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[Jumptheshark]

No, people are blaming him because he's been the only consistent part of the no-consistent goaltending for his entire tenure.

He needs to be fired, because they have to do something new.


You take a flyer on a guy making less than $1M, you can carry 3 for a bit, then waive one who doesn't work out.

People just think they know everything when it comes to everything when it comes to coaching, trading and everything else when it comes to hockey. Unless you are in the room you have no idea what is going on

 

[McShogun99]

Askarov has 3 NHL games under his belt. Would you trade Stuart for Askarov?

In an instant but zero chance San Jose does that trade.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The dude has 8 career games in the NHL. You can’t deal Skinner away now for someone as unproven as that.


Ingram has worse numbers than Skinner this year and worse career numbers.

What are we doing here?

Because I think, behind a quality defense, he could get his level of play from a year ago back.

People just think they know everything when it comes to everything when it comes to coaching, trading and everything else when it comes to hockey. Unless you are in the room you have no idea what is going on

No, people can see the glaring problem that has been continual for the entire tenure of a coach who seems to get no scrutiny and seems to have provided little. Like he also works with Tristian Jarry so ...

It's time for him to no longer part of the organization, because they need to do something different, because the goaltending hasn't been good enough overall during his entire time here.

 

[Soundwave]

People just think they know everything when it comes to everything when it comes to coaching, trading and everything else when it comes to hockey. Unless you are in the room you have no idea what is going on

If your goaltending isn't a strength, I think you should just auto fire your coach every 5 years anyway. Coaches are hired to be fired, the only loyalty should be to someone who is exceptional at their job and that means exception results.

 

[brentashton]

The dude has 8 career games in the NHL. You can’t deal Skinner away now for someone as unproven as that.


Ingram has worse numbers than Skinner this year and worse career numbers.

What are we doing here?

Grasping at straws and getting worse (if that’s even possible) if we do that type of goalie trade.

 

[Soundwave]

Grasping at straws and getting worse (if that’s even possible) if we do that type of goalie trade.

Not really. Even if you pay some peanuts for Ingram at 50% say, who has been bad this year, he has had good numbers (considering the team) the previous two years.

If nothing else is available I'd at least take the shot at least you have a 3rd option.

 

[brentashton]

Not really. Even if you pay some peanuts for Ingram at 50% say, who has been bad this year, he has had good numbers (considering the team) the previous two years.

If nothing else is available I'd at least take the shot at least you have a 3rd option.

Fill yer boots.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Fill yer boots.

I mean he's a bit over the top with Skinner, but the concern is huge, because this team is very good, plays very good defense, but can't seem to play level.

Every team makes mistake, but not all those mistakes end up in their net each time. It's something to be examined seriously.

 

[brentashton]

I mean he's a bit over the top with Skinner, but the concern is huge, because this team is very good, plays very good defense, but can't seem to play level.

Every team makes mistake, but not all those mistakes end up in their net each time. It's something to be examined seriously.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

They're sitting one point out of a playoff spot right now with the mandate to make the playoffs. Throwing in the towel this early would cost Yzerman his job. At best we're hoping for months down the line and acquiring a goalie late into the season makes no sense.

Go after Lyon instead

 

[McTonyBrar]

I wonder if we have interest in Scott Mayfield? He’d be a decent right handed top 4

 

[brentashton]

I wonder if we have interest in Scott Mayfield? He’d be a decent right handed top 4

He was awful the other night for NYI.

 

[belair]

I wonder if we have interest in Scott Mayfield? He’d be a decent right handed top 4

32, coming off a bad season cut short by a broken ankle and $3.5m for another six seasons. That's a big ticket for a guy that's averaging just over 18 minutes a night and likely not hitting another level offensively.

Needs more of a puck transporter as a favorable partner and he's prone to DZ turnovers and untimely penalties. Sounds like a pricier Desharnais.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Blackwood not pitching a shutout tonight but still playing pretty well.

 

[russ99]

You can look up advanced metrics for yourself, it's clear you don't know anything about them and are operating on a POV that's about 14 months out of date.

Rather than operating on a POV that’s 7+ years old, which is when the Oiloblogosphere invented advanced stats. Even the most savvy math people admit current metrics don’t tell the whole story, only tell the story the best way that math can today.

Like that thing that came out in preseason where the Oilers stats team are looking for context that may not appear in just the pure numbers.

And the outright refusal to come up with new metrics like sortie time, coverage metrics, defender effect on goals and saves, or info from that NHL goal simulation that can be mined and yet stick to shots (and shot derived metrics) like they’re Jesus is what frustrates me the most.

So yeah I love advanced stats, given we see advancement in the stats.

 

[Spawn]

Good post and you make some valid points.
I have posted this before....when a team has so much firepower in 2 players like this a team does drift away from playing a team defensive game. That happens because being able to outscore mistakes has 2 sides to it. You can secure wins that you had no business winning but it can also be a problem over the long term.

