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[Jumptheshark]

No, people are blaming him because he's been the only consistent part of the no-consistent goaltending for his entire tenure.

He needs to be fired, because they have to do something new.


You take a flyer on a guy making less than $1M, you can carry 3 for a bit, then waive one who doesn't work out.

People just think they know everything when it comes to everything when it comes to coaching, trading and everything else when it comes to hockey. Unless you are in the room you have no idea what is going on

 

[McShogun99]

Askarov has 3 NHL games under his belt. Would you trade Stuart for Askarov?

In an instant but zero chance San Jose does that trade.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The dude has 8 career games in the NHL. You can’t deal Skinner away now for someone as unproven as that.


Ingram has worse numbers than Skinner this year and worse career numbers.

What are we doing here?

Because I think, behind a quality defense, he could get his level of play from a year ago back.

People just think they know everything when it comes to everything when it comes to coaching, trading and everything else when it comes to hockey. Unless you are in the room you have no idea what is going on

No, people can see the glaring problem that has been continual for the entire tenure of a coach who seems to get no scrutiny and seems to have provided little. Like he also works with Tristian Jarry so ...

It's time for him to no longer part of the organization, because they need to do something different, because the goaltending hasn't been good enough overall during his entire time here.

 

[Soundwave]

People just think they know everything when it comes to everything when it comes to coaching, trading and everything else when it comes to hockey. Unless you are in the room you have no idea what is going on

If your goaltending isn't a strength, I think you should just auto fire your coach every 5 years anyway. Coaches are hired to be fired, the only loyalty should be to someone who is exceptional at their job and that means exception results.

 

[brentashton]

The dude has 8 career games in the NHL. You can’t deal Skinner away now for someone as unproven as that.


Ingram has worse numbers than Skinner this year and worse career numbers.

What are we doing here?

Grasping at straws and getting worse (if that’s even possible) if we do that type of goalie trade.

 

[Soundwave]

Grasping at straws and getting worse (if that’s even possible) if we do that type of goalie trade.

Not really. Even if you pay some peanuts for Ingram at 50% say, who has been bad this year, he has had good numbers (considering the team) the previous two years.

If nothing else is available I'd at least take the shot at least you have a 3rd option.

 

[brentashton]

Not really. Even if you pay some peanuts for Ingram at 50% say, who has been bad this year, he has had good numbers (considering the team) the previous two years.

If nothing else is available I'd at least take the shot at least you have a 3rd option.

Fill yer boots.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Fill yer boots.

I mean he's a bit over the top with Skinner, but the concern is huge, because this team is very good, plays very good defense, but can't seem to play level.

Every team makes mistake, but not all those mistakes end up in their net each time. It's something to be examined seriously.

 

[brentashton]

I mean he's a bit over the top with Skinner, but the concern is huge, because this team is very good, plays very good defense, but can't seem to play level.

Every team makes mistake, but not all those mistakes end up in their net each time. It's something to be examined seriously.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

They're sitting one point out of a playoff spot right now with the mandate to make the playoffs. Throwing in the towel this early would cost Yzerman his job. At best we're hoping for months down the line and acquiring a goalie late into the season makes no sense.

Go after Lyon instead

 

[McTonyBrar]

I wonder if we have interest in Scott Mayfield? He’d be a decent right handed top 4

 

[brentashton]

I wonder if we have interest in Scott Mayfield? He’d be a decent right handed top 4

He was awful the other night for NYI.

 

[belair]

I wonder if we have interest in Scott Mayfield? He’d be a decent right handed top 4

32, coming off a bad season cut short by a broken ankle and $3.5m for another six seasons. That's a big ticket for a guy that's averaging just over 18 minutes a night and likely not hitting another level offensively.

Needs more of a puck transporter as a favorable partner and he's prone to DZ turnovers and untimely penalties. Sounds like a pricier Desharnais.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Blackwood not pitching a shutout tonight but still playing pretty well.

 

[russ99]

You can look up advanced metrics for yourself, it's clear you don't know anything about them and are operating on a POV that's about 14 months out of date.

Rather than operating on a POV that’s 7+ years old, which is when the Oiloblogosphere invented advanced stats. Even the most savvy math people admit current metrics don’t tell the whole story, only tell the story the best way that math can today.

Like that thing that came out in preseason where the Oilers stats team are looking for context that may not appear in just the pure numbers.

And the outright refusal to come up with new metrics like sortie time, coverage metrics, defender effect on goals and saves, or info from that NHL goal simulation that can be mined and yet stick to shots (and shot derived metrics) like they’re Jesus is what frustrates me the most.

So yeah I love advanced stats, given we see advancement in the stats.

 

[Spawn]

Good post and you make some valid points.
I have posted this before....when a team has so much firepower in 2 players like this a team does drift away from playing a team defensive game. That happens because being able to outscore mistakes has 2 sides to it. You can secure wins that you had no business winning but it can also be a problem over the long term.

This team has on many occasions outscored their mistakes because of Connor and Leon and if they insist on playing like that then an average NHL goalie like Skinner is not going to work.
I dont think that they will win much of anything until the team (as a whole) commits to playing defence but having the 2 best offensive players in the NHL makes that quite challenging.
Especially when those 2 players dont commit to proper puck management and proper defensive coverage. The grade A chances against they do give up are 10 bell chances and are usually rush chances.

If Connor and Leon can commit (full time) to playing a smarter defensive game (which includes more responsible puck management) then the rest of the team will follow their lead.
If that happens then this team is going to be very hard to beat as the average goaltending then becomes 'good enough' to win with.

All that being said the only thing I would suggest is that Skinner (obviously) needs to be better and the team does need to upgrade the defence (and possibly the bottom 6 functional grit) by trade deadline.
The current version of this team is very soft. Softest team in the NHL and I am not sure how well that is going to work in the grind that is the playoffs.

"The team wont win much of anything" as if the team isn't a few months removed from losing 2-1 in game 7 of the SCF where literally the only difference was our goalie gave up a bad goal and theirs didn't.

This isn't the decade of darkness. There's a certain portion of this fanbase that still thinks the team and McDavid and Draisaitl aren't committed to defense as if they are a rookie Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle out there. It's a clown take, completely unsupported by any logic or intelligence. It comes across either as trolling or as cognitive decline.

Rather than operating on a POV that’s 7+ years old, which is when the Oiloblogosphere invented advanced stats. Even the most savvy math people admit current metrics don’t tell the whole story, only tell the story the best way that math can today.

Like that thing that came out in preseason where the Oilers stats team are looking for context that may not appear in just the pure numbers.

And the outright refusal to come up with new metrics like sortie time, coverage metrics, defender effect on goals and saves, or info from that NHL goal simulation that can be mined and yet stick to shots (and shot derived metrics) like they’re Jesus is what frustrates me the most.

So yeah I love advanced stats, given we see advancement in the stats.

It doesn't take advanced stats to know the Oilers goaltending is brutal. Just watch any Oilers game, see the performance the other teams goalie gives them and see the performance our goalie gives us.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Dustin Schwartz has defenders here. And as long as he's here no upgrade is coming. So we're stuck with Skinner/Pickard unless one of them gets hurt.

I know of a chick who knows a guy who can make that happen.