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[McTonyBrar]

Seravalli says Jiricek is moved tonight or tomorrow morning.

Yeah its Nashville and Vancouver I bet

Adding a casual $13M in salary seems realistic.

I doubt he means both to be moved lol

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Seravalli says Jiricek is moved tonight or tomorrow morning.

Yeah its Nashville and Vancouver I bet

Come Edmonton surprise. I wonder if O'Reilly for him would work for the Jackets.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Correct, so we need to upgrade on him or find a legitimate 1A/B that isn't Pickard.

Skinner is doing what he has always done. Be fine for periods of time, then implode for periods of time. If you think it's wise to go into the playoffs with the dichotomy then good for you, but winning teams would find a real backup plan or get rid of him all together.

When will the scoring start? I just said the Oilers scored 3 or more goals in 7 of the last 8 games, and that's still with the power play being ass. The goals are coming now and there's plenty of room for more when the PP clicks.

Yes, but that's still not the wingers who we absolutely need more goals out of. Too many forwards with very low point totals. Good thing our defense is tops in the league in offense.

As for Skinner, you're going to have to ask Dustin Schwartz. You know, the guy who scouted Jack Campbell. So good luck.

 

[Arpeggio]

At full boat, totally, but he's probably ALOT better then most realize. Again, Dallas Eakins coached that team for several years

This team cannot afford to spend even half of Gibson's salary on a goaltender right now, unless it's an absolute slam dunk (or they're sending salary back, which unless they're giving up on Jeff Skinner, seems unlikely). This whole offseason gamble was based on them significantly upgrading the d group at the deadline. It'll be so disappointing if they move away from that.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

This team cannot afford to spend even half of Gibson's salary on a goaltender right now, unless it's an absolute slam dunk (or they're sending salary back, which unless they're giving up on Jeff Skinner, seems unlikely). This whole offseason gamble was based on them significantly upgrading the d group at the deadline. It'll be so disappointing if they move away from that.

He's absolute upgrade on Pickard and is very likely upgrade on Skinner.

I think you could move Skinner out East, honestly, because there are competitive teams that could use skill and he's played out their his entire career.

It's absolutely a risk, but this isn't some $6M maybe, it's a guy with a long track record, the issue is he was beaten down by a team that a complete and utter disaster.

Also, Anaheim would absolutely have to eat 50%.

 

[FlameChampion]

Seravalli says Jiricek is moved tonight or tomorrow morning.

Yeah its Nashville and Vancouver I bet


I doubt he means both to be moved lol

Gonna guess Calgary or Vancouver just to annoy us lol

 

[K1984]

Yes, but that's still not the wingers who we absolutely need more goals out of. Too many forwards with very low point totals. Good thing our defense is tops in the league in offense.

As for Skinner, you're going to have to ask Dustin Schwartz. You know, the guy who scouted Jack Campbell. So good luck.

I don't need to ask Dustin Schwartz to acknowledge the black and white fact that Skinner has never been consistent, and the inconsistency that gets worse when the games get bigger in the playoffs.

But yes, all 4 of RNH, Hyman, Skinner, and Arvidsson, that individually have all produced with a level of consistency over their entire careers, are ALL going to just not score for the entirety of this season. More likely for sure. If this is your tact you should be even more interested in upgrading the goaltending if you truly feel that basically every scoring player on the team will never score again.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I don't need to ask Dustin Schwartz to acknowledge the black and white fact that Skinner has never been consistent, and the inconsistency that gets worse when the games get bigger in the playoffs.

But yes, all 4 of RNH, Hyman, Skinner, and Arvidsson, that individually have all produced with a level of consistency over their entire careers, are ALL going to just not score for the entirety of this season. More likely for sure. If this is your tact you should be even more interested in upgrading the goaltending if you truly feel that basically every scoring player on the team will never score again.

Oh but you see, Schwartz scouts the goalies and gives upper management his ideas. As long as he's here it's not getting any better.

