Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[NashtoNowitzki]

Aaaaaany day now on the goalie.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Save percentage and GSAx over a long sample. The numbers that capture the “slew” of numbers you are cherry picking.

The NHL's average save percentage this year is 0.900. Skinner is rocking an 0.894. He is playing below average. Or is that not the stat you want to use any more?

 

[TheNumber4]

The NHL's average save percentage this year is 0.900. Skinner is rocking an 0.894. He is playing below average. Or is that not the stat you want to use any more?

Yes, currently below average. Trending to be above average like he was for the last 2 years. Why wouldn’t I use that stat? It shows exactly what I’ve said abou Skinners whole year, not good enough to start the year, but trending to good again.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Yes, currently below average. Trending to be above average like he was for the last 2 years. Why wouldn’t I use that stat? It shows exactly what I’ve said abou Skinners whole year, not good enough to start the year, but trending to good again.

“Trending to be above average”. He’s just as likely to go back to being terrible as he is to continue playing well.

 

[TheNumber4]

“Trending to be above average”. He’s just as likely to go back to being terrible as he is to continue playing well.

Just as likely. That’s why it didn’t happen the previous 2 years?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Just as likely. That’s why it didn’t happen the previous 2 years?

Oh wow skinner bounced back from his dog shit start season last year. That must mean he does it this year.

he’s about as up and down as it gets and you are only kidding yourself if you think different.

 

[TheNumber4]

Oh wow skinner bounced back from his dog shit start season last year. That must mean he does it this year.

he’s about as up and down as it gets and you are only kidding yourself if you think different.

I mean that’s more than what you are going off of to say the opposite.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

As much as people want that to be true, the clearer need is a reliable 4C. Otherwise the Oilers are running either Derek Ryan or a winger in that role.

Upgrading on Pickard would be nice and not impossible, but the more he continues to play well, the less likely it becomes. Also of note the 24 year old prospect in Bakersfield currently sporting a 0.921 in 17 starts.

When it comes to the 4th line they need to see what they have in Philp.

By my count they have 25 games between New Year's Day and the TDL, imo Philp should see about 15 of them, so the team can get a beat on whether he's a legitimate option for the playoffs or if another 3/4C is needed.


RNH-McDavid-Arvidsson
Podz-Drai-Hyman
Kane-Henrique-Kap
Janmark-Philp-Brown/Perry

I think RV and Hyman get swapped as the team tries to establish a grind/cycle line with Drai. If Kane looks good, I also wouldn't be surprised to see him with McDavid in the playoffs.

 

[Mr Kot]

Waaaaaaaaah

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

It's my understanding that the fancy stats have our overall D performance as top tier. Now, that includes things other than defensemen, such as our system and of course forwards doing good D plays.

We can still look at it and see spots that can be better, and might not hold up in the playoffs, even if it has worked good enough to this point. The biggest spot is 2nd pair RD, letting Kulak anchor the 3rd pair. The next need is for a goalie to challenge Skinner

Honesty other than mcdrai playing together the offense is pretty dry.

We don’t have the depth to play them together, so go get it

 

[NashtoNowitzki]

Year 10 of Mcdavid. Never had even a league-average GM. Pathetic.

 

[Oilking83]

Year 10 of Mcdavid. Never had even a league-average GM. Pathetic.

We haven’t had a legit starter since Dwayne Roloson

 

[VeteranPresence]

We haven’t had a legit starter since Dwayne Roloson

Yet Jackson, Bowman, Schwartz and two people in this thread are okay with the dogshit goaltending we’re getting. This is why proactive teams like Colorado have a Cup and we have Jack f*** all in the McDrai era.

 

[Oilhawks]

Goaltending is clearly not the only issue, but IMO it's still the primary issue

Can management figure out how to get these two slotted appropriately?

X
Skinner (1B)

Pickard (AHL - ditch Delia)

It's negligence at this point

 

[VeteranPresence]

Goaltending is clearly not the only issue, but IMO it's still the primary issue

Can management figure out how to get these two slotted appropriately?

X
Skinner (1B)

Pickard (AHL - ditch Delia)

It's negligence at this point

Bowman had three major items to check off his list heading into the year- productive winger depth, a top 4 D, and a goalie- and he’s wasted half a season without attempting to fix any of them. This is Chiarelli levels of incompetence, whoever keeps recommending we hire has beens needs to pack their shit.

 

[McTonyBrar]

What are you talking about? The Oilers are a top 5 defensive team in the NHL. I’ve come to the conclusion that you just consolidate all the opinions of the people on your algorithm and just pass it off as your own without doing any actual analysis yourself.

NHL Team Stats

Stats and Graphs For All NHL Teams

moneypuck.com

It only that- but the signing of Skinner prevented the Oilers matching on Holloway

You still think this D core is amazing? LOL

 

[Soundwave]

Year 10 of Mcdavid. Never had even a league-average GM. Pathetic.

Honestly I think Lowe or even Mac T would have done a better job if they had been forced to stay.

