Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[Oilslick941611]

With the CAD dropping and Trump threatening to nuke the economic status quo, the cap situation is murky imo. The projections may hold, or not.

Yeah, very true, but for next season at least the cap will be 97million according to Alan Walsh on his podcast today. Seemed pretty sure of it and said he had info from the league.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Murphy scores more points at 5on5 than Matheson.

Seems pretty good.

Personal preference then. I would take Matheson

 

[McDoused]

Yeah, very true, but for next season at least the cap will be 97million according to Alan Walsh on his podcast today. Seemed pretty sure of it and said he had info from the league.

That would be a pretty significant bump from the 92M that we were originally told at the start of the year.

An extra 5M next year would absolutely change what the Oilers should do at the deadline this year. It would actually allow us to go get a big name with term.

 

[foshizzle]

It's my understanding that he has not been on LTIR and that the space was just set. We put him on LTIR to set his limit and then took him off to accrue space

The accrual vs LTIR thing is not connected to a player. They are totally separate sources of cap space. If you are using LTIR then by definition you are not allowed to accrue cap at all. Accruing cap means that if you have 1 million in cap space, you can gain cap space over the season and have like 5 million by the deadline. If you use LTIR space then by definition you have zero cap space. That's the the total BS that Vegas was allowed to get away with this past summer. They were allowed to pay Lehner not to play AND not have him on LTIR and that allowed them to accrue space for the deadline. I'm actually shocked that was allowed

No. The way it works.

1) You put the player on LTIR before the season starts- you can then exceed the cap by that LTIR amount. The oilers did this last year. Essentially- say the cap is 88 mil and oilers have Kane at 5.1M. The Oilers have spent 87M and know with Kane they will be over at the beginning of the season so they put him on LTIR before rosters are due. Oilers total cap space is 87M+5.1M=92.1 m. They haven’t maximized LTIR.

No- say the Oilers are at 87M with Kane on the roster. Day one of the season, they put Kane on LTIR- now they can sign a player of equivalent value (5.1m) and they accrue the original 1M of space.

Last year- the Oilers managed to maximize LTIR before the season started but were dollar in dollar out at the deadline. This year- because they put him on LTIR after- they can backfill his spot while still accruing. That’s why timing is important. According to Oilers twitter, Kane was placed on LTIR Oct 8- a day after rosters were due. Puckpedia is saying it was before (which contradicts Oilers own twitter). This is the key distinction you’re missing

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Brandon Carlo would be nice. Boston winless in their last 6

 

[McFlash97]

None of those adds outside of Blackwood have been acquired by contenders in season and, granted, Blackwood has been great but the Oilers goaltending (if we're using smaller sample sizes) was #1 in the NHL from November 23rd until last night so it hasn't been an issue of late.

I'll give you the Fabbro one though, all Bowman had to do was throw a low pick Nashville's way and he could have had Fabbro. That was a missed opportunity, but we'll just have to wait to see what the plan is at the deadline before judging.

It definitely was against Pittsburgh. Skinner lives in his own head. Puts up a rare solid game... then immediately believes his own hype and looked like garbage the next. You can't have a goaltender with this type of ho hum mentality.

 

[Fourier]

It's my understanding that he has not been on LTIR and that the space was just set. We put him on LTIR to set his limit and then took him off to accrue space

The accrual vs LTIR thing is not connected to a player. They are totally separate sources of cap space. If you are using LTIR then by definition you are not allowed to accrue cap at all. Accruing cap means that if you have 1 million in cap space, you can gain cap space over the season and have like 5 million by the deadline. If you use LTIR space then by definition you have zero cap space. That's the the total BS that Vegas was allowed to get away with this past summer. They were allowed to pay Lehner not to play AND not have him on LTIR and that allowed them to accrue space for the deadline. I'm actually shocked that was allowed

Kane is on LTIR. They manipulated their roster to be as close to the cap as possible then put him on. The reason they did this was to maximize the space the they would get from LTIR and still allow them to accrue. When they put Kane on LTIR that set a new "ceiling" for the Oilers. If they dropped below that ceiling at any point they would start to accrue space. They have been doing so most of the year.

I think that the issue that Puckpedia is talking about has to do with adding a particular player. They are saying the Oilers cannot use accrued space and LTIR on the same player. The Oilers could use the accrued space to get one guy who is relatively cheap and then use the $5.1M for a second player or even several players with a combined cap hit of $5.1M or less. But they can't combine the two to get one player with say a $6M cap hit. (Added in Edit: For the record this was not my understanding of how things work. But it is not 100% clear to me now!)

And I do do agree that the Lehner decision was BS. Vegas obviously gets every break the League can give them. Contrast that with the League decision not to give the Oilers additional cap space from the Keith retirement or the completely irrational decision that Neal hit his goals total and it paints a picture of a two-tiered system.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah, very true, but for next season at least the cap will be 97million according to Alan Walsh on his podcast today. Seemed pretty sure of it and said he had info from the league.

That would be a good cap number for us.

 

[TheNumber4]

Kane is on LTIR. They manipulated their roster to be as close to the cap as possible then put him on. The reason they did this was to maximize the space the they would get from LTIR and still allow them to accrue. When they put Kane on LTIR that set a new "ceiling" for the Oilers. If they dropped below that ceiling at any point they would start to accrue space. They have been doing so most of the year.

I think that the issue that Puckpedia is talking about has to do with adding a particular player. They are saying the Oilers cannot use accrued space and LTIR on the same player. The Oilers could use the accrued space to get one guy who is relatively cheap and then use the $5.1M for a second player or even several players with a combined cap hit of $5.1M or less. But they can't combine the two to get one player with say a $6M cap hit.

And I do do agree that the Lehner decision was BS. Vegas obviously gets every break the League can give them. Contrast that with the League decision not to give the Oilers additional cap space from the Keith retirement or the completely irrational decision that Neal hit his goals total and it paints a picture of a two-tiered system.

Puckpedia originally said you can use cap accrual on one transaction, then use Kane Ltir on 2nd. But then they said they mispoke, making it confusing now.

 

[Fourier]

Puckpedia originally said you can use cap accrual on one transaction, then use Kane Ltir on 2nd. But then they said they mispoke, making it confusing now.

I agree it is confusing. To be honest I am not 100% sure what they are trying to get at.

To be honest I did not think that there interpretation was correct, but it has been a while since I dipped into the most subtle nuisances of the CBA so I am not 100% sure how this plays out. But I suspect the Oilers do know.

 

[TheNumber4]

I agree it is confusing. To be honest I am not 100% sure what they are trying to get at.

I heard Bobs underling (forgot his name) then repeat it, quoting Puckpedia on radio today too . Saying “according to Puckpedia”. So it’s like even the Oilers media guys don’t know and are just going off of Puckpedia’s word. Yes, all very confusing.

 

[Fourier]

I heard Bobs underling (forgot his name) then repeat it, quoting Puckpedia on radio today too . Saying “according to Puckpedia”. So it’s like even the Oilers media guys don’t know and are just going off of Puckpedia’s word. Yes, all very confusing.

Lets just send out the Bat Signal. @mouser Perhaps you can weigh in on how accrued space meshes with LTIR with a deadline acquisition. Puckpedia has created some confusion.