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[Drivesaitl]

The Oilers should trade Leon then if all it takes is a Dylan Strome to get two guys with a combined 50 career goals to each match Drai's goal scoring.

Hmm or maybe it's because they're all shooting 20%.

No, the Oilers should get Drai linemates that make some sense and fit into the style of play and that can have symbiotic benefit of such a good Center. Arvid shoots any puck from anywhere and is a random molecule out there. You don;'t even know where the guy will be. Pods just useless period. Pods is really just our 2025 version of Khaira and thats probably insulting Khaira. Its that ridiculous how little this org gives Drai.

 

[McDNicks17]

No, the Oilers should get Drai linemates that make some sense and fit into the style of play and that can have symbiotic benefit of such a good Center. Arvid shoots any puck from anywhere and is a random molecule out there. You don;'t even know where the guy will be. Pods just useless period. Pods is really just our 2025 version of Khaira and thats probably insulting Khaira. Its that ridiculous how little this org gives Drai.

If only he was as good as Dylan Strome then his linemates would double and triple their career goal numbers in a single season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think a lot of us are watching Washington, if only for the Ovechkin goal race. I know I am.

Have to agree that Chychrun using the eye test is a top D this year. I mean in contention for best in the league. You could see it in Ottawa. Fans never give enough credit to a change of scenery for these guys. Seems they fail to think of their own lives. If you've ever been down in the dumps, stalled out in your life -- moving to a new town or meeting a new group of people invigorates you. Changes who you are drastically.

It's clear not only Chychrun but also Dubois fit well in Washington and are both looking like legit world beater players. Probs to their organization and we should look to them to see what they're doing to find success despite having nobody at 70 points. Believe we discussed this quite a bit the other day, but yes..Chychrun in Edmonton is our #1 guy quite easily.

Bouchard has his moments but Chychrun is a steady force each shift. He isn't making the blunders Bouch is with regularity. Worth every penny of that 9.

I just love hockey and as a purist I love seeing hockey played the right way, and I love physically big clubs. Caps are my guilty pleasure now. Fun to watch. Probably favorite team outside the Oilers with what they've built.

Indeed kudos to the caps for the build. They still have multiple players from their cup, this should've been a hard rebuild but through great player selections and acquisitions they've turned it into a pretty textbook reload.

Similarly I love that our go to players are big and strong From Drai, to McD, Nurse, Viking etc. I love teams and core players that can play through checks.

I think the first player I loved was Frank Mahovlich. Don't have to go around players when you can through them. lol

I feel blessed that I've got to see tanks like Mess and Draisaitl here. Guys that can beat you anyway.

Conversely if I was in Vancouver I couldn't ever be a Nucks fan.

 

[9GWG9]

Bouchard and Dobson's agents today after seeing the Chychrun deal

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Just show them a few of his blueline gafs that led to odd man rushes and breakaways. He is not earning that fat contract with his play this year.

 

[oobga]

It's interesting comparing Chychrun's last 2 years.

HDCA/60 went from 11.68 top 11.63 (this is quite a bit worse than Bouch just to note)
xGF from 47.4% to 48.53%
Offensive zone starts 53.34% to 57.57%

This is almost exactly the same player, but one year he was -30 and the other +24.

What's the big dif? PDO from 0.969 to 1.036

Suddenly his forwards he's out with can score way more often and his goalies can make saves. His own sh% almost doubled as well. It's a miracle.

Nice timing for his contract year regardless. Happy for the guy.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Why whenever we need to extend a homegrown top 4 defender a team goes out and makes a Pejorative Slured decision and sets the market insanely high?

It’s happened twice now.

Too bad Chris Patrick didn’t step out of his house this morning and get hit by a bus.

 

[K1984]

Too wrong to even respond to.

Tell tale sign of someone who is wrong, but doesn't want to admit it.

Ovechkin - 40 goals, 30 goals, then suddenly scores at a 56 goal pace

Protas - shouldn't even have to explain this one, never been in the same stratosphere as this year

Strome - 65 points through 82 like clockwork, then all of a sudden is a PPG

Dubois - already met previous career highs through 70 games

Chychrun - actually playing 82 games or close to it for the first time ever

I'm sorry the facts don't align with fantasy here.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Tell tale sign of someone who is wrong, but doesn't want to admit it.

Ovechkin - 40 goals, 30 goals, then suddenly scores at a 56 goal pace

Protas - shouldn't even have to explain this one, never been in the same stratosphere as this year

Strome - 65 points through 82 like clockwork, then all of a sudden is a PPG

Dubois - already met previous career highs through 70 games

Chychrun - actually playing 82 games or close to it for the first time ever

I'm sorry the facts don't align with fantasy here.

Protas is outlier. The only one, and I said that. The others aren't. They are in range of what they could reasonably be expected to produce. Save your drivel. You don't even comprehend what production range is in relation to playing alongside good players. Of course STrome putting up 65pts with iffy linemates in the past means he can do better with better linemates. Of course it also means that in prime years production can increase, and can be expected. That you actually think the Strome results are outlier is on you.

