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[CantHaveTkachev]

This true?

lol no

 

[GMofOilers]

This true?

This would be incredible

 

[oXo Cube]

If Quick got traded here I'm pretty sure he would immediately retire.

Dude is legit STILL pissed off about the Yak slide.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

If they could get Quick, and have him channel his last bit of energy into ANYTHING close to his younger self, this team wins a Stanley Cup.

 

[K1984]

I'd list all those failures but it would probably be easier just to look at our roster since Bowman and Jackson have the largest amount of whiffs since the Draft out of anyone.



And this is why we do not have a Cup in modern memory- other teams proactively address their weaknesses, but we ignore them and keep stressing "patience" that things will just magically work themselves out. Spoiler: they don't.

No, we never do anything at the deadline ever. Never addressed anything at the deadline. Always a fail at the deadline. For sure.

 

[soothsayer]

The Oilers aren't trading for a goalie unless it's for a replacement for Skinner, and I really doubt Quick would be looked at as Skinner's replacement. They won't upgrade Pickard because he's arguably been better than Skinner.

 

[K1984]

If they could get Quick, and have him channel his last bit of energy into ANYTHING close to his younger self, this team wins a Stanley Cup.

Quick has a big voice too. He's the ideal guy to support a goalie like Skinner, and I think could absolutely step in if needed.

Hoping the Rangers continue to crater to make this a possibility. Problem is the East is so incredibly bad if the Rangers make a coaching change they could easily rip off a bunch of wins in a row and be right back in it.

 

[K1984]

The Oilers aren't trading for a goalie unless it's for a replacement for Skinner, and I really doubt Quick would be looked at as Skinner's replacement. They won't upgrade Pickard because he's arguably been better than Skinner.

If this were true then Pickard would be starting 2 out of every 3 games, not Skinner.

 

[McTonyBrar]

The Oilers aren't trading for a goalie unless it's for a replacement for Skinner, and I really doubt Quick would be looked at as Skinner's replacement. They won't upgrade Pickard because he's arguably been better than Skinner.

He can't even help beat Anaheim.

Before I get slaughtered on here, I just wanted to say that we always complain Skinner doesn't make the key save at a key time. Well wasn't it the same with Pickard last night?

 

[soothsayer]

If this were true then Pickard would be starting 2 out of every 3 games, not Skinner.

Good one. Better save %, better GAA, better win %.

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers aren't trading for a goalie unless it's for a replacement for Skinner, and I really doubt Quick would be looked at as Skinner's replacement. They won't upgrade Pickard because he's arguably been better than Skinner.

I think the premise of that is just dumb.

Keeping Skinner but also adding a Cam Talbot (say at $2 million with some retention) or even John Gibson (at 50% retained) still keeps the Oilers spend on goaltending low but gives us a legit guy who can take over the starting role if Skinner shits the bed and needs to sit for a while.

What's wrong with having a decent tandem?

 

[K1984]

Good one. Better save %, better GAA, better win %.

Good one - this has abosluely nothing to do with what you posted.

"Oilers won't upgrade Pickard because his stats are better!"

If they actually thought Pickard was the better goalie - logically they would be starting him more no?

He can't even help beat Anaheim.

Before I get slaughtered on here, I just wanted to say that we always complain Skinner doesn't make the key save at a key time. Well wasn't it the same with Pickard last night?

Pickard basically did exactly what everyone here skewers Skinner for. Made a bunch of big saves at points, then gave up shitty goals when we needed him not to to balance it all out.

I'm sorry, but anyone that contends that Pickard is better than Skinner (not you), or should be starting over Skinner does not have any idea what they're talking about. Skinner leaves a lot to be desired, but if Pickard were starting the same amount of games as Skinner against the same opponents there is no way on this earth that the results would be better or even close to equal.

 

[Soundwave]

Quick would be a good fit if he was 2-3 years younger, I think he's better than Skinner even now, the problem with goalies that old (like Mike Smith) is you probably have to expect they will be gassed by the playoffs (which seemed to happen to Smith).

But if it's literally an option of doing nothing or having Quick, I take Quick.

If you're going to do this why not just go with Cam Talbot who is a bit younger and may have more left in the tank.

 

[soothsayer]

Good one - this has abosluely nothing to do with what you posted.

"Oilers won't upgrade Pickard because his stats are better!"

If they actually thought Pickard was the better goalie - logically they would be starting him more no?



Pickard basically did exactly what everyone here skewers Skinner for. Made a bunch of big saves at points, then gave up shitty goals when we needed him not to to balance it all out.

I'm sorry, but anyone that contends that Pickard is better than Skinner (not you), or should be starting over Skinner does not have any idea what they're talking about. Skinner leaves a lot to be desired, but if Pickard were starting the same amount of games as Skinner against the same opponents there is no way on this earth that the results would be better or even close to equal.

It's exactly related to what I said. Why would they look to upgrade the backup who is arguably playing better than their starter? It happens in the NHL where the backup will play better than the starter, yet the club still sticks with their starter for various reasons. Or do you not understand that?

 

[K1984]

It's exactly related to what I said. Why would they look to upgrade the backup who is arguably playing better than their starter? It happens in the NHL where the backup will play better than the starter, yet the club still sticks with their starter for various reasons. Or do you not understand that?

Because it isn't even arguable he's playing better than the starter. It's a ridiculous statement.

