Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Savoie Gets an Audition With the Trade Deadline Looming

[Ritchie Valens]

Yeah honestly if it’s money in/out the organization is going to look incredibly stupid.

If Kane comes back and we can’t use the LTIR, I’m going to be pretty disappointed with him. To be fair to the team, hes a bit of a wildcard. Not sure you can really make him do anything.

That said he no longer has a nmc like he did in the offseason. Bowman should be looking at everything at this point if hes not going to play along nicely.

Good luck to him.

I think it’s more of a league thing. There has been so much outcry about Vegas and Tampa exposing this loophole, the league is probably monitoring *LTIR cases closer.

*= By “LTIR cases”, I mean just Kane’s.

 

[CupofOil]

While it would certainly be very unfortunate if Kane cam back for a few games before the end of the year it is not really in the teams hands if Kane actually wants to come back. They can try to persuade him but ultimately he holds the cards on this one.

I'm sure that Stone, Kucherov, Eichel etc. all wanted to return early but the good managers have a sit down with the player and his reps and work it out.
It's GM malpractice if they don't absorb that LTIR into deadline cap space. They already screwed up by not accruing anymore (which I thought was the whole point of the Ceci trade, letting Broberg/Holloway go etc.) so this can't be a money in money out situation, it just can't.

 

[McDoused]

I don't get why no one else is talking about the coaching after two absolutely horrible performances? I'm not saying that we fire him, but he clearly needs to figure out how to get this team ready for games and know what his lineup looks like. He keep's shuffling guys around to the point where no one has chemistry.

Like we are heading into game 58 and Knoblauch is still trying to figure out his lines. It's no surprise that the Podkolzin-McDavid-Kapanen that was thrown together went -3 last game. Add in 2 powerplay goals against and an empty netter and that was the difference last game.

I honestly get the feeling like Knoblauch needs an all-star team for guys to look good this year. Everyone (besides Draisaitl) has seemed to regress this year.




Binners a winner...



(I dont think hes the answer)

 

[Canovin]

Oilers play like crap when there isn't enough tough guys in the lineup.

 

[Fourier]

I'm sure that Stone, Kucherov, Eichel etc. all wanted to return early but the good managers have a sit down with the player and his reps and work it out.
It's GM malpractice if they don't absorb that LTIR into deadline cap space. They already screwed up by not accruing anymore (which I thought was the whole point of the Ceci trade, letting Broberg/Holloway go etc.) so this can't be a money in money out situation, it just can't.

Honestly, I suspect that all three of those players would have been fully onside with the plan. But Kane seems to have possibly a different approach. He has been posting updates that at least suggest he is intending to be back. I have no doubt that management will try and make the point but if Kane really wants to come back there is next to nothing they can do other than trade him. The NHL has put teams on notice for LTIR abuse. I have no doubt that if there was any sense that the Oilers pushed Kane to stay out when his camp felt he was healthy that they would throw the book at the Oilers. My guess is the penalties would be severe since Bettman would like nothing more than to send a message without having to impact one of his chosen teams.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Oilers play like crap when there isn't enough tough guys in the lineup.

Agree, they need magic tough guys to scare teams.

 

[FlameChampion]

I don't get why no one else is talking about the coaching after two absolutely horrible performances? I'm not saying that we fire him, but he clearly needs to figure out how to get this team ready for games and know what his lineup looks like. He keep's shuffling guys around to the point where no one has chemistry.

Like we are heading into game 58 and Knoblauch is still trying to figure out his lines. It's no surprise that the Podkolzin-McDavid-Kapanen that was thrown together went -3 last game. Add in 2 powerplay goals against and an empty netter and that was the difference last game.

I honestly get the feeling like Knoblauch needs an all-star team for guys to look good this year. Everyone (besides Draisaitl) has seemed to regress this year.




Binners a winner...



(I dont think hes the answer)

Unfortunately I think I am just used to the lack of line chemistry thing.

The past few years, going into the playoffs I didn’t really know what the lines were. So it’s nothing new really.

I guess we typically don’t see the the lines blended to the same degree that we saw last night. I think that was Knoblauch being frustrated.

