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[McDNicks17]

You know there's more to forechecking than hitting right? He was a very disruptive player in transition and frequently got pass breakups/takeaways against opposing defensemen. Frequently in the top quartile in the NHL in forecheck pressures per 60.

McLeod pressured in the same way RNH does. Stand 10 feet from your man and allow a completely unbothered pass up ice.

 

[foshizzle]

You still think this D core is amazing? LOL

They are top 5 in the NHL. Surely you are aware of that?

 

[foshizzle]

McLeod pressured in the same way RNH does. Stand 10 feet from your man and allow a completely unbothered pass up ice.

McLeod had a bad playoff last year- but the year before he was by far the best defensive centre we had. In fact, in that Vegas series, McLeod was originally matched up against Eichel and Eichel’s line couldn’t generate anything- it was when Woodcroft inexplicably changed the matchup and had McDavid match up against Eichel that the Eichel line started to dominate.

Yet Jackson, Bowman, Schwartz and two people in this thread are okay with the dogshit goaltending we’re getting. This is why proactive teams like Colorado have a Cup and we have Jack f*** all in the McDrai era.

In my opinion, if they aren’t willing to upgrade in net- then Schwartz needs to go

 

[foshizzle]

Honesty other than mcdrai playing together the offense is pretty dry.

We don’t have the depth to play them together, so go get it

They do- Knob is just being stubborn. Podz on the second line has 3 goals. That doesn’t cut it. You have a perennial 30 goal guy who came out in favour of Derek Ryan. RNH has 1 more even strength point than Skinner while playing with McDavid.

 

[VeteranPresence]

They do- Knob is just being stubborn. Podz on the second line has 3 goals. That doesn’t cut it. You have a perennial 30 goal guy who came out in favour of Derek Ryan. RNH has 1 more even strength point than Skinner while playing with McDavid.

We don't do equal accountability here, McDrai might get mad that one of their buddies is in trouble!

 

[foshizzle]

We don't do equal accountability here, McDrai might get mad that one of their buddies is in trouble!

Very true story!

 

[Yuke]

He has to stay up the whole time. If you want him to play in the AHL he has to go through waivers again and could be claimed.

Funny how a guy who thinks he has all the answers to the Oilers doesn't know that. Lol.

 

[Soundwave]

We don't do equal accountability here, McDrai might get mad that one of their buddies is in trouble!

Knob is being an idiot with some of his forward lineup decisions, no doubt about it.

Be a head coach dude. That means actually running the forward group too, not just "push McDavid button for points" as your entire offensive strategy.

 

[McTonyBrar]

They are top 5 in the NHL. Surely you are aware of that?

Based on tonight, it was brutal. Kulak is a great #5 who can fill in on #4 time to time. Stecher is not a top 4 defender

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Based on tonight, it was brutal. Kulak is a great #5 who can fill in on #4 time to time. Stecher is not a top 4 defender

Yeah, So you'll take 1 or 2 games over the sum of the season?

Nurse is a #7 then.

 

[foshizzle]

Based on tonight, it was brutal. Kulak is a great #5 who can fill in on #4 time to time. Stecher is not a top 4 defender

So you base the whole season off of 2 afternoon games after Christmas break…got it.

Oh by the way- if you used logic- you would know that second pair has been playing on par with typical Stanley cup teams 2nd pairs.

RNH needs to center his own line, it's the only way for this group to win matchups in the ploffs. It also mitigates the need for a 4C since Henrique looks like he belongs there anyway from now on.

At full health we would like this:

?-McDavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Kane-RNH-Kapanen
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry, Ryan

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-?
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher

?
Skinner

Chicago can full all three gaps- Hall, Murphy, and Soderblom. I know Murphy is not a popular option around here but he's managed to tread water and suppress opportunities on some truly awful clubs over the last few years. If we can get him for two playoffs runs at half the price, we're a better team for it like Colorado was when they picked up Manson.