Do you understand that if you're claiming that they would sooner move on from Skinner instead of Pickard, that they would probably already be starting Pickard more? Or is that too complicated?

 

[Yuke]

I think the premise of that is just dumb.

Keeping Skinner but also adding a Cam Talbot (say at $2 million with some retention) or even John Gibson (at 50% retained) still keeps the Oilers spend on goaltending low but gives us a legit guy who can take over the starting role if Skinner shits the bed and needs to sit for a while.

What's wrong with having a decent tandem?

You say decent and then you toss out those guys. Lol
Back away from the stats a little and watch these guys.

 

[FlameChampion]

They actually set themselves up to match Holloway when they traded Ceci. They just decided not to do it. Instead they chose to bank cap space and go with cheaper replacements. Now had they not signed Skinner I suspect that they would have matched one or both of the players.

We will never know for sure, but I personally don’t think they ever planned on matching either player.

I think they probably knew they needed to move Ceci for cap reasons. I think they just made it look like they could match Holloway to get the extra pick and prospect from St. Louis.

I think when both players teamed up to put the Oilers in a bad spot, it was the end for both of them. I think from the Oilers perspective both players leveraging them crossed the line.

I could be wrong obviously.

 

[soothsayer]

Because it isn't even arguable he's playing better than the starter. It's a ridiculous statement.

Do you understand that if you're claiming that they would sooner move on from Skinner instead of Pickard, that they would probably already be starting Pickard more? Or is that too complicated?

You just ...make stuff up to support your position. It is obviously arguable for the reason I stated: Pickard has a better GAA, a better SV %, and a better win %. Your counter is that "there is no way on earth Pickard would have better numbers if he played as many games." Okay, why, because you said so? It occurred to you in a dream?

Anyways, Pickard has done his job as a backup, and if they were looking to go a 1a 1b route, they probably would have done it already.

 

[FlameChampion]

This true?

Even if true, he will be dog shit for us. He looked absolutely cooked before the Rangers. He will return to form under Schwartz once hes gone from the Rangers miracle goalie coach.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Quick would be a good fit if he was 2-3 years younger, I think he's better than Skinner even now, the problem with goalies that old (like Mike Smith) is you probably have to expect they will be gassed by the playoffs (which seemed to happen to Smith).

But if it's literally an option of doing nothing or having Quick, I take Quick.

If you're going to do this why not just go with Cam Talbot who is a bit younger and may have more left in the tank.

Quick, Talbot and even Reimer are all posting much stronger underlying numbers than Stu. We just need someone who can take the reins if he continues to be unplayable, and also mentor him in a way that Schwartz- who never reached even low level pro hockey- cannot.

Gibson continues to climb the ranks too, he's top 10 or close to in every key advanced metric now. I still can't figure out how we absorb that contract and it's a massive risk long term, but for this and next year maybe we can make it work.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Even if true, he will be dog shit for us. He looked absolutely cooked before the Rangers. He will return to form under Schwartz once hes gone from the Rangers miracle goalie coach.

He took long in the tooth to be as athletic as he was when he was much younger. That said the Oilers play good defense overall, so that might help, but I would look elsewhere. Connor Ingram (when he's healthy) or one of Talbot or Lyon from Detroit, though Dadbot is a bit much at $2.5M on the cap

 

[alphahelix]

Good one. Better save %, better GAA, better win %.

Playing less games, easier games, because hes the backup… still losing to teams like Anaheim

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Quick, Talbot and even Reimer are all posting much stronger underlying numbers than Stu. We just need someone who can take the reins if he continues to be unplayable, and also mentor him in a way that Schwartz- who never reached even low level pro hockey- cannot.

Gibson continues to climb the ranks too, he's top 10 or close to in every key advanced metric now. I still can't figure out how we absorb that contract and it's a massive risk long term, but for this and next year maybe we can make it work.

Reimer isn't better than anyone.

 

[soothsayer]

Playing less games, easier games, because hes the backup… still losing to teams like Anaheim

And Skinner lost to Columbus, who has 1 more win than Anaheim. The Oilers played like hot garbage last night through the lineup. And they had 10 shots near the end of the second period.

 

[K1984]

You just ...make stuff up to support your position. It is obviously arguable for the reason I stated: Pickard has a better GAA, a better SV %, and a better win %. Your counter is that "there is no way on earth Pickard would have better numbers if he played as many games." Okay, why, because you said so? It occurred to you in a dream?

Anyways, Pickard has done his job as a backup, and if they were looking to go a 1a 1b route, they probably would have done it already.

Some people are able to look at numbers like SV% and W%, look at them in context, and then understand why a better goalie might not have the same numbers as the worse goalie. In this case, it isn't even that hard to figure out. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be one of them.

Let me help you out. Look at Skinner's game logs, and take a moment to think about the frequency he plays, the quality of opponent, the amount of shots he faces, and the distribution of quality starts (hint - he's been on a run of good play for over a month now).

Stuart Skinner Stats And News

Conversely, look at Pickard's game logs and take a moment to think about the frequency he plays, the quality of opponents, the amount of shots he faces, and the distribution of quality starts.

Calvin Pickard Stats And News

A few moments of critical thought beyond "hIs SAvE% iS hIGeR!" might help you come to the obvious conclusion that Skinner is playing better hockey than Pickard and it isn't even close.