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[CupofOil]

That was such a dumb trade. A 3rd for Bjugstad was more than enough. That piece was a seed that Holland planted in case he wants a job in Utah

I hate to pine for former players and hated when others did but the difference is that others were pining for the likes of Bear and I forget the other mediocre player they let go that a certain group of the fanbase was frothing at the mouth over losing but Broberg and Kesselring are going to haunt the Oilers for years while they scramble to find top 4 Dmen and if they do it'll probably be some older guy who is only a short term solution.

Broberg bothers me a little less so even though he'll be more impactful than Kesselring long term most likely because they had less control of that situation but literally giving away Kesselring for an inconsequential rental will forever stick in my craw.

 

[Canovin]

I hate to pine for former players and hated when others did but the difference is that others were pining for the likes of Bear and I forget the other mediocre player they let go that a certain group of the fanbase was frothing at the mouth over losing but Broberg and Kesselring are going to haunt the Oilers for years while they scramble to find top 4 Dmen and if they do it'll probably be some older guy who is only a short term solution.

Broberg bothers me a little less so even though he'll be more impactful than Kesselring long term most likely because they had less control of that situation but literally giving away Kesselring for an inconsequential rental will forever stick in my craw.

Broberg had one foot out the door so it hurt a little less and the Blues are essentially paying him 7M. Holloway was just throw in. We will start to see how clear that is soon enough.

Kesselring's skill level was as clear as day and he showed flashes of that quite often and leading up to that trade which makes that trade so stupid to begin with.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Broberg
Kulak-Kesselring

That's a nice looking Dcorps

 

[North]

I hate to pine for former players and hated when others did but the difference is that others were pining for the likes of Bear and I forget the other mediocre player they let go that a certain group of the fanbase was frothing at the mouth over losing but Broberg and Kesselring are going to haunt the Oilers for years while they scramble to find top 4 Dmen and if they do it'll probably be some older guy who is only a short term solution.

Broberg bothers me a little less so even though he'll be more impactful than Kesselring long term most likely because they had less control of that situation but literally giving away Kesselring for an inconsequential rental will forever stick in my craw.

I seem to recall you and I were pretty high on Kesselring early on.

I do believe we have something in Wanner and Akey if he can get back on track.

Yevseyev is intriguing as well if we can get him out of Russia.

 

[GOilers88]

To be fair, if they had scored 2 more goals last season, nobody would give two shits about Kesselring anymore. But they came up a couple goals short so we're going to hear about it forever now.

I liked him too. He's gone. The team got as close to a Cup as you can get with what they bought with him. Let's get over it.

Edit: He ain't it boys.
Let me cope god dammit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nhl/s/tKZ5oK3uR8

 

[CupofOil]

I seem to recall you and I were pretty high on Kesselring early on.

I do believe we have something in Wanner and Akey if he can get back on track.

Yevseyev is intriguing as well if we can get him out of Russia.

Yeah, it was you, me @Bryanbryoil and @Fourier who were high on Kesselring as far as I know from the beginning really. I usually err on the optimistic side but I hated that trade from the moment it was announced.

In any event, if there's one organizational strength in the pipeline it's RHD so I have hope for these guys to potentially be....something down the line. It's pretty barren elsewhere for the most part outside of Savoie and O'Reilly. Holland and his regime really left the Oilers in a bad spot long term.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Michael Kesselring. Why did the Oilers botch this one too? Weren't all signs pointing to him being at minimum an NHL player? We got a handful of games from Bjugstad and ine playoff goal? MK is now 24, RHD, 20+ minutes, 6-5, can skate and is signed 1.4M x 2 more seasons. We chose Vinny over this player? Vinny who has no kffensive skill and is 4 years older? If the Oilers had Broberg and Kesselring instead of Emberson and Stetcher, they might win the Cup in 20 playoff games or less.

The Oilers talent evaluation under Holland was pretty suspect...maybe even putrid. Saved by UFA signings, Ekholm trade and generational 1st round draft picks.