Caps got players like Strome, Dubois, Chychrun because they knew exactly what they could do. Then big minds like you braying its all luck and outlier.

lol at somebody being so thick they call OV goalscoring Outlier. Try having a clue. A lot of OV goals this season empty netters as well as his game being awakened playing on an again strong team.

But as per usual in your posting you self define your own facts and reality including OV scoring goals being somehow outlier. Stupidest thing I've heard stated online. . lol

 

[K1984]

Protas is outlier. The only one, and I said that. The others aren't. They are in range of what they could reasonably be expected to produce. Save your drivel. You don't even comprehend what production range is in relation to playing alongside good players. Of course STrome putting up 65pts with iffy linemates in the past means he can do better with better linemates. Of course it also means that in prime years production can increase, and can be expected. That you actually think the Strome results are outlier is on you.

Caps got players like Strome, Dubois, Chychrun because they knew exactly what they could do. Then big minds like you braying its all luck and outlier.

lol at somebody being so thick they call OV goalscoring Outlier. Try having a clue. A lot of OV goals this season empty netters as well as his game being awakened playing on an again strong team.

But as per usual in your posting you self define your own facts and reality including OV scoring goals being somehow outlier. Stupidest thing I've heard stated online. . lol

Are those players having career years? Is Ovechkin scoring at a much higher pace than he has over the past several? These are yes or no questions. The dumbest thing I've read on this board is that a 56 goal pace isn't far in excess of what he produced over the last two, but you might not be good at math.

The only drivel here is coming from you. As usual you decided that something is fact, made incorrect claims to justify it, then moved the goal posts when called on it.

"QUESTIONING OVECHKIN AS A GOAL SCORER!? LOL DUMB!!!" is exactly what I mean. Never said that, just that he's scoring well in excess of multiple recent season results. That pure fact is counter to your fixation on pumping up the Caps, so the goal posts have to get dragged and words have to get stuffed in other people's mouths.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

I just love hockey and as a purist I love seeing hockey played the right way, and I love physically big clubs. Caps are my guilty pleasure now. Fun to watch. Probably favorite team outside the Oilers with what they've built.

Indeed kudos to the caps for the build. They still have multiple players from their cup, this should've been a hard rebuild but through great player selections and acquisitions they've turned it into a pretty textbook reload.

Similarly I love that our go to players are big and strong From Drai, to McD, Nurse, Viking etc. I love teams and core players that can play through checks.

I think the first player I loved was Frank Mahovlich. Don't have to go around players when you can through them. lol

I feel blessed that I've got to see tanks like Mess and Draisaitl here. Guys that can beat you anyway.

Conversely if I was in Vancouver I couldn't ever be a Nucks fan.

Whenever I see Garland play I think he looks like a little kid with a beard.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Are those players having career years? Is Ovechkin scoring at a much higher pace than he has over the past several? These are yes or no questions. The dumbest thing I've read on this board is that a 56 goal pace isn't far in excess of what he produced over the last two, but you might not be good at math.

The only drivel here is coming from you. As usual you decided that something is fact, made incorrect claims to justify it, then moved the goal posts when called on it.

"QUESTIONING OVECHKIN AS A GOAL SCORER!? LOL DUMB!!!" is exactly what I mean. Never said that, just that he's scoring well in excess of multiple recent season results. That pure fact is counter to your fixation on pumping up the Caps, so the goal posts have to get dragged and words have to get stuffed in other people's mouths.

Knock yourself out. . you lol self note such things as reality and fact without knowing what they, or substantiation is.

OV is pretty much exactly in range of normal scoring this season without the empty net goals. Those goals occurring in games the Caps are already leading, and likely winning. Remove the empty net goals, which i stated and theres nothing really outlier in it. The only factor is empty net goals. You think its PDO. WRONG!

This is yet another example of you not evening the slightest recognition of what facts are. I've told you the determinants, and if you even bothered to check you'd know you were off on the OV goal scoring explanation. The OV increase in goals this season is due to empty nets, due to superior team and linemates, and OV being excited again and involved chasing the goal scoring alltime title. Those are the reasons, lol, not PDO.

Dubois and Strome are right in range of what they could get playing on strong teams with good linemates. Both were putting up .750 ppg seasons even as YOUNG players. That you don't even have an elemental understanding of how production totals are known to improve with age and improved linemates makes discussion of this with you a complete waste in time.

Anyway I won't respond to your further nonsense on this.

 

[K1984]

Knock yourself out. . you lol self note such things as reality and fact without knowing what they, or substantiation is.

OV is pretty much exactly in range of normal scoring this season without the empty net goals. Those goals occurring in games the Caps are already leading, and likely winning. Remove the empty net goals, which i stated and theres nothing really outlier in it. The only factor is empty net goals. You think its PDO. WRONG!

Dubois and Strome are right in range of what they could get playing on strong teams with good linemates. Both were putting up .750 ppg seasons even as YOUNG players. That you don't even have an elemental understanding of how production totals are known to improve with age and improved linemates makes discussion of this with you a complete waste in time.

It is PDO, because if everyone wasn't shooting the lights out the Capitals wouldn't be winning as many games, and Ovechkin wouldn't be getting freebies.

