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[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That Oilers team dominated the Kings. Baba Soothsayer could have won that series in net.

And even if the Oilers didn't score a lot, they would have needed 3, 4 and 5 goals to win those first three games. Against the Panthers. In the Stanley Cup Finals.

Oh Lord, we forget the crucial game 4 where Skinner blanked the Kings, but fine, whatever. He was still very good against a very good Dallas team

As for the finals, again, you don't score you don't win. And you're being oddly dismissive of the Panthers despite being without a doubt THE best team in the conference and perhaps the league. Not even Igor Shesterkin shut out the Panthers. That game 2 performance was pitiful, as evidenced by McDavid ripping the team a new one after it was over.

Skinner is as bad as we say. It's a compliment to how frightenly good the team was last year.

Skinner was 51st in GSAx/60 last year. Yeah.

Well they weren't good enough to win the Cup. Hard to win when you don't score.

 

[Echodek]

Then why haven't the Oilers made it before Skinner was around? You can't blame him entirely for everything then discount when he does things well. If Skinner was as horrific as people say then we're cooked by the Kings. He was fine during the Finals. You know what killed us there? Our inability to score.

Also without Skinner we don't get past Dallas. Period.

You’re suggesting that it was Skinner that took us to the Finals????

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

That's not what I said. I'm saying if Skinner was as bad as you guys paint him out to be we don't even make it out of the first round.

I couldn't give a damn about sv% when the team mustered 5 goals in the 4 losses in the series. Blaming the series loss entirely on him is utterly ridiculous when the team scored 1 goal or less in 3 of the 4 losses.

He has historically bad playoff numbers even with the great Dallas series. For every good game you can point out you can point out 3 bad.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He has historically bad playoff numbers even with the great Dallas series. For every good game you can point out you can point out 3 bad.

Okay, but you still can't win if you can't score. There isn't a team in NHL history that has won a hockey game while scoring no goals. Very few win when they only score 1. I noticed that the two games the Panthers only scored 1 they didn't win.

You’re suggesting that it was Skinner that took us to the Finals????

I'm suggesting that if this Oilers team was so good even before Skinner they would've made it to the Finals long before he arrived.

 

[Soundwave]

Dostal has been goalieing us for years. We were one his first nhl wins I believe. I certainly. Remember 2-3 years ago playing him and he stole the f***ing show.


Terrible argument. Skinner was 2 goals away from winning the cup. Would you say the same about him if the oilers managed to score 2 more goals last year?

Oilers probably win that Cup with Talbot (even the current version) in net, though.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Oilers probably win that Cup with Talbot (even the current version) in net, though.

He of the 5 GAA in the playoffs last year? That Talbot?

 

[Echodek]

Okay, but you still can't win if you can't score. There isn't a team in NHL history that has won a hockey game while scoring no goals. Very few win when they only score 1. I noticed that the two games the Panthers only scored 1 they didn't win.


I'm suggesting that if this Oilers team was so good even before Skinner they would've made it to the Finals long before he arrived.

Right, because Skinner was the obvious missing piece to a berth in the Stanley Cup Finals.

 

[CupofOil]

Jeff Skinner for Mcleod. Who says no? The Sabres.

Definitely starting to get a little sellers remorse on trading McLeod, not really crazy what I'm seeing from Savoie in these early days either, but I have a feeling that he'd be struggling here because when one depth guy struggles here they all do and holy hell is it a struggle for every non-McDrai forward outside of the fossil of Corey Perry. It's actually quite remarkable how literally every forward outside of those 3 is playing as poorly as can be or just simply can't score at all.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Right, because Skinner was the obvious missing piece to a berth in the Stanley Cup Finals.

There's a difference between saying what you're saying and what I'm saying. I'm saying he had some struggles, but at the same time he still did improve after his reset. And if you think differently, then have at it.