It was dumb as dumb could be. We were all complaining about Ceci already and Kesselring showed a huge uptick in goalscoring and showed real improvement. Then Vinny got a shot and I guess they figured that Vinny and Ceci were going to be here long term so why keep this guy tearing up the AHL that just so happened to be big and a RHD? Personally I think that there were issues between him and Woody or someone in the org didn't like him because he never even got a game in with the big club.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

To be fair, if they had scored 2 more goals last season, nobody would give two shits about Kesselring anymore. But they came up a couple goals short so we're going to hear about it forever now.

I liked him too. He's gone. The team got as close to a Cup as you can get with what they bought with him. Let's get over it.

Edit: He ain't it boys.
Let me cope god dammit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nhl/s/tKZ5oK3uR8

So time stops when you win the cup? You don't trade quality prospects for anything but game changers that put you over the top or quality role players that are signed to decent deals.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Maybe give it more than 6 games before making sweeping statements?

It’s not a complete conclusion but early goings…not looking good.

 

[Fourier]

Yeah, it was you, me @Bryanbryoil and @Fourier who were high on Kesselring as far as I know from the beginning really. I usually err on the optimistic side but I hated that trade from the moment it was announced.

In any event, if there's one organizational strength in the pipeline it's RHD so I have hope for these guys to potentially be....something down the line. It's pretty barren elsewhere for the most part outside of Savoie and O'Reilly. Holland and his regime really left the Oilers in a bad spot long term.

What bugged me most about this deal was it seemed at the time like he was just a throw in. A contract you send the other way just because it has no value to you.

 

[Mr Positive]

A lot can be forgiven if management does land that 2nd pair RD that we need, and if that move results in improvements in Nurse.

Right now it makes sense that we'd pine over Broberg because the hole in defense is glaring.

I'd say that Stecher has been playing great and it's making the pairing work. Imo we are okay until deadline.

 

[Mr Positive]

What bugged me most about this deal was it seemed at the time like he was just a throw in. A contract you send the other way just because it has no value to you.

Just like with Broberg though, of course these players have an easier time to succeed on a much worse team. They can get all the opportunity they would want. It's not like St Louis or Arizona had to sacrifice anything to make room for them.

This is the downside of having a contender. You are always stressed for cap space and bleed good players. Contenders tend to lose their trades

We are still a great contender. Even these points to bash the decisions are along the margins for the most part

 

[Soundwave]

Just like with Broberg though, of course these players have an easier time to succeed on a much worse team. They can get all the opportunity they would want. It's not like St Louis or Arizona had to sacrifice anything to make room for them.

This is the downside of having a contender. You are always stressed for cap space and bleed good players. Contenders tend to lose their trades

We are still a great contender. Even these points to bash the decisions are along the margins for the most part

The frustrating part is how a few guys get massive run way on this team and certain players/prospects don't.

How did Kailer Yamamoto get approximately 8038737439383 chances to play fairly big minutes, but a player like Broberg did not? Kesselring didn't even get 1 game with the NHL team while Vincent Desharnais got a boat load.

Stuart Skinner is anointed the savior in net, while guys like Stolarz got tossed aside.

This team really loves to anoint certain players as "locks" and then not give chances to other guys.

 

[Shathar]

If you look at the last little while in snapshots, there are some things that don't look very good. I can't pretdict the future, and I couldn't 5 months ago. Or when Nurse signed that contract. Or... any time in between.

There is a slew of things that didn't work out as intended. Personally I can't spend my days shitting on anyone for it; what the hell do I know except some things I thought were good ideas might have been good in retrospect. That certainly doesn't make me a hockey genius. It's just math.

But if we don't win a cup very soon, those things (why name them, we all know them) will haunt this organization.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Skinner for Gibson 60%. 3rd team involved.

