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Hollywood55
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If you're bored Messier did an interview with spittin' chicklets. His portion is about an hour and half but it's a good interview.
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If Klef was playing in this zone system, with this team, he would have great stats, because he could play simple hockey. No matter the team or system, nurse is going to nurse.
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Probably limited his comments because he took a ton of hate on IG and other social media.
Did all of you forget that Nurse played on that exact same team?
Klefbom's final three seasons as an Oiler he was -40 and was our #3 5v5 d-man in TOI/game. Over that same span Darnell Nurse was +8 and was our #1 5v5 d-man in TOI/game. Nurse had better GF/60 and GA/60 numbers and he dominated Klefbom in 5v5 offensive production. Both overall and per/60 (since for some reason people always like to point out that Klefbom was hurt all the time as if that made him more valuable rather than less valube).
It's literally not even close. Y'all are letting Nurse's recent shitty playoffs cloud the fact that he was a better d-man than Klefbom for basically all of their respective time here outside of his first couple of seasons when he was 20/21 years old.
The Klefbom-Larsson pairing was a bad top pair in this league. It's incredible how much Oiler fans overrate both of these two players. The one year the team was actually good with those two here it was Sekera-Russell that was the teams best pairing.
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Ekholm and Hyman were amazing adds. Such classy guys. Teams win with character like this.
I still remember reading a post on the Preds forum the day he was traded away how he was going to make Bouchard into a great d-man. Not only a great player, but a great mentor and a great example on how to act on and off the ice, both in the dressing room but also publicly.
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Absolutely, I don’t care for his contract but he’s a f*** of a lot better than Oscar Klefbom.
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That’s great people agree with you, but it does t align with the facts. Why hasn’t he done it all these years? Is it something he is just going to pick up as he nears 30? Here’s an interesting fact- you know who the worst on our team (defence) is the worst at puck retrievals? Nurse. You know who is the worst in controlled exits once puck is retrieved- Nurse. Final metric- you know who leads the team in uncontrolled exits (throwing the puck out to no one) Nurse. So, Nurse can’t get the puck to skate it out. When he does he usually ices it. When he doesn’t ice it- he can’t exit controlled. A stay at home d man isn’t going to fix that.
Exactly as I said. Nurse needs to play with someone who can retrieve the puck and move it out. That article said the same thing.
AddyTheWrath
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Same here! Thank you for the suggestions, brave posters of HF!
McDNicks17
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"Nurse has never been able to move the puck in his life time"
*reads article that shows he had elite puck-moving numbers a few years ago*
"Exactly as I said"
Did you read the article and understand what it said? Did you understand what I said or did that go over your head too?"Nurse has never been able to move the puck in his life time"
*reads article that shows he had elite puck-moving numbers a few years ago*
"Exactly as I said"
A) I said Nurse needs a strong puck retriever and someone to outlet the puck. Article said the same
B) I said Nurse has never been able to move the puck his entire career. Article said the same thing. Bear was moving the puck.
C) Do you think that 1 year is who Nurse is or the other 10? lol.
You’re right. Nurse is Paul Coffey lite and all these years he has been fooling us. He’s going to get 80 points next year!!!
Now do the rest of his career- try not using someone else’s work.
McDNicks17
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You might want to read it again if that's what you got from it haha.Did you read the article and understand what it said? Did you understand what I said or did that go over your head too?
A) I said Nurse needs a strong puck retriever and someone to outlet the puck. Article said the same
B) I said Nurse has never been able to move the puck his entire career. Article said the same thing. Bear was moving the puck.
C) Do you think that 1 year is who Nurse is or the other 10? lol.
It doesn't say anywhere that he needed a puck retriever or someone to outlet the puck. It just showed that Bear had more passes in the zone while Nurse had vastly more carry outs and pass outs.
Ha got it- you have no idea how to get that data. See, the problem with Jason is he doesn’t look at the whole picture. You need to retrieve the puck to move it. Bear did both. Nurse was his out let. There are much better people to quote on analytics than Jason. What happened when Bear was no longer his partner?
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I think you missed the part where it says those outlet passes are only passes up ice and don't include passes to their D partner or passes off the boards behind the net.
Just to have something to talk about. How many goals do the Oilers score next year with the new additions?
Last year we finished 4th in league scoring with 292 goals. This year I think we absolutely blow past 300.
