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lawrence said:
we need to try to tank for Gavin Mckenna in 2026. Boston, Philly already making plans for tank years. We need to tank for him.
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Penguins are going to draft #1 overall with the Rangers’ pick, Crosby passes the torch, years later Ron Francis takes over and wins a Cup in Pittsburgh.
 
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Penguins are going to draft #1 overall with the Rangers’ pick, Crosby passes the torch, years later Ron Francis takes over and wins a Cup in Pittsburgh.
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thats impossible with Crosby still playing next year, unless your implying they will rig it that they win the lottery.
 
lawrence said:
thats impossible with Crosby still playing next year, unless your implying they will rig it that they win the lottery.
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I said with the Rangers pick but I won't say it's impossible for the Penguins to win the lottery next season even with Crosby. They are currently the 7th worst team right now and their D might be worst than what they had to start the year (they lost M-Petey and Letang and Karlsson are another year older). Their top 4 forwards in scoring right now will be 32 to 39 years old next season. Their top two Dmen will be 35 and 37.
 
i always support the tank but at this point its too late, with a win tonight we are only one point behind st louis again. the tank should have done at the beginning of the season.
 
To everything, tank, tank, tank
There is a season, tank, tank, tank
And a time to every purpose, under heaven

A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together

To everything, tank, tank, tank
There is a season, tank, tank, tank
And a time to every purpose, under heaven

A time of love, a time of hate
A time of war, a time of peace
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing

To everything, tank, tank, tank
There is a season, tank, tank, tank
And a time to every purpose, under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time for love, a time for hate
A time for peace, I swear it's not too late
 
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Wild and Blues with massive wins.

CBJ need to show the Gaudreau family some respect tomorrow and get into the playoff spot with MTL losing today.

Hopefully CGY with some more comeback magic.
 
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I just know it’s going to happen
 
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Odds

If They
Beat Jackets
in Regulation
27% (7.8%)
If They Lose
To Jackets
in Regulation
10.7% (8.6%)
If They Beat
Jackets
in OT
25.2% (6%)
If They Lose to
Jackets in OT
17% (2.2%)



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They don't need to tank, but getting a little lower in the standings this year would not hurt.

IMO there are two draftable players they might be able to get BUT they will cost.

Keeping Hughes would be great BUT does he want to even be here, how badly does he want to play with his brothers, how many cups does he want to play for, does he like facing the media in Vancouver over and over again, why doesn't he own a home in Vancouver, many questions that the only answer from the Canucks might be we will give you 21 million a season to stay, but then there are real contenders that will offer that too, so no big advantage. Even the 8th year isn't incentive enough, all he has to do is sign with any team for 2 years and then the 8 if he wants.

How much would be the return for Connor McDavid in a trade? McKinnon?, Draistl?, Crosby in his prime or Ovy? If Quinn isn't there to compare then it is because of the position he plays, so maybe even more.

What if the return was a bushel basket of young star players? Two star centers and two star wingers with a few more defence men? What if the team then had 35 million to spend in FA?

IMO this roster is almost perfect for two or three rookie stars to step right in, the bottom 6 or 7 forwards are pretty decent and the defence has quite a bit of depth. Goaltending might be shaky soon but solid right now.

If trading for a star draft pick don't dip the toe in the water, jump in. Take chance, roll the dice, make an offer they can't refuse for this year's top pick, Misa. It will be years before they would know if he a flop but if was the real deal they will know in a few months. Not Hughes yet, next draft.

And no tank needed but a sacrifice for TEAM success. If watching a player dance around the ice is desirable then there are still ice shows.

I have no doubt if Hughes is traded he will be playing for a cup as soon as 18 months and the return will not been seen here for the same 18 months but will last for 8+ years of being a contender and not a pretender. Right now that is what they are, pretenders
 
arttk said:
that's how you lose Quinn Hughes. You could draft 1OA for the next like 5 drafts and the odds of you getting a generational guy like Quinn is super low
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They have no choice but to try and compete until Hughes makes his decision. If he stays, they could potentially come back strong in an few years with the young guns coming up and a couple savvy trades. If he goes, it's an instant rebuild no matter what they do. He is that important to this team. Should be the Hart winner.
 
BenningHurtsMySoul said:
It's too late for a tank. Either playoffs or a mid teens pick. Just have to hope they make the right choice with the pick they have, or someone sneaks through that isn't a sea of red flags.
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OHL playoffs started last night. I'm a mid round pick fan of Brady Martin. After watching the highlights of last nights first game. I still think he's a mid round pick but I had him somewhere between Scott Laughton and Vincent Trochek. I was hoping he would get closer to Trochek but I think he's going to be closer to Laughton and if that's a mid round pick.