This team has on many occasions outscored their mistakes because of Connor and Leon and if they insist on playing like that then an average NHL goalie like Skinner is not going to work.
I dont think that they will win much of anything until the team (as a whole) commits to playing defence but having the 2 best offensive players in the NHL makes that quite challenging.
Especially when those 2 players dont commit to proper puck management and proper defensive coverage. The grade A chances against they do give up are 10 bell chances and are usually rush chances.

If Connor and Leon can commit (full time) to playing a smarter defensive game (which includes more responsible puck management) then the rest of the team will follow their lead.
If that happens then this team is going to be very hard to beat as the average goaltending then becomes 'good enough' to win with.

All that being said the only thing I would suggest is that Skinner (obviously) needs to be better and the team does need to upgrade the defence (and possibly the bottom 6 functional grit) by trade deadline.
The current version of this team is very soft. Softest team in the NHL and I am not sure how well that is going to work in the grind that is the playoffs.

"The team wont win much of anything" as if the team isn't a few months removed from losing 2-1 in game 7 of the SCF where literally the only difference was our goalie gave up a bad goal and theirs didn't.

This isn't the decade of darkness. There's a certain portion of this fanbase that still thinks the team and McDavid and Draisaitl aren't committed to defense as if they are a rookie Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle out there. It's a clown take, completely unsupported by any logic or intelligence. It comes across either as trolling or as cognitive decline.

Rather than operating on a POV that’s 7+ years old, which is when the Oiloblogosphere invented advanced stats. Even the most savvy math people admit current metrics don’t tell the whole story, only tell the story the best way that math can today.

Like that thing that came out in preseason where the Oilers stats team are looking for context that may not appear in just the pure numbers.

And the outright refusal to come up with new metrics like sortie time, coverage metrics, defender effect on goals and saves, or info from that NHL goal simulation that can be mined and yet stick to shots (and shot derived metrics) like they’re Jesus is what frustrates me the most.

So yeah I love advanced stats, given we see advancement in the stats.

It doesn't take advanced stats to know the Oilers goaltending is brutal. Just watch any Oilers game, see the performance the other teams goalie gives them and see the performance our goalie gives us.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Dustin Schwartz has defenders here. And as long as he's here no upgrade is coming. So we're stuck with Skinner/Pickard unless one of them gets hurt.

I know of a chick who knows a guy who can make that happen.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Dallas puts the boots to Boston again. The pressure in Boston will be immense.
They have no first line center and Swayman is playing like poop.

 

[aspin3]

Stuart Skinner has never been as good as Talbot and never will be. If Talbot was on the present team, Skinner would be a back up.

The guy simply moves like a sloth in net, you think "youth" is magically going to correct that.

Notice how erroneous your posts this afternoon were? It happened just as I stated. The differential in shots for compared to against for the Oilers is completely deceiving. The Oilers shots are high danger whereas the oilers give up a breakaway with just iver 2 minutes left. The Oilers always make the other goalie look great....tonight again...a waiver wire pickup looks like a star. So many of their shots are pucks that just rill into the goalie because they pass it and pass it and try to take it in the corner pocket. Not sure how so many don't see this. It is not a coincidence that the oilers almost outshoot their opponent but can't get over 2 goals

??

I think the odds that a goalie comes here and is not last place in key categories (or 2nd last place) is pretty good lol

What are we even talking about here?

A goalie coming here doesn't mean he won't be worse? Worse than cow dung?


Skinner had overall atrocious numbers in the playoffs. What are you looking at? Also, Edmonton wa sthe best defensive team. That helps a best at average goalie. Hey, if you don't dream of cheering for this team wining a cup, all the power to you.

They are not winning with this fraud unless they go full 1980's Oilers for every game in the playoffs.

Would encourage ypu to look at Skinnersbplayoff stats last year compare to talbot who everyone wants. Note how it happened exactly as I called it. The differential in shots for compared to against for the Oilers is completely deceiving. The Oilers shots are high danger whereas the oilers give up a breakaway with just iver 2 minutes left. The Oilers always make the other goalie look great....tonight again...a waiver wire pickup looks like a star. So many of their shots are pucks that just rill into the goalie because they pass it and pass it and try to take it in the corner pocket. Not sure how so many don't see this. It is not a coincidence that the oilers almost outshoot their opponent but can't get over 2 goals

 

[aspin3]

Who was Talbot facing in the playoffs? Playoff McDavid and Draisaitl.

Skinner was facing uh ... Arvidsson and Kempe. Swap the goalies and McDavid and Draisaitl would've been arrested in LA for the things they'd do to Skinner.

No way, no chance in hell Skinner is as good as Talbot.

The only goalie Skinner has ever outplayed in Edmonton is a guy (I'm not making light of it, but it's likely true) who had a substance abuse/drinking problem in Campbell. You don't just develop that problem over night, almost certainly that guy was drinking here and probably in Toronto too.

Pickard is an AHL goalie who literally has identical stats to Skinner since coming here (he's not good enough either).