Acquiring a worse goalie that's injury prone is not the answer

 

[Mr Positive]

The frustrating part is how a few guys get massive run way on this team and certain players/prospects don't.

How did Kailer Yamamoto get approximately 8038737439383 chances to play fairly big minutes, but a player like Broberg did not? Kesselring didn't even get 1 game with the NHL team while Vincent Desharnais got a boat load.

Stuart Skinner is anointed the savior in net, while guys like Stolarz got tossed aside.

This team really loves to anoint certain players as "locks" and then not give
chances to other guys.

Broberg did get a couple big pushes. At the start of the year last year they put Broberg with Ekholm with the idea of giving him a push. But, we lost games because Ekholm got hurt, Bouchard didn't pan out with Nurse, and McDavid got hurt. Then we lost games, the coach was replaced and the new coach needed wins at all costs and Broberg got the shaft.

Broberg did get a good chance in the playoffs and did well. He was going to get his push this year again but management refused to give him a cent for his growth potential.

For opportunities, I do say it is mostly luck, and that we are a contender who can't bend the way that a lesser team can

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

how wild is it that Chiarelli is the best drafting GM the Oilers had in years

McDavid, Jones, Bear, Marino in 2015
Jesse and Desharnais (7th rounder) in 2016
Skinner in 2017
Bouchard, McLeod and Kesselring in 2018

Holland and Wright will probably go down as one of the worst drafters in Oilers history

 

[Shanahanigans]

how wild is it that Chiarelli is the best drafting GM the Oilers had in years

McDavid, Jones, Bear, Marino in 2015
Jesse and Desharnais (7th rounder) in 2016
Skinner in 2017
Bouchard, McLeod and Kesselring in 2018

Holland and Wright will probably go down as one of the worst drafters in Oilers history

I know Marino left on his own terms but in the decade since we've drafted Mcdavid, we only have Bouchard on the roster as a homegrown player. In ten years. Wow.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I know Marino left on his own terms but in the decade since we've drafted Mcdavid, we only have Bouchard on the roster as a homegrown player. In ten years. Wow.

Since McDavid's draft year, Florida only had Lundell on the roster as a homegrown player. In eleven years.

You can add Knight to make two this year.

 

[Soundwave]

how wild is it that Chiarelli is the best drafting GM the Oilers had in years

McDavid, Jones, Bear, Marino in 2015
Jesse and Desharnais (7th rounder) in 2016
Skinner in 2017
Bouchard, McLeod and Kesselring in 2018

Holland and Wright will probably go down as one of the worst drafters in Oilers history

Puljujarvi in 2016 was a massive whiff. Probably really in the long run cost Chiarelli his job. If he had taken Tkachuk or Sergachev there, things are probably very different for Chiarelli down the line.

Benson over DeBrincat when you already know DeBrincat has chemistry with McDavid was utterly stupid too.

2018 was a good draft, unfortunately for Chia he got himself fired not soon after that under a mountain of stupid.

 

[FlameChampion]

The thing that is frustrating with Kesselring is we never even gave him a chance.

The guy literally looked good every preseason. Many of the posters on this board could see it.

But the organization wouldn’t play him for reasons. This organization is terrible with young players.

I wasn’t advocating for the Broberg and Holloway offer sheets but I do think the organization didn’t do much to help them. Broberg had games where he got like 2 minutes.

Even someone like Stolarz who was an Oiler. We didn’t even play him one game did we? And I think the season was a write off at that point,

I sort of see the same thing with Philp. Sure theres no harm in him playing in the AHL. But the organization should also be playing guys who look ready and giving them some rope.

Lavoie is another guy we wouldn’t even play.

I really question how some decisions are made here. This organization is so afraid of playing some younger guys.

 

[VeteranPresence]

We probably can't wait this long to do it, but Chicago has three pieces that would fit well here at the deadline:

To Chicago- O'Reilly, 2026 Oilers 1st, 2025 Blues 2nd
To Cap Broker- 2026 Oilers 3rd
To Edmonton- Murphy (50%), Hall (75%), Soderblom

$30K under Kane's available LTIR.