I'll finish my thought off later. I have just been told I need to go spend another couple hundred dollars at the store.
 
ManVanFan said:
OHL playoffs started last night. I'm a mid round pick fan of Brady Martin. After watching the highlights of last nights first game. I still think he's a mid round pick but I had him somewhere between Scott Laughton and Vincent Trochek. I was hoping he would get closer to Trochek but I think he's going to be closer to Laughton and if that's a mid round pick.

I'll finish my thought off later. I have just been told I need to go spend another couple hundred dollars at the store.
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If Laughton is his upside, we would be much better off picking one of the WHL centres (Kindel, Reschny, Cootes).
 
arttk said:
that's how you lose Quinn Hughes. You could draft 1OA for the next like 5 drafts and the odds of you getting a generational guy like Quinn is super low
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What is the claim to fame if he stays and the team can't fill out the roster with top stars to help him? Do you thing that getting older make players faster and better? Old does make veteran star players wiser and more grounded, that is why so many are picked up as support players.

Rick Nash was a great player, how many cups did the Bluejackets win? How many playoffs? About the same as Hughes.

What is a TEAM? There is no "I" in TEAM. They are not the "Vancouver Hughes"

The team had Bure, Gretzky described him as THE most dynamic player in the league and he was traded and later the team won two back to back President trophies under Gillis, a feat only accomplished three times this century. That was with three drafted star players.

As you point out they could draft 10 1rst and not get another like Quinn but you might get two, three or more like JTMiller, Marner, Tkachuks, many others. Only a very few like Crosby, Ovy, Malkin, Mcd or McK.
You might be able to add Bedard, JHughes, Celebrini, ....
How many first overalls or even top three have been flops?
 
clay said:
If Laughton is his upside, we would be much better off picking one of the WHL centres (Kindel, Reschny, Cootes).
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I spoke the other day about how there are 3 good regular NHL centers in the NHL right now that are below 5'11". Kindel and Reschny are most likely middle 6 scoring wingers in the NHL. Cootes I also like as a mid round pick. Similar size to Martin but much less physical. I'd give the edge in speed to Cootes. Martin has a better shot.

Boom or bust is much higher for Cootes. Martin I'd say has a few more attributes that would allow him to stay in the league even if he doesn't hit his ceiling.
 
ManVanFan said:
I spoke the other day about how there are 3 good regular NHL centers in the NHL right now that are below 5'11". Kindel and Reschny are most likely middle 6 scoring wingers in the NHL. Cootes I also like as a mid round pick. Similar size to Martin but much less physical. I'd give the edge in speed to Cootes. Martin has a better shot.

Boom or bust is much higher for Cootes. Martin I'd say has a few more attributes that would allow him to stay in the league even if he doesn't hit his ceiling.
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Both could end up being 5'11 when the combine rolls around as neither have turned 18 yet and measurements were likely taken from the beginning of the season. Brayden Point was listed at 5'9 in his draft year and is now 5'11. But my point is that if you don't think a guy has a good chance of being a core top 6 centre, don't draft him in the first round. If you think Martin can be that guy it's a different story.
 
clay said:
Both could end up being 5'11 when the combine rolls around as neither have turned 18 yet and measurements were likely taken from the beginning of the season. Brayden Point was listed at 5'9 in his draft year and is now 5'11. But my point is that if you don't think a guy has a good chance of being a core top 6 centre, don't draft him in the first round. If you think Martin can be that guy it's a different story.
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Getting 5 top 6 centers is about avg per draft. You think that only 5 out of 32 first rounders should be picked for centers? If you're picking 20th in any draft you are generally looking at a 3rd line player and praying that his breaks through his ceiling.
 
ManVanFan said:
Getting 5 top 6 centers is about avg per draft. You think that only 5 out of 32 first rounders should be picked for centers? If you're picking 20th in any draft you are generally looking at a 3rd line player and praying that his breaks through his ceiling.
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First round picks should be made based on upside IMO. A player needs to have the skill, creativity, and hockey sense to show there is a reasonable path to develop into a top six forward/top 4 d-man. Anything less isn't difficult to find in free agency (Suter, Sherwood, Blueger, Joshua, etc)
 
clay said:
First round picks should be made based on upside IMO. A player needs to have the skill, creativity, and hockey sense to show there is a reasonable path to develop into a top six forward/top 4 d-man. Anything less isn't difficult to find in free agency (Suter, Sherwood, Blueger, Joshua, etc)
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There is but I just don't think there is that much upside in any 1st round ever. You know what I mean?
 
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