The problem Lowe had was getting top end players to come here, when he had an elite player he went balls to the wall to try and win a Cup and damn near got it done within 1 year of a cap.

Chiarelli was cooked in Boston and doing dumb things there already and that just continued here, Holland was bland and average, a few good moves followed up by bad ones and moving at a snail's pace.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Bowman had three major items to check off his list heading into the year- productive winger depth, a top 4 D, and a goalie- and he’s wasted half a season without attempting to fix any of them. This is Chiarelli levels of incompetence, whoever keeps recommending we hire has beens needs to pack their shit.

He actually ended up opening more holes in the form of us losing multiple forecheckers with speed in Holloway, Foegele, and McLeod, removing an entire element of our team composition combined with the Evander Kane injury. Instead, we're stuck with meme centers like Henrique and Ryan and whatever the hell Jeff Skinner calls "playing hockey". We'd have a much better chance of filling that top 4 D spot if we just kept Broberg too. It's really something else.

 

[McDNicks17]

He actually ended up opening more holes in the form of us losing multiple forecheckers with speed in Holloway, Foegele, and McLeod, removing an entire element of our team composition combined with the Evander Kane injury. Instead, we're stuck with meme centers like Henrique and Ryan and whatever the hell Jeff Skinner calls "playing hockey". We'd have a much better chance of filling that top 4 D spot if we just kept Broberg too. It's really something else.

Forechecker...McLeod...whaaa?

 

[Soundwave]

He actually ended up opening more holes in the form of us losing multiple forecheckers with speed in Holloway, Foegele, and McLeod, removing an entire element of our team composition combined with the Evander Kane injury. Instead, we're stuck with meme centers like Henrique and Ryan and whatever the hell Jeff Skinner calls "playing hockey". We'd have a much better chance of filling that top 4 D spot if we just kept Broberg too. It's really something else.

Not really going to fault him for the offer sheet thing, that was all on Jackson and Holland for creating that situation and then it becomes that whole thing of "we just made a Finals! DA ROOM! DA ROOM! Have to keep DA ROOM vibes good, these guys signed offer sheets and it'll throw off the vibe in DA ROOM!".

I'll give him a chance, but you better believe that leash is short.

 

[Oilhawks]

You still think this D core is amazing? LOL

They’re literally last on the list of pressing issues on this team

Do you think a middle pairing D is going to solve the scoring and goaltending issues?

Darnell was back to Dumbnell today, and Bouchard has been rough D all season. They’ll still be on the time, it won’t magically solve the issues with those two either

 

[oilers4life5]

When it comes to the 4th line they need to see what they have in Philp.

By my count they have 25 games between New Year's Day and the TDL, imo Philp should see about 15 of them, so the team can get a beat on whether he's a legitimate option for the playoffs or if another 3/4C is needed.


RNH-McDavid-Arvidsson
Podz-Drai-Hyman
Kane-Henrique-Kap
Janmark-Philp-Brown/Perry

I think RV and Hyman get swapped as the team tries to establish a grind/cycle line with Drai. If Kane looks good, I also wouldn't be surprised to see him with McDavid in the playoffs.

I would rather get a 3rd line centre and push Hen down.

 

[Soundwave]

Sooner this mom's trip is over the better, team is clearly playing like they're on Christmas holiday still because of it.

Can we leave Henrique in Anaheim and they give us Gibson at 50% retained? Thanks.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Forechecker...McLeod...whaaa?

You know there's more to forechecking than hitting right? He was a very disruptive player in transition and frequently got pass breakups/takeaways against opposing defensemen. Frequently in the top quartile in the NHL in forecheck pressures per 60.

 

[VeteranPresence]

RNH needs to center his own line, it's the only way for this group to win matchups in the ploffs. It also mitigates the need for a 4C since Henrique looks like he belongs there anyway from now on.

At full health we would like this:

?-McDavid-Hyman
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Kane-RNH-Kapanen
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Perry, Ryan

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-?
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher

?
Skinner

Chicago can fill all three gaps- Hall, Murphy, and Soderblom. I know Murphy is not a popular option around here but he's managed to tread water and suppress opportunities on some truly awful clubs over the last few years. If we can get him for two playoffs runs at half the price, we're a better team for it like Colorado was when they picked up Manson and used him in the same way on their second pair.

Soderblom is a great young goalie and I'll bet the house on that. His stats are impressive for being on a basement club and he's younger than Blackwood with more years of control and we'll need that. Hall is Hall, he's bounced back from a rough start and his speed would kill in the top six.

Hall @ 75% ($1.5M)
Soderblom ($962K)
Murphy @ 50% ($2.2M)

==$4.66 mill. Finding a way to move J. Skinner in that deal makes it a lot easier right now but I think it's also achievable by running a 20-man roster closer to the deadline.

I just don't know if we have enough time to wait, but if Jeff is already on the outs maybe he waives now in the hopes of heavy playing time on a basement team with 15-20 games before he could be flipped to another contender. Otherwise I'd put any and all futures on the table for that package, we need to win today- not in 2027 or whatever. The window is now.