In my opinion here are some pretty realistic predictions for next year:
Draisaitl - 50 (41 last year / +9)
McDavid - 40 (32 last year / +8)
Hyman - 40 (54 last year / -14)
Skinner - 30 (24 last year / +6)
Nuge - 25 (18 last year / +7)
Arvidsson - 25 (6 last year / +19)
Kane - 25 (24 last year / +1)
Henrique - 15 (24 last year / -9)
Bouchard - 15 (18 last year / -3)
Brown - 12 (4 last year / +8)
Holloway - 10 (6 last year / +4)
Ekholm - 10 (11 last year / -1)
Nurse- 10 (10 last year / 0)
Janmark - 8 (4 last year / +4)
Perry - 5 (12 last year / -7)
Broberg - 5 (0 last year / +5)
Kulak - 3 (3 last year / 0)
(+5 depth guys for 8 more goals)
= 336 goals
Obviously some injuries are going to happen but if healthy we have to have the best offense in the league.
1. Connor Brown in his career has averages 15 goals over a full season (94 goals in 519 games).
2. Viktor Arvidsson averages 27 goals over a full season (179 goals in 546 games).
3. RNH averages 23 goals over a full season (251 goals in 881 games).
4. Jeff Skinner averages 29 goals over a full season (357 goals in 1006 games).
5. Evander Kane averages 29 goals over a full season (326 goals in 930 games).
6. McDavid averages 43 goals over a full season (335 goals in 645 games).
7. Draisaitl averages 40 goals over a full season (347 goals in 719 games)
I think the only real stretch I'm making her is Draisaitl getting 50 again. He's done it a few times and I think he gets back with better linemates.
Last year we finished 4th in league scoring with 292 goals. This year I think we absolutely blow past 300.
In my opinion here are some pretty realistic predictions for next year:
Draisaitl - 50 (41 last year / +9)
McDavid - 40 (32 last year / +8)
Hyman - 40 (54 last year / -14)
Skinner - 30 (24 last year / +6)
Nuge - 25 (18 last year / +7)
Arvidsson - 25 (6 last year / +19)
Kane - 25 (24 last year / +1)
Henrique - 15 (24 last year / -9)
Bouchard - 15 (18 last year / -3)
Brown - 12 (4 last year / +8)
Holloway - 10 (6 last year / +4)
Ekholm - 10 (11 last year / -1)
Nurse- 10 (10 last year / 0)
Janmark - 8 (4 last year / +4)
Perry - 5 (12 last year / -7)
Broberg - 5 (0 last year / +5)
Kulak - 3 (3 last year / 0)
(+5 depth guys for 8 more goals)
= 336 goals
Obviously some injuries are going to happen but if healthy we have to have the best offense in the league.
1. Connor Brown in his career has averages 15 goals over a full season (94 goals in 519 games).
2. Viktor Arvidsson averages 27 goals over a full season (179 goals in 546 games).
3. RNH averages 23 goals over a full season (251 goals in 881 games).
4. Jeff Skinner averages 29 goals over a full season (357 goals in 1006 games).
5. Evander Kane averages 29 goals over a full season (326 goals in 930 games).
6. McDavid averages 43 goals over a full season (335 goals in 645 games).
7. Draisaitl averages 40 goals over a full season (347 goals in 719 games)
I think the only real stretch I'm making her is Draisaitl getting 50 again. He's done it a few times and I think he gets back with better linemates.
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I want 487 but I don’t think either is feasible without some Canucks level PDO
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I say the team scores a minimum of 328 4 goals a game they scored 325 with a much weaker roster in 22-23 and would not be surprised if they score more than the 2021-22 Florida panthers who put up 340 the most since the early 90's
I mean realistically we saw Foegele (20 goals) and McLeod (12 goals) leave. They averaged about 12:30 even strength and played majority of the season.
By contrast Arvidsson and Skinner play about 13:30 (1 more minutes even strength) and could easily bring in 60 goals between the two. That right there is an extra 30ish goals in the lineup playing with Draisaitl.
Another upgrage is Henrique for the full year. I understand his role will be different here but he averages double (24 goals a season pro-rated). I put him around 15. Even if you replace Ryan with Henrique that's an extra 10 goals.
So thats 40 goals extra without adding in additional production from Evander Kane, Connor McDavid and Connor Brown should be healthier this year. They won't be taking icetime from anyone, rather they will be more effective with it.
You’re right. He’s a great mover of the puck. Has been his whole career. Will be next year too.
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