Name one aspect of his game that Skinner is presently better at than 2 years ago. *crickets*

How out of touch do you have to be? Tonight's game was a perfect example. We outahoit the other team by a wide margin and can't get more than 2 goals. Our shooting % is 29th in the league. Exactly as I said ....our shots are not quality. We do tinnes of passes but then the pick just rolls off our stick and on net.... compare that to giving up a breakaway with a little over 2 mins left. Again we make a waiver wire goalie look like Hasek

 

[Soundwave]

Notice how erroneous your posts this afternoon were? It happened just as I stated. The differential in shots for compared to against for the Oilers is completely deceiving. The Oilers shots are high danger whereas the oilers give up a breakaway with just iver 2 minutes left. The Oilers always make the other goalie look great....tonight again...a waiver wire pickup looks like a star. So many of their shots are pucks that just rill into the goalie because they pass it and pass it and try to take it in the corner pocket. Not sure how so many don't see this. It is not a coincidence that the oilers almost outshoot their opponent but can't get over 2 goals


Would encourage ypu to look at Skinnersbplayoff stats last year compare to talbot who everyone wants. Note how it happened exactly as I called it. The differential in shots for compared to against for the Oilers is completely deceiving. The Oilers shots are high danger whereas the oilers give up a breakaway with just iver 2 minutes left. The Oilers always make the other goalie look great....tonight again...a waiver wire pickup looks like a star. So many of their shots are pucks that just rill into the goalie because they pass it and pass it and try to take it in the corner pocket. Not sure how so many don't see this. It is not a coincidence that the oilers almost outshoot their opponent but can't get over 2 goals

I stand by everything I said. Just because you want to make up a magical narrative and ignore every advanced statistic doesn't make it so. Teams have mistakes and break downs.

Here's fun fact too ... at 9-7-1, the Oilers actually this season now have a better record than the last two years at game 17, despite the forwards and goalies playing like shit for most of the first 17 games.

The only reason that record is not like 5-11-1 instead is because the 5 on 5 D has largely held their own as McDavid has really only played like himself for the last 3 games.

So as far as I'm concerned the people who think they're the problem can go kiss the D's ass. They're the main reason the team is above .500 and not having to climb an uphill mountain towards Christmas to get back over .500.

Also Skinner might get his job taken by a freaking AHL call up.

 

[aspin3]

You are

I stand by everything I said. Just because you want to make up a magical narrative and ignore every advanced statistic doesn't make it so. Teams have mistakes and break downs.

Here's fun fact too ... at 9-7-1, the Oilers actually this season now have a better record than the last two years at game 17, despite the forwards and goalies playing like shit for most of the first 17 games.

The only reason that record is not like 5-11-1 instead is because the 5 on 5 D has largely held their own as McDavid has really only played like himself for the last 3 games.

So as far as I'm concerned the people who think they're the problem can go kiss the D's ass. They're the main reason the team is above .500 and not having to climb an uphill mountain towards Christmas to get back over .500.

Also Skinner might get his job taken by a freaking AHL call up.

Thos are idiotic comments. By your own rationale the Oilers couldnt score more than 2 goals in regulation against a waiver wire pick up goalie and a bottom 5 team. You talk all this while ignoring the facts and obviously not watching any of the games. With over 2 minutes left they give up a breakaway. Just a few games ago against Vegas they give up 2 goals by Vegas on complete breakdowns by the D including one with 48 seconds left.

Just FYI, goalies are getting burned left, right and centre all accross the league this year. Ullmark just let in 5 goals on 19 shots this year. And you igore again that when the Oilers score at least 3 goals we have an incredible record. The problem is we have barely score over 2 goals on the majority of games.....again 29th in shooting %. If the Oilers were not 29th in shooting percentage and averaging 3 GF this year we would not even be talking about goaltending. I can guarantee you that.

 

[Soundwave]

You are

Thos are idiotic comments. By your own rationale the Oilers couldnt score more than 2 goals in regulation against a waiver wire pick up goalie and a bottom 5 team. You talk all this while ignoring the facts and obviously not watching any of the games. With over 2 minutes left they give up a breakaway. Just a few games ago against Vegas they give up 2 goals by Vegas on complete breakdowns by the D including one with 48 seconds left.

Just FYI, goalies are getting burned left, right and centre all accross the league this year. Ullmark just let in 5 goals on 19 shots this year. And you igore again that when the Oilers score at least 3 goals we have an incredible record. The problem is we have barely score over 2 goals on the majority of games.....again 29th in shooting %. If the Oilers were not 29th in shooting percentage and averaging 3 GF this year we would not even be talking about goaltending. I can guarantee you that.

So exactly how do they even have 9 wins at this point? You think teams are giving them charity points?

The forwards have been bad this year, McDavid even has only exploded the last 3 games.

The goalies have not been good.

Knoublaugh's tighter D structure at 5 on 5 is the main reason they are above .500 right now, if it wasn't for that they'd be several games below.

The D has done their job.

Also Skinner is probably going to get his job taken by an AHL cast off, is he going to blame the team and yell at them for that too?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Blackwood not pitching a shutout tonight but still playing pretty well.

35 shots against playing against NY and a 0.913

 

[Soundwave]

35 shots against playing against NY and a 0.913

Blackwood should definitely be on our radar. He's played on bad teams most of his career and still battles. Skinner can't even outplay Pickard by any kind of margin.