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[frag2]

I like Bouchard better than most...but this could be a very good scenario for the team. Marner for "free" and getting to re-tool with Bouchard's rights would be great. Will definitely need to find another top pairing RD though, then,

Which is almost next to impossible without drafting one yourself.

If Oilers were indeed looking at another heavy impact FWD contract, I'd bet anyone not named McDavid and Draisaitl would be on the table including Nuge and lesser extent, Hyman

 

[Oilhawks]

Which is almost next to impossible without drafting one yourself.

If Oilers were indeed looking at another heavy impact FWD contract, I'd bet anyone not named McDavid and Draisaitl would be on the table including Nuge and lesser extent, Hyman

Yup, that's why I think it would be impossible to do.

They'll have to open cap up elsewhere. Both Nuge & Hyman have NMCs so will depend on them

 

[unicornBLOOD]

Why would that be? Most players haven't had the Oilers on their list for a few years now. You get the odd american who doesn't want to leave Trump-land, but that certainly isn't the case usually for Scandinavian players.

I bet we'd be surprised how many players who have no trade lists with ALL the Canadian teams on them. It's a combination of things...
-having to cross the border way more often than American teams do, dealing with customs, and way more travel, especially for the 4 west Canadian teams.
-for the most part, the worst weather, compared to the American teams.
-more media, more attention, more criticism, more crazy fans.
-even things as small, but kind of annoying having to have 2 types of currency with you, more often than American teams.


that being said, there are plenty of reasons to want to play in Canada, the fans, the love of the game, the passion, it's a beautiful country, less crime, less people, less traffic (other than Toronto for sure). I think there is a large group of guys that just think it would be a bit more of hassle to play in Canada.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

I thought we couldn't trade Holloway if we signed his offer sheet?

not for one year.

 

[foshizzle]

They should re-call Savoie and play him in the top-6, or at least the top-9, bump Nuge down to 3C and try to play games without Janmark in the line up.

I would go

Savoie - McDavid - Hyman
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Skinner - Nuge - Brown
Jones - Henrique - Perry
Janmark, Kapanen

See what this group can do before Frederick comes back. Savoie can play on the PK.

This looks much better. If not Savoie- swap Nuge and Skinner

 

[LTIR]

Not really, they would figure that out, there are other moves to make.

If they were considering moving Bouchard, I suspect Rantanen and Burns would be Oilers right now

Other move would be shipping out Ekholm or trading McDavid in the offseason.
Only true way to fit in Rantanen long term.
We can't even extend Frederic if Bouchard gets his 10M.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Other move would be shipping out Ekholm or trading McDavid in the offseason.
Only