And you're right, they have. But right now, they're not. And none of them are really showing any signs of turning it around.

 

[North]

Come Edmonton surprise. I wonder if O'Reilly for him would work for the Jackets.

Does Jiricek help now? That’s the issue.

It would be nice to get him to offset the loss of Broberg but we need someone that can move the needle now.

 

[Oilhawks]

Gonna guess Calgary or Vancouver just to annoy us lol

I dunno, Jiricek might be a fine dman once he settles in, but this team needs a project D with purported 'speed' issues like a hole in the head

They need to get a developed D, not another (slower) Broberg

 

[K1984]

Oh but you see, Schwartz scouts the goalies and gives upper management his ideas. As long as he's here it's not getting any better.

And you're right, they have. But right now, they're not. And none of them are really showing any signs of turning it around.

So you're admitting goaltending is a problem?

Right now 2 of 3 of them are out of the lineup. Arvidsson was showing plenty of signs of turning it around until he got hurt, and Hyman is producing chances at the same clip he always has, but it truly snake bitten (was also producing ahead of injury). RNH is the sole player that has truly shown few to no signs of a turnaround, but he's also done this for large segments of games before prior to waking up. It's frankly absurd to suggest that just none of them will score again.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Does Jiricek help now? That’s the issue.

It would be nice to get him to offset the loss of Broberg but we need someone that can move the needle now.

I believe he does, but he improves the depth and gives them a young, cheap option on the blueline.

Young and cheap is huge for this team.

He's also cheap enough where he doesn't have to be the ONLY add, he can be one of the adds, making the team better overall.

 

[North]

I believe he does, but he improves the depth and gives them a young, cheap option on the blueline.

Young and cheap is huge for this team.

He's also cheap enough where he doesn't have to be the ONLY add, he can be one of the adds, making the team better overall.

It would be but we have precious few assets.

If the option is a maybe or an actual top four d with a proven track record, I know what I would want to spend assets on.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So you're admitting goaltending is a problem?

Right now 2 of 3 of them are out of the lineup. Arvidsson was showing plenty of signs of turning it around until he got hurt, and Hyman is producing chances at the same clip he always has, but it truly snake bitten (was also producing ahead of injury). RNH is the sole player that has truly shown few to no signs of a turnaround, but he's also done this for large segments of games before prior to waking up. It's frankly absurd to suggest that just none of them will score again.

I'm admitting that a guy who was hired a decade ago because the Oilers were lazy and has seen goaltending consistently be a problem since his arrival is a problem.

But I've also never said that goaltending ISN'T a problem. I'm just saying it's not the ONLY problem with the team. And that trusting Schwartz to fix it would be a bad idea.

As for the wingers, we're still waiting. 22 games in and the four have combined for a paltry 11 goals. As I said, the longer this continues the more it isn't an anomaly. We're starting to see why Jeff Skinner and Arvidsson were deemed expendable. We're fortunate that Kulak, Bouchard, and even Corey Perry seem to be picking up the slack. We're still 18th in offense.

 

[FlameChampion]

I dunno, Jiricek might be a fine dman once he settles in, but this team needs a project D with purported 'speed' issues like a hole in the head

They need to get a developed D, not another (slower) Broberg

I still don’t really know what kind of dman compliments Nurse. Furthermore I’m not convinced that a 20 year old is it.

I generally have lots of opinions of what I think the Oilers should do but I’m generally lost on how they should find a suitable dman that they can afford realistically in terms of assets and cap.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Okay so Vancouver is out on Jiricek. So is Philly and Pittsburgh. According to Seravalli, Nashville may not have enough to give up

 

[North]

I still don’t really know what kind of dman compliments Nurse. Furthermore I’m not convinced that a 20 year old is it.

I generally have lots of opinions of what I think the Oilers should do but I’m generally lost on how they should find a suitable dman that they can afford realistically in terms of assets and cap.

We need to find a top four version of Kulak.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It would be but we have precious few assets.