I do wonder if all the shifting of McDavid and Draisaitl to together and separate lines on a whim has just had a long term negative impact on the lines.

Feels like the entire roster just sits back and waits for McDavid and Draisaitl to do their thing.

We haven’t had a third line in forever. As much as people talk about McLeod, Foegele, Holloway etc these guys didn’t really produce on the third line either.

 

[CupofOil]

Honestly, I suspect that all three of those players would have been fully onside with the plan. But Kane seems to have possibly a different approach. He has been posting updates that at least suggest he is intending to be back. I have no doubt that management will try and make the point but if Kane really wants to come back there is next to nothing they can do other than trade him. The NHL has put teams on notice for LTIR abuse. I have no doubt that if there was any sense that the Oilers pushed Kane to stay out when his camp felt he was healthy that they would throw the book at the Oilers. My guess is the penalties would be severe since Bettman would like nothing more than to send a message without having to impact one of his chosen teams.

Even if it's a case of Kane pushing hard to come back and leaving management no choice, it's still negligence on their part that they didn't plan for that happening and had previously lost the ability to accrue previous cap space.
If I hear money in money out in a couple of weeks when they had several options to have clear cap space then somebody needs to get fired. That would be my mentality if I was Katz, inexcusable in a Cup or bust season. TBH though, I can't shake this feeling that the Oilers cup window closed last season with the last two years being their best opportunity. The team looks old and a bit worn down tbh

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

edit* I misread your post at first as saying I never mentioned Schwartz but now realize you meant McLennan and Edmonton’s own media. They value that press pass too much, they lose that, they’re out of a job.

Yeah, they can't criticize anyone in management. That's why I never buy anything they say. They'll find a convenient scapegoat...

Hyman hasnt done much this year. I dont know how much of its him and how much of its McDavid.

He obviously overachieved last year but he's too often Kassian-levels of effective when not with McDavid. I scoffed at people saying he should've been on Team Canada, but frankly he hasn't been that great this year.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Let's make some trades, change this team up.

First to ANA

TO ANA: Arvidsson, Stetcher, 2025 2nd & a 2027 4th

TO EDM: Trouba (50% retained) & Brett Leason

The team is bigger & tougher, Trouba is suspect, but at $4M on the cap playing as a 4/5 should work better.

TO BOS: Kapanen, Grubbe & 2026 3rd

TO EDM: Fredrick (50% retainted)

Just fits, adds toughness.

To NSH: Pickard and Paul Fisher

To EDM: Justus Annunen

Different goaltender, probably better.

To CAR: Stu Skinner, 2026 2nd and 2027 3rd

To EDM: Kochetkov and Ty Smith (minors)

Finally,

To BUF: Petrov and Joal Maatta

To EDM: Greenway (50% retained)

So now the team looks like

Fredrick - McDavid - Hyman
Skinner - Draisailt - Podkolzin
Greeway - Nuge - Brown
Leason - Henrique - Perry
Janmark, Savoie

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Trouba
Kulak - Emberson
Klingberg, Smith

Kochetkov
Annunen


This all started by the team firing Dustin Schwartz and hiring Kevin Woodley (and his whole goaltender thing) as his replacement.

Scoring might still be tough, but they'll be meaner I assume.

 

[bucks_oil]

Honestly, I suspect that all three of those players would have been fully onside with the plan. But Kane seems to have possibly a different approach. He has been posting updates that at least suggest he is intending to be back. I have no doubt that management will try and make the point but if Kane really wants to come back there is next to nothing they can do other than trade him. The NHL has put teams on notice for LTIR abuse. I have no doubt that if there was any sense that the Oilers pushed Kane to stay out when his camp felt he was healthy that they would throw the book at the Oilers. My guess is the penalties would be severe since Bettman would like nothing more than to send a message without having to impact one of his chosen teams.

I'm not overly concerned.

Kane's knee surgery had a 6+ week recovery.... they haven't said what it was, but the recovery time rules out any catastrophic injuries (ACL, MCL, etc)... which implies it was a maintenance surgery (like cartilage).

Which implies there was no real reason for them to wait until near the end of his groin/hernia/hip flexor recovery timeline.