Soderblom is a great young goalie and I'll bet the house on that. His stats are impressive for being on a basement club and he's younger than Blackwood with more years of control and we'll need that. Hall is Hall, he's bounced back from a rough start and his speed would kill in the top six.

Hall @ 75% ($1.5M)
Soderblom ($962K)
Murphy @ 50% ($2.2M)

==$4.66 mill. Finding a way to move J. Skinner in that deal makes it a lot easier right now but I think it's also achievable by running a 20-man roster closer to the deadline.

I just don't know if we have enough time to wait, but if Jeff is already on the outs maybe he waives now in the hopes of heavy playing time on a basement team with 15-20 games before he could be flipped to another contender. Otherwise I'd put any and all futures on the table for that package, we need to win today- not in 2027 or whatever. The window is now.

Excellent post. Only think I will disagree with is Podz on the second line. He provides no offense

 

[Soundwave]

Wonder why Anaheim didn't play Gibson against us, Dostal already played last night so they ran him again on a back to back which is a bit odd since they're not really in a playoff hunt at all.

Are they maybe thinking they can move Gibson here and didn't want to risk scuttling a deal if he had a poor game against us (ie: got McDavid-ed which can happen to the best of goalies) ?

EDIT: Looks like Gibson was just sick, so maybe it was that.

 

[Fourier]

McLeod had a bad playoff last year- but the year before he was by far the best defensive centre we had. In fact, in that Vegas series, McLeod was originally matched up against Eichel and Eichel’s line couldn’t generate anything- it was when Woodcroft inexplicably changed the matchup and had McDavid match up against Eichel that the Eichel line started to dominate.


In my opinion, if they aren’t willing to upgrade in net- then Schwartz needs to go

McLeod's line did do very well possession wise vs Eichel but still lost on the board 0-1. It was more Draisaitl than McDavid's line that was the issue. McDavid vs Eichel was a wash in goals 1-1 but McDavid's line won the possession war handily. It was Leon's line and the fourth line that Eichel's line chewed up.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

They do- Knob is just being stubborn. Podz on the second line has 3 goals. That doesn’t cut it. You have a perennial 30 goal guy who came out in favour of Derek Ryan. RNH has 1 more even strength point than Skinner while playing with McDavid.

I mean cmon. Skinner was a 30 goal guy, he isn't anymore..

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

RNH needs to center his own line, it's the only way for this group to win matchups in the ploffs. It also mitigates the need for a 4C since Henrique looks like he belongs there anyway from now on.

At full health we would like this:

?-McDavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Kane-RNH-Kapanen
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry, Ryan

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-?
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher

?
Skinner

Chicago can full all three gaps- Hall, Murphy, and Soderblom. I know Murphy is not a popular option around here but he's managed to tread water and suppress opportunities on some truly awful clubs over the last few years. If we can get him for two playoffs runs at half the price, we're a better team for it like Colorado was when they picked up Manson.

Soderblom is a great young goalie and I'll bet the house on that. His stats are impressive for being on a basement club and he's younger than Blackwood with more years of control and we'll need that. Hall is Hall, he's bounced back from a rough start and his speed would kill in the top six.

Hall @ 75% ($1.5M)
Soderblom ($962K)
Murphy @ 50% ($2.2M)

==$4.66 mill. Finding a way to move J. Skinner in that deal makes it a lot easier right now but I think it's also achievable by running a 20-man roster closer to the deadline.

I just don't know if we have enough time to wait, but if Jeff is already on the outs maybe he waives now in the hopes of heavy playing time on a basement team with 15-20 games before he could be flipped to another contender. Otherwise I'd put any and all futures on the table for that package, we need to win today- not in 2027 or whatever. The window is now.

This is a great post ^


- We badly need a top 6 winger, badly. I don't think it's being talked about enough around here.
- We obviously need a top 4 defensemen, but we all know it's happening.
- Nuge for sure would be more effective come playoff time centering his own line
- Don't think anything happens on the goalie front. IDK

The time to win is 100 percent now. Even next year gets more iffy.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Fire Jeff Jackson, fire Stan the man, fire Dustin, fire Warren and most or all of the pro scouting staff.

