a goalie upgrade isn't even the cards for management? Maybe it should be, but it probably isn't.

 

[ManOfSteelI]

I feel like a goalie upgrade isn't even the cards for management? Maybe it should be, but it probably isn't.

I agree. While I think it's something they should explore, I think it's been made abundantly clear that they see their current tandem as their ride or die.

So, it's not really productive to discuss at this point. May as well focus on the other areas that will actually realistically be upgraded.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

who is the modern day Semenko? If Klingberg comes as advertised and we can get the good Skinner at the right time that may actually be the bigger need

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I feel like a goalie upgrade isn't even the cards for management? Maybe it should be, but it probably isn't.

It isnt and hasnt been a priority for management for the last ~3ish years

 

[soothsayer]

who is the modern day Semenko? If Klingberg comes as advertised and we can get the good Skinner at the right time that may actually be the bigger need

Olivier out of Columbus. He can actually play and is arguably the toughest guy in the NHL. He might be available if Columbus drops out of it. That said, I don't feel that Knoblauch cares about that aspect of the game enough for Bowman to bring a guy like that in. Maybe I'm wrong. Olivier would be on my radar anyways.

 

[McDoused]

Interesting. I actually think Skinner has pretty strong mental resiliency as he stepped up when Campbell melted down as the window phase goaltending plan. The pressure he's been under to succeed is enormous amplified playing in Edmonton with 15+ years of built up expectation riding on this moment in time . Reality is he's a development phase goalie trying to build his game and consistency on a mature window phase team primed to compete for a Cup. Just like other position players it's difficult for young players to deliver the consistency required in such circumstances. We see that manifest with a wide variance in play. Though we also see pretty solid recovery from bad games. Issue is the unknown of when the bad games will show up.

The mental challenge I see as more in his hockey sense/processor which can see him struggle with anticipation and reaction notably in some disastrous out of net adventures. This is either part of the development growth phase of learning at the apex level of competition or it may play out as an inherent weakness. Personally I think he has physical limitations in his game - he's not a naturally athletic, agile or super flexible like modern goaltender types. Technique wise again because he doesn't have inherent athleticism and flexibility he can look very awkward at times trying to make saves notably pulled east-west lateral movement. He's a battler though so can make the save but look awkward. Few style points.

I'm less inclined to blame coaching. Schwartz has actually had reasonable success with developing young goaltender prospects into NHL goaltenders. He hasn't been able to beat a poor organization goaltending 'strategy' that's focused on recycling old, established and fully formed goaltenders. There was a lot of talk about Campbell working off season with Manny Legace which carried into a good pre-season before the wheels fell off again. Then a belief by some that airlifting Legace into Bakersfield at Campbell's request and team approval would miraculously revive nice guy Jack. Of course that didn't happen.

It's a pickle for this team which has really never prioritized the goaltending position until sewering its window cap with the expensive Campbell bet. Skinner deserves some credit to rising as a mid-range prospect planned to be a back-up through the Campbell winning window years. But ... here we are.

I'd love a 1A veteran goaltender to platoon with Skinner. But there's no certainty in that either with really only an expensive John Gibson out there. I think Gibson could reset on a structured, great team but it's still a risk for an organization with limited assets and cap.

This deadline will be very interesting. I expect this organization like the out of left field Klingberg signing to leave no stone unturned to build up its roster to win that next game 7 or fewer required to win the Cup.

Klingberg definitely came out of left field but he was someone that I identified as a possible option. Their are only so many right shot dmen potentially capable of playing in our top 4 and he's one of them. The biggest question for him is obviously is health.

Skinner, I said I would never doubt him after the game he stole for us against Vancouver. If our defense removes the the middle of the ice, he will look great. He's a big goalie who doesn't give shooters a lot to shoot at.

Having said that, I'm not a big fan of the style of game he plays. He doesn't typically track the puck well. He doesn't have great rebound control and when he tries to move laterally he looks slow and awkward. I'm fine with Skinner in a tandem role but unfortunately he's probably one of the worst starters in the league.

 

[frag2]

Klingberg definitely came out of left field but he was someone that I identified as a possible option. Their are only so many right shot dmen potentially capable of playing in our top 4 and he's one of them. The biggest question for him is obviously is health.

Skinner, I said I would never doubt him after the game he stole for us against Vancouver. If our defense removes the the middle of the ice, he will look great. He's a big goalie who doesn't give shooters a lot to shoot at.

Having said that, I'm not a big fan of the style of game he plays. He doesn't typically track the puck well. He doesn't have great rebound control and when he tries to move laterally he looks slow and awkward. I'm fine with Skinner in a tandem role but unfortunately he's probably one of the worst starters in the league.

Skinner reminds me of JSG from way back. The guy is just big. He doesn't save pucks, per se, but rather is in position to block them because of his big size. Neither are particularly athletic goalies, especially with Skinner. Like the first Mackinnon goal where he comes off the boards towards the middle, it was basically a routine glove save and even Skinner failed at that.

People hate to fat shame and whatnot but Skinner really needs to go on a diet and come back leaner. Would at least help his agility. It was a topic of discussion on the internet comparing Skinner to the rest of the league. Hes one of the heaviest goalies relative to his peers (Vasilevsky being the outlier as we all know how extremely athletic he is, despite his height and weight). Skinner's problems are both physical and mental. Mental may take time to grow, but physically, he can fix that if he can be more self-aware and realize it will help him more immediately.