Which implies he was on board with extending his return timeline by scheduling the knee surgery in sequence.

His posts are likely window dressing to demonstrate he's doing all he can to be back.

 

[McDoused]

Let's make some trades, change this team up.

First to ANA

TO ANA: Arvidsson, Stetcher, 2025 2nd & a 2027 4th

TO EDM: Trouba (50% retained) & Brett Leason

The team is bigger & tougher, Trouba is suspect, but at $4M on the cap playing as a 4/5 should work better.

TO BOS: Kapanen, Grubbe & 2026 3rd

TO EDM: Fredrick (50% retainted)

Just fits, adds toughness.

To NSH: Pickard and Paul Fisher

To EDM: Justus Annunen

Different goaltender, probably better.

To CAR: Stu Skinner, 2026 2nd and 2027 3rd

To EDM: Kochetkov and Ty Smith (minors)

Finally,

To BUF: Petrov and Joal Maatta

To EDM: Greenway (50% retained)

So now the team looks like

Fredrick - McDavid - Hyman
Skinner - Draisailt - Podkolzin
Greeway - Nuge - Brown
Leason - Henrique - Perry
Janmark, Savoie

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Trouba
Kulak - Emberson
Klingberg, Smith

Kochetkov
Annunen


This all started by the team firing Dustin Schwartz and hiring Kevin Woodley (and his whole goaltender thing) as his replacement.

Scoring might still be tough, but they'll be meaner I assume.

I can't see Carolina trading Kochetkov to the Oilers.

Trouba-Nurse would be a trainwreck.

I like adding Frederic but he's not a 1st line player.

Greenway is a solid 3rd line winger add.

 

[Soundwave]

There are fundamental big issues with the core components of the team even looking at the big picture

1.) We don't have a starting goalie and two back ups. Both are sub .900 this year and neither can use the "Jay Woodcroft's system!" excuse as Knob/Coffey's system has been here all year long. You shouldn't have shit numbers behind a good defensive system. In Skinner's case his numbers have been cratering and falling for two years now. This experiment that somehow we could eek out some random 3rd round pick as our starter because he happened to be cheap and from Edmonton because the hockey gods "owed" us for Campbell is not working, stop pretending it is. Skinner is going to get murdered in a playoff round if he has to face a MacKinnon or Eichel tier player, he is not up for that challenge.


2.) We are still missing two top 6 forwards even after spending a boat load of money. And even more than that RNH is often useless at 5 on 5, Hyman is reverting back to his norm but both of these guys are aging on top of that. Kane is likely toast. You can't just pencil in Savoie as a top 6 lock, he hasn't proven that yet. We are going to be in trouble for forwards potentially not just this year but in the next 1-2-3 years, where are the top 6 forwards coming from to fill out the roster here?

3.) We still are likely one D short of a proper top 4 alignment. This is probably not as big of a need but still a concern. Klingberg is more likely a fit at the no.5/6 D spot, not as a top 4. Kulak can be moved up to the top 4, that's probably our best bet but even then you're running two left shots on your second pairing then and two right shots on your bottom pair.


1 and 2 are big concerns. If you're blowing assets now on more bottom 6 forwards it's idiotic. You need to spend assets you have on structural issues 1 and 2 listed above otherwise you are in big trouble short term and long term.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I can't see Carolina trading Kochetkov to the Oilers.

Trouba-Nurse would be a trainwreck.

I like adding Frederic but he's not a 1st line player.

Greenway is a solid 3rd line winger add.

Well he's not really starting there, Stu has more of history in the league, plus they're getting a shorter contract and assets.

Fredrick isn't but we aren't looking at top line players, we're adding toughness writ large, so guys have to play in places.

I disagree on Nurse and Trouba, I think they would have their issues, but Nurse is playing very good hockey and the overall toughness of the pair would be effective, plus Trouba is a good skater and I think Coffey could help him.

 

[North]

Rishaug also thought we would regret trading Barrie in the Ekholm deal. I like Rishaug but he still comes across as arrogant and needs to realize that fans are entitled to their opinions. I dont think he even realizes how much he does it.

How dare you? Don’t you know he’s in the trenches???