 

[soothsayer]

Oh Lord, we forget the crucial game 4 where Skinner blanked the Kings, but fine, whatever. He was still very good against a very good Dallas team

As for the finals, again, you don't score you don't win. And you're being oddly dismissive of the Panthers despite being without a doubt THE best team in the conference and perhaps the league. Not even Igor Shesterkin shut out the Panthers. That game 2 performance was pitiful, as evidenced by McDavid ripping the team a new one after it was over.


Well they weren't good enough to win the Cup. Hard to win when you don't score.

That's the point. If you're in the Finals, you're playing one of the best teams in the NHL usually at their peak. Getting torched in net with back-to-back-to-back sub .900 sv% so that your team needs to score an average of 4 goals/game is a death sentence. Like I said, it was a miracle the Oilers dragged Stuart Skinner's brutal performance to game 7. And then he let in a muffin AHL caliber goal to put Florida up 2-1 in the finals and ultimately win the game.

 

[Oilslick941611]

You’re suggesting that it was Skinner that took us to the Finals????

I don’t think anyone, even his most ardent supporters are suggesting that. But he was good enough. My involvement in this started because someone said kuemper was better because he won a cup to which I suggest skinner was 2 goals away from a cup.

Skinner has not been it this year and I want to see rodrigue get some games before we make a trade for a new goalie. Especially since we are only 4 points out of 1st in the division. It’s been a bad season but it hasn’t been a disaster we are making it out be. The only disaster so far as been ego and the season is season is still salvageable.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That's the point. If you're in the Finals, you're playing one of the best teams in the NHL usually at their peak. Getting torched in net with back-to-back-to-back sub .900 sv% so that your team needs to score an average of 4 goals/game is a death sentence. Like I said, it was a miracle the Oilers dragged Stuart Skinner's brutal performance to game 7.

Skinner would've needed a sv% of 1.000% to win 3 of the 4 games they lost.

How come the Panthers didn't win the games where they scored a single goal?

 

[Echodek]

I don’t hate Skinner, I’m sure he’s a lovely fellow. I just don’t think he’s got it in him to elevate his game to the point where he wins you a Stanley Cup. And if it comes down to the team having to consistently out-score his short comings then that’s a gamble I’d sooner not have to take.

 

[CupofOil]

That's the point. If you're in the Finals, you're playing one of the best teams in the NHL usually at their peak. Getting torched in net with back-to-back-to-back sub .900 sv% so that your team needs to score an average of 4 goals/game is a death sentence. Like I said, it was a miracle the Oilers dragged Stuart Skinner's brutal performance to game 7. And then he let in a muffin AHL caliber goal to put Florida up 2-1 in the finals and ultimately win the game.

The Oilers lost the finals because they couldn't score.
Yes the Stanley Cup winning goal was a softy but the top guys got shut out in that game just like they did in the other losses in that series so it shouldn't have come down to that if they had merely done what great players do and score even one.

Not to take away from the fact that Skinner has been brutal this season and has had some dips in his career but it's like some people forget that he's had plenty of good stretches as well over the previous 2 seasons including the Dallas and Florida series.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The Oilers lost the finals because they couldn't score.
Yes the Stanley Cup winning goal was a softy but the top guys got shut out in that game just like they did in the other losses in that series so it shouldn't have come down to that if they had merely done what great players do and score even one.

Not to take away from the fact that Skinner has been brutal this season and has had some dips in his career but it's like some people forget that he's had plenty of good stretches as well over the previous 2 seasons including the Dallas and Florida series.

I feel like some people really underestimate how good the Panthers were. If it weren't for Shesterkin they would've swept the President's Trophy winning Rangers cleanly.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

Oh Lord, we forget the crucial game 4 where Skinner blanked the Kings, but fine, whatever. He was still very good against a very good Dallas team

As for the finals, again, you don't score you don't win. And you're being oddly dismissive of the Panthers despite being without a doubt THE best team in the conference and perhaps the league. Not even Igor Shesterkin shut out the Panthers. That game 2 performance was pitiful, as evidenced by McDavid ripping the team a new one after it was over.


Well they weren't good enough to win the Cup. Hard to win when you don't score.