Do you realize over the years we could have been something like this.

Staois POHO

Eric Tlusky, Sean Burke Co GMs

Mitch Korn was available at one point. Goaltending coach.

Ross Mahoney assistant GM amd head of pro scouting.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Fire Jeff Jackson, fire Stan the man, fire Dustin, fire Warren and most or all of the pro scouting staff.

Do you realize over the years we could have been something like this.

Staois POHO

Eric Tlusky, Sean Burke Co GMs

Mitch Korn was available at one point. Goaltending coach.

Ross Mahoney assistant GM amd head of pro scouting.

lol

 

[Scrapin Ice]

lol

yeah its ridiculous. Thats sort of the point.

 

[foshizzle]

I mean cmon. Skinner was a 30 goal guy, he isn't anymore..

His last 3 years…33,35,24 and playing with no one on the same planet as McDavid and Draisaitl

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

yeah its ridiculous. Thats sort of the point.

oh it’s ridiculous

 

[VeteranPresence]

A weekly reminder of how inept our GM/POHO are...

Jonathan Kovacevic: 39 GP, 11 pts, +16, 19:56 (2026 4th)
Dante Fabbro: 21 GP, 8 pts, +11, 21:24 (waivers)
Cam Fowler: 8 GP, 5 pts, +5, 22:20 (2027 2nd and ECHL prospect)
Alexandre Carrier: 5 GP, 4 pts, +3, 18:59 (Justin Barron)

There were not one but four opportunities to improve our D for minimal cost the last few months but these dumb dumbs couldn't find a way to do it. We're now most assuredly going to overpay at the deadline for a player who doesn't fit our needs (Mike Matheson, come on down) and then the "brain" trust will wonder why it didn't work. Real hard to win a Cup when you have to outplay other teams, the refs, your own goalie, and also management.

 

[K1984]

A weekly reminder of how inept our GM/POHO are...

Jonathan Kovacevic: 39 GP, 11 pts, +16, 19:56 (2026 4th)
Dante Fabbro: 21 GP, 8 pts, +11, 21:24 (waivers)
Cam Fowler: 8 GP, 5 pts, +5, 22:20 (2027 2nd and ECHL prospect)
Alexandre Carrier: 5 GP, 4 pts, +3, 18:59 (Justin Barron)

There were not one but four opportunities to improve our D for minimal cost the last few months but these dumb dumbs couldn't find a way to do it. We're now most assuredly going to overpay at the deadline for a player who doesn't fit our needs (Mike Matheson, come on down) and then the "brain" trust will wonder why it didn't work. Real hard to win a Cup when you have to outplay other teams, the refs, your own goalie, and also management.

Do you have a list of all the other players that were transacted in the same time period that didn't work out swimmingly for teams? Or are we going to pretend that every move every team makes works other than the Oilers?

Wait until the deadline to have a panic attack. Until then it's a waste of breath.

 

[McTonyBrar]

So you base the whole season off of 2 afternoon games after Christmas break…got it.

Oh by the way- if you used logic- you would know that second pair has been playing on par with typical Stanley cup teams 2nd pairs.


Excellent post. Only think I will disagree with is Podz on the second line. He provides no offense

I'm just saying man that we're going to need a Dman eventually. What if Nurse doesn't stay at his 100% level all year?

 

[VeteranPresence]

Do you have a list of all the other players that were transacted in the same time period that didn't work out swimmingly for teams? Or are we going to pretend that every move every team makes works other than the Oilers?

I'd list all those failures but it would probably be easier just to look at our roster since Bowman and Jackson have the largest amount of whiffs since the Draft out of anyone.

Wait until the deadline to have a panic attack. Until then it's a waste of breath.

And this is why we do not have a Cup in modern memory- other teams proactively address their weaknesses, but we ignore them and keep stressing "patience" that things will just magically work themselves out. Spoiler: they don't.

 

[McTonyBrar]

This true?