If the option is a maybe or an actual top four d with a proven track record, I know what I would want to spend assets on.

I mean, sure, or...try to improve a bunch, because they have more than a few assets.

 

[iCanada]

NHL Edge tells a different story as I've posted. Those are validated results through the NHL's in arena technology. His actual goal scoring results ... actual goal scoring results also tell another story.

It's a dishonest argument which hurts your credibility trying to tie the fluke Fleury wiff with a Game 7 Cup Winning Goal that has several cited contributory factors.

EDIT: Just to add his mid-range shot volume is also 80 percentile+ range across the last three seasons and playoffs. So he not only is well above NHL average shots from mid-range but as I've shown he is consistently among elite in mid-range finishing.

NHL edge didn't exist last year, so you're looking at non existent stats.

Also, that shot wouldn't have been classified as a miss range shot as the angle is too extreme.

But regardless - even in the data from NHL edge this year - it literally shows his mid range shooting percentage as NHL average?

That's literally what I said - he's an average shooter with gets a lot of volume from high danger locations. Exactly what the chart I posted said - which again - would have raw data from the same source and NHL edge - the NHL API.

 

[Oilhawks]

I still don’t really know what kind of dman compliments Nurse. Furthermore I’m not convinced that a 20 year old is it.

I generally have lots of opinions of what I think the Oilers should do but I’m generally lost on how they should find a suitable dman that they can afford realistically in terms of assets and cap.

Yup, I'm also reluctant to pair a young guy just breaking into the league (that can't break in on one of the worst teams in the league as well, apparently) with Nurse, who is having a good year with a stable partner (Kulak).

Honestly, I would much much rather they see how it goes with Emberson and look at another goalie instead. Wait until the TDL to grab a D.

 

[McFlash97]

I believe he does, but he improves the depth and gives them a young, cheap option on the blueline.

Young and cheap is huge for this team.

He's also cheap enough where he doesn't have to be the ONLY add, he can be one of the adds, making the team better overall.

People keep forgetting, Jiricek is a highly touted D, who has some NHL experience and is as good as Broberg was in the AHL. He is also further along in his development at 20 than Broberg was at the same age. Jiricek within 20 games would be just as good as Broberg was with this roster. He might not be as fast as Broberg , however is is still a good skater and seems to have more tools in the arsenal. Physical, shooting, defensive IQ. A guy like Coffey would turn this guy into a monster.

 

[North]

Okay so Vancouver is out on Jiricek. So is Philly and Pittsburgh. According to Seravalli, Nashville may not have enough to give up

Nashville giving up assets for nothing biting them in the butt.

Somebody posted about their first round picks going back to 2013 (not all of them but 8 of them - traded 4 (Jones, Fiala, Askarov, Tomasino), 2 years they didn’t have a first round pick, and 2 they lost on waivers (Tolvanen and Fabbro).

Ugly.

 

[TheNumber4]

I love taking flyers on talent. But I don't really get this potential that Jiricheck is supposed to have. Apparently it's offensive potential? When has he shown that?

 

[FlameChampion]

Would people trade Savoie for Jirichek?

I’d have to think hard about it. But I’m personally not as high on Savoie as some but I think it would be foolish to assume Jirichek can fill RD2 anytime soon.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

People keep forgetting, Jiricek is a highly touted D, who has some NHL experience and is as good as Broberg was in the AHL. He is also further along in his development at 20 than Broberg was at the same age. Jiricek within 20 games would be just as good as Broberg was with this roster. He might not be as fast as Broberg , however is is still a good skater and seems to have more tools in the arsenal. Physical, shooting, defensive IQ. A guy like Coffey would turn this guy into a monster.

I don't pretend to be an expert about the player, he may have some significant warts, however he's a very high pick and appears (in limited time) to put up solid metrics.

From what I can gleam from a distance, Columbus wants more offense out of him, but he seems to not have strength in that area, though I'm not an 100% on why they've sored on my, but it happens. t

The Oilers can really take advantage of situation.