I understand that you're President of the "Stuart Skinner Fan Club", but honestly what would it take for you to jump off his bandwagon, and start blaming him for some of this team's woes?

How much worse would he have to get? Would you jump off if his save % fell to .800? How about .750?

This is a genuine question. Is there a point where he shit the bed so badly that you wouldn't sleep in it?

 

[Soundwave]

He of the 5 GAA in the playoffs last year? That Talbot?

He wouldn't have to play against McDavid and Draisaitl who have the entire book on him.

Talbot is a better goalie than Skinner. Who here even denies that? *crickets*.

He would have been a difference in at least 1 of the 4 games Skinner lost in the Finals. He's good enough that he can match, even exceed Bobrovsky in one of those 4 games.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I understand that you're President of the "Stuart Skinner Fan Club", but honestly what would it take for you to jump off his bandwagon, and start blaming him for some of this team's woes?

How much worse would he have to get? Would you jump off if his save % fell to .800? How about .750?

This is a genuine question. Is there a point where he shit the bed so badly that you wouldn't sleep in it?

There's a difference between thinking Skinner is a problem and thinking he's the ONLY problem. He needs to be better, nobody would argue otherwise. But the team is still not getting enough offense up front, their power play is middling (something Skinner has absolutely nothing to do with), and frankly their efforts aren't inspiring.

I'm also not going to blame him for the overall organizational incompetence when it comes to goaltending, something that's been a problem long before he arrived and will likely persist long after he's gone.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Skinner won us the Vancouver series like a 12 year old takes the family to Disney Land wtf lol.

In the finals he wasn't really a huge factor positively, and he wasn't really particularly good either; posted a .905 game 7, .952 game 6 (we scored 6, Florida only had 2.6 xGF), .906 game 5, .970 game 4 (we scored 8, Florida only had 1.3 xGF), .826 game game 3, .833 game 2, and an .882 game 1.

He was literally garbage tier in three games, then below average in two games, and in two games he had an easy night where he wasn't tested and we dominated Florida.

You cant change Fanboy minds

 

[iCanada]

You cant change Fanboy minds

Fair.

Although I think I've converted a lot of the board at this point...

At this point last year it was pretty much just me and @Drivesaitl saying Skinner wasn't it.

 

[Soundwave]

Fair.

Although I think I've converted a lot of the board at this point...

At this point last year it was pretty much just me and @Drivesaitl saying Skinner wasn't it.

I'm sure Chiarelli still has 1 fan on this board somewhere.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I'm sure Chiarelli still has 1 fan on this board somewhere.

The Oilers have plenty of fans who think the organization is well run.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You cant change Fanboy minds

It’s like arguing with flat earthers. You can present all the evidence in the world but it’s still not good enough.

 

[soothsayer]

The Oilers lost the finals because they couldn't score.
Yes the Stanley Cup winning goal was a softy but the top guys got shut out in that game just like they did in the other losses in that series so it shouldn't have come down to that if they had merely done what great players do and score even one.

Not to take away from the fact that Skinner has been brutal this season and has had some dips in his career but it's like some people forget that he's had plenty of good stretches as well over the previous 2 seasons including the Dallas and Florida series.

The difference between the Panthers and the Oilers in game 7 was that one bad goal. The Oilers couldn't score just like the Panthers couldn't score, except for that one awful goal by Skinner. No one should be surprised or perplexed that game 7 of the stanley cup finals was a 1-1 game. It is supposed to literally be the best game that both of the two best teams play in an entire season.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The difference between the Panthers and the Oilers in game 7 was that one bad goal. The Oilers couldn't score just like the Panthers couldn't score, except for that one awful goal by Skinner. No one should be surprised or perplexed that game 7 of the stanley cup finals was a 1-1 game. It is supposed to literally be the best game that both of the two best teams play in an entire season.

Okay, but they could've scored more. They scored 18 goals in the previous 3 games. Even if Skinner didn't let in the second one the Oilers still would've had to score a second goal regardless.