 

[North]

Well he's not really starting there, Stu has more of history in the league, plus they're getting a shorter contract and assets.

Fredrick isn't but we aren't looking at top line players, we're adding toughness writ large, so guys have to play in places.

I disagree on Nurse and Trouba, I think they would have their issues, but Nurse is playing very good hockey and the overall toughness of the pair would be effective, plus Trouba is a good skater and I think Coffey could help him.

Trouble is terrible.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Trouble is terrible.

I mean he was in NYR because he was playing over 22+ mins a night as a top-2 defenseman at $8M on the cap. At $4M on the cap playing 18-20, I suspect he could be effective, plus he's mean and physical.

This team with the worst goalie in the history of the league went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup final with Cody Ceci as a regular who might be the worst regular defenseman in the league.

 

[Mikey71]

Trouble is terrible.

If auto correct changed your reply, then it is absolutely genius. I mean, even autocorrect knows how to more accurately label Trouba. How can an auto correct program know how to better label a player than some actual fans. lol

 

[Soundwave]

I mean he was in NYR because he was playing over 22+ mins a night as a top-2 defenseman at $8M on the cap. At $4M on the cap playing 18-20, I suspect he could be effective, plus he's mean and physical.

This team with the worst goalie in the history of the league went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup final with Cody Ceci as a regular who might be the worst regular defenseman in the league.

Is he even willing to come to Edmonton? Wasn't there some big bruhaha about his family staying out East, I don't know if them having to go through customs every time they want to fly in to Canada would make that situation any better.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Is he even willing to come to Edmonton? Wasn't there some big bruhaha about his family staying out East, I don't know if them having to go through customs every time they want to fly in to Canada would make that situation any better.

There was, now he's in Anaheim just sort of playing out the stretch, he only had 1 year left after this and could be moved at the draft anyway. So I suspect getting to play for at least a playoff team would be a hell of alot more fun than just losing in Anahiem.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect it would be possible.

Like he plays with Edmonton however long their season lasts, they you flip in to NJ retaining 50% for an asset at the draft, everyone wins.

 

[Kepler 186f]

Oilers play like crap when there isn't enough tough guys in the lineup.

What tough guys?

Nurse, then sort of Perry and Podkolzin.

Who else?

 

[Soundwave]

There was, now he's in Anaheim just sort of playing out the stretch, he only had 1 year left after this and could be moved at the draft anyway. So I suspect getting to play for at least a playoff team would be a hell of alot more fun than just losing in Anahiem.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect it would be possible.

Like he plays with Edmonton however long their season lasts, they you flip in to NJ retaining 50% for an asset at the draft, everyone wins.

I think it ultimately makes more sense to target Gibson + Dumoulin from Anaheim.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I'm sure that Stone, Kucherov, Eichel etc. all wanted to return early but the good managers have a sit down with the player and his reps and work it out.
It's GM malpractice if they don't absorb that LTIR into deadline cap space. They already screwed up by not accruing anymore (which I thought was the whole point of the Ceci trade, letting Broberg/Holloway go etc.) so this can't be a money in money out situation, it just can't.

Our current deadline space is 5163894.
Kanes contract is 512500. So we have gained like nothing.
We gained nothing because we signed Klingberg who took everything we had.
It’s money out/money in and we have no movable cap.
We can move Henrique and Arvidsson which is in “bad taste” and that’s it. Skinner won’t move.

 

[North]

I mean he was in NYR because he was playing over 22+ mins a night as a top-2 defenseman at $8M on the cap. At $4M on the cap playing 18-20, I suspect he could be effective, plus he's mean and physical.

This team with the worst goalie in the history of the league went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup final with Cody Ceci as a regular who might be the worst regular defenseman in the league.

He was awful with the Rangers. That’s why they wanted him gone.

Jimmi sometimes I can’t with you.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He was awful with the Rangers. That’s why they wanted him gone.

Jimmi sometimes I can’t with you.

Totally, and that success as lead the Rangers to greatness? Maybe what the think on the matter is utter nonsense? Maybe there's more of a player there, despite his flaws. Also, the team is buttery and soft, Trouba is not.