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Hall-Henrique-Brown
Janmark-Ryan-Perry

Ekholm-Bouch
Nurse-Murphy
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher/Dermott

Skinner
Pickard
Soderblom

This gives you a decent secondary goalie option if Skinner continues to struggle at Campbell-esque levels while shoring up the D. Hall also helps replace some of the speed we lost this off-season. Plus when Kane is healthy, we could look to reunite the Janmark/Henrique/Brown line that did so much damage in the ploffs:

Skinner-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Hall-RNH-Perry
Janmark-Henrique-Brown

No team can challenge us on that center depth and I'd say 1-6 our D would go from a weakness to a real strength. Just need the wingers to deliver for that to be a finalist again.

 

[McDNicks17]

We probably can't wait this long to do it, but Chicago has three pieces that would fit well here at the deadline:

To Chicago- O'Reilly, 2026 Oilers 1st, 2025 Blues 2nd
To Cap Broker- 2026 Oilers 3rd
To Edmonton- Murphy (50%), Hall (75%), Soderblom

$30K under Kane's available LTIR.

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Hall-Henrique-Brown
Janmark-Ryan-Perry

Ekholm-Bouch
Nurse-Murphy
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher/Dermott

Skinner
Pickard
Soderblom

This gives you a decent secondary goalie option if Skinner continues to struggle at Campbell-esque levels while shoring up the D. Hall also helps replace some of the speed we lost this off-season. Plus when Kane is healthy, we could look to reunite the Janmark/Henrique/Brown line that did so much damage in the ploffs:

Skinner-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Hall-RNH-Perry
Janmark-Henrique-Brown

No team can challenge us on that center depth and I'd say 1-6 our D would go from a weakness to a real strength.

I don't think I'd give up a 1st for that package let alone two.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

We probably can't wait this long to do it, but Chicago has three pieces that would fit well here at the deadline:

To Chicago- O'Reilly, 2026 Oilers 1st, 2025 Blues 2nd
To Cap Broker- 2026 Oilers 3rd
To Edmonton- Murphy (50%), Hall (75%), Soderblom

$30K under Kane's available LTIR.

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Hall-Henrique-Brown
Janmark-Ryan-Perry

Ekholm-Bouch
Nurse-Murphy
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher/Dermott

Skinner
Pickard
Soderblom

This gives you a decent secondary goalie option if Skinner continues to struggle at Campbell-esque levels while shoring up the D. Hall also helps replace some of the speed we lost this off-season. Plus when Kane is healthy, we could look to reunite the Janmark/Henrique/Brown line that did so much damage in the ploffs:

Skinner-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Hall-RNH-Perry
Janmark-Henrique-Brown

No team can challenge us on that center depth and I'd say 1-6 our D would go from a weakness to a real strength. Just need the wingers to deliver for that to be a finalist again.

Might try to include Emberson in one of those deals, and I think it overpays the Hawks a bit.

 

[McTonyBrar]

A lot can be forgiven if management does land that 2nd pair RD that we need, and if that move results in improvements in Nurse.

Right now it makes sense that we'd pine over Broberg because the hole in defense is glaring.

I'd say that Stecher has been playing great and it's making the pairing work. Imo we are okay until deadline.

Nurse needs improvement but he’s been our best Dman next to Kulak so far. Bouchard and Ekholm have been shit

 

[Mr Positive]

Nurse needs improvement but he’s been our best Dman next to Kulak so far. Bouchard and Ekholm have been shit

I'm hoping that me and others were right about Nurse in that he just needs the right style of D partner for him to play well. Stecher seems like a very good fit even if overall he isn't that great.

As for Bouch and Ekholm I agree they are off, but I'm not worried about them. It's easy to over analyze a bad pattern so early in the year. But that cuts both ways and I'm not ready to say Nurse is back to the form that got him his contract