Are Stome and Dubois having career years by a decent margin or not? Don't need the mental math, it's a pretty simple question.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It is PDO, because if everyone wasn't shooting the lights out the Capitals wouldn't be winning as many games, and Ovechkin wouldn't be getting freebies.

Are Stome and Dubois having career years by a decent margin or not? Don't need the mental math, it's a pretty simple question.

lol

 

[K1984]

lol

The sign of someone without a pot to piss in.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The sign of someone without a pot to piss in.

Its only recognition that the discussion goes nowhere. Once you've established self fact, and lol you even state that in your posts then it logically follows you won't change your mind if presented with any information and you never do.

 

[K1984]

Its only recognition that the discussion goes nowhere. Once you've established self fact, and lol you even state that in your posts then it logically follows you won't change your mind if presented with any information and you never do.

Objective facts. You're projecting your own logical failure.

 

[Mr Positive]

With Chychrun getting 9aav x 8 years I'd imagine Bouchard's price just went up

 

[Fourier]

Knock yourself out. . you lol self note such things as reality and fact without knowing what they, or substantiation is.

OV is pretty much exactly in range of normal scoring this season without the empty net goals. Those goals occurring in games the Caps are already leading, and likely winning. Remove the empty net goals, which i stated and theres nothing really outlier in it. The only factor is empty net goals. You think its PDO. WRONG!

This is yet another example of you not evening the slightest recognition of what facts are. I've told you the determinants, and if you even bothered to check you'd know you were off on the OV goal scoring explanation. The OV increase in goals this season is due to empty nets, due to superior team and linemates, and OV being excited again and involved chasing the goal scoring alltime title. Those are the reasons, lol, not PDO.

Dubois and Strome are right in range of what they could get playing on strong teams with good linemates. Both were putting up .750 ppg seasons even as YOUNG players. That you don't even have an elemental understanding of how production totals are known to improve with age and improved linemates makes discussion of this with you a complete waste in time.

Anyway I won't respond to your further nonsense on this.

OV's per minute ES GF rate is the highest of his career. He has scored 2,14 GF/60 ES this year. Last year it was .93 GF/60 and the year before it was 1,49. His ES S% is also the highest of his career and is up about 5% above his career average.

 

[K1984]

OV's per minute ES GF rate is the highest of his career. He has scored 2,14 GF/60 ES this year. Last year it was .93 GF/60 and the year before it was 1,49. His ES S% is also the highest of his career and is up about 5% above his career average.

@Drivesaitl is this a "self fact" as well?

 

[Drivesaitl]

Objective facts. You're projecting your own logical failure.

You don't know what facts are. You disguise opinions, perceptions, as facts, as if they are.

 

[Drivesaitl]

OV's per minute ES GF rate is the highest of his career. He has scored 2,14 GF/60 ES this year. Last year it was .93 GF/60 and the year before it was 1,49. His ES S% is also the highest of his career and is up about 5% above his career average.

I'd want proof that the data source you are using is separating out empty net goals and NOT including them. Some of the sources you've used in the past have not separated out.

In any case I've mentioned other factors. For instance playing with stronger team and linemates and having some elite production D setting up, and OV on the Gretz chase are all factors related. Watching OV this season he looks like a kid in a candy shop having the most fun he's had in the game in years. Many things go on in team sports, in hockey, that are harder to quantify.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

With Chychrun getting 9aav x 8 years I'd imagine Bouchard's price just went up

I think it was always going to be 10/11 million honestly.

Bouchard's been near the top in points for dman for consecutive years and he just broke an all time playoff scoring record.

 

[K1984]

I'd want proof that the data source you are using is separating out empty net goals and NOT including them. Some of the sources you've used in the past have not separated out.

In any case I've mentioned other factors. For instance playing with stronger team and linemates and having some elite production D setting up, and OV on the Gretz chase are all factors related. Watching OV this season he looks like a kid in a candy shop having the most fun he's had in the game in years. Many things go on in team sports, in hockey, that are harder to quantify.

Lol

Identical to what you accused me of in your prior post.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lol

Identical to what you accused me of in your prior post.

Try to keep up. NHL stats erroneously include ENG in several metrics including shooting %. Thus clarifying the stat used is completely reasonable.

In anycase OV has 8 ENG this season. Inordinate amount, and without that he has a more normative looking 27G on the season. The whole Caps team have been trying to feed him empty net goals.

Exactly what is outlier with OV. We're talking about the highest scorer in hockey that Scored over .5G/G in his career for fun. This years without the ENG thats exactly where he is.

So again what part is outlier?

 

[K1984]

Try to keep up. NHL stats erroneously include ENG in several metrics including shooting %. Thus clarifying the stat used is completely reasonable.

In anycase OV has 8 ENG this season. Inordinate amount, and without that he has a more normative looking 27G on the season. The whole Caps team have been trying to feed him empty net goals.

Exactly what is outlier with OV. We're talking about the highest scorer in hockey that Scored over .5G/G in his career for fun. This years without the ENG thats exactly where he is.

Keep marching those goal posts.

Sorry statistics have dunked on your “Capitals aren’t good because of PDO” obsession.