 

[soothsayer]

Skinner reminds me of JSG from way back. The guy is just big. He doesn't save pucks, per se, but rather is in position to block them because of his big size. Neither are particularly athletic goalies, especially with Skinner. Like the first Mackinnon goal where he comes off the boards towards the middle, it was basically a routine glove save and even Skinner failed at that.

People hate to fat shame and whatnot but Skinner really needs to go on a diet and come back leaner. Would at least help his agility. It was a topic of discussion on the internet comparing Skinner to the rest of the league. Hes one of the heaviest goalies relative to his peers (Vasilevsky being the outlier as we all know how extremely athletic he is, despite his height and weight). Skinner's problems are both physical and mental. Mental may take time to grow, but physically, he can fix that if he can be more self-aware and realize it will help him more immediately.

If you mean Jean-Sebastien Giguere, the Oilers would be so lucky. Giguere was unbelievable when he was on. His 2003 playoffs was one of the best goaltending performances in history.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Olivier out of Columbus. He can actually play and is arguably the toughest guy in the NHL. He might be available if Columbus drops out of it. That said, I don't feel that Knoblauch cares about that aspect of the game enough for Bowman to bring a guy like that in. Maybe I'm wrong. Olivier would be on my radar anyways.

That would surprise me given the style of play Knoblauch himself played. 193 and 138 PIM his last two years in the WHL.

 

[Pucklington]

Skinner reminds me of JSG from way back. The guy is just big. He doesn't save pucks, per se, but rather is in position to block them because of his big size. Neither are particularly athletic goalies, especially with Skinner. Like the first Mackinnon goal where he comes off the boards towards the middle, it was basically a routine glove save and even Skinner failed at that.

People hate to fat shame and whatnot but Skinner really needs to go on a diet and come back leaner. Would at least help his agility. It was a topic of discussion on the internet comparing Skinner to the rest of the league. Hes one of the heaviest goalies relative to his peers (Vasilevsky being the outlier as we all know how extremely athletic he is, despite his height and weight). Skinner's problems are both physical and mental. Mental may take time to grow, but physically, he can fix that if he can be more self-aware and realize it will help him more immediately.

Jiggy was more athletic than Skinner imo, but not a bad comparison. They play similar style as get in position and block puck.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Klingberg definitely came out of left field but he was someone that I identified as a possible option. Their are only so many right shot dmen potentially capable of playing in our top 4 and he's one of them. The biggest question for him is obviously is health.

Skinner, I said I would never doubt him after the game he stole for us against Vancouver. If our defense removes the the middle of the ice, he will look great. He's a big goalie who doesn't give shooters a lot to shoot at.

Having said that, I'm not a big fan of the style of game he plays. He doesn't typically track the puck well. He doesn't have great rebound control and when he tries to move laterally he looks slow and awkward. I'm fine with Skinner in a tandem role but unfortunately he's probably one of the worst starters in the league.

Very good call on your part. Klingberg is a decent low cost gamble on a player type that is expensive. It buys them runway to experiment and potential add different, less expensive and more plentiful player types. My post before predicts a second top 4 D-man being the big piece.

Skinner's a tough one. A development phase player on an elite window team scenario I use the analogy of being like trying to jump on a speeding bullet train. Hard for any player but goaltending is extremely difficult. He's been able to elevate his game despite his limitations though the variance in his game, the consistency that builds through experience is a challenging work in progress. Publicly their management, coaching and players seem to have full belief in both goalies. Bowman's fresh eyes on their roster construction will be the interesting aspect. Though he's also a guy that one multiple Cups with non-elite goaltending.

I think they fortify around goaltending. Build up and deepen the quality of their blueline and grab a real good 3/4C hard ice player. But Campbell's failing passed the net to a mid-level prospect guy who's getting deep water training over the Mariana Trench with a mature team primed to win. Tough spot because the veteran guy failed.

 

[frag2]

If you mean Jean-Sebastien Giguere, the Oilers would be so lucky. Giguere was unbelievable when he was on. His 2003 playoffs was one of the best goaltending performances in history.

Alas, until Skinner improves his mobility, that is not to be. I still remember media saying JSG's weakness was his glove hand; however, he can compensate for that by being at the right place at the right time and just block any incoming pucks, even if he can't catch them.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

 

[oXo Cube]

EK65 is a bad idea at this point.

I kinda want to do it anyway just for the fireworks.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

No thanks to EK65

 

[K1984]

EK65 is a bad idea at this point.

I kinda want to do it anyway just for the fireworks.

The Oilers are at their best when there isn't chaos. We used to be a purely chaotic team, but this coaching staff has done an outstanding job building stability and structure where there really wasn't any.

When we work within our structure we win, when we launch pucks all over the place and aren't disciplined with positioning we don't. Adding basically the King of chaos isn't the way to go IMO. Give me a boring game manager that almost never makes mistakes instead.

 

[North]

EK65 is a bad idea at this point.

I kinda want to do it anyway just for the fireworks.

Terrible idea. There would need to be significant retention and even then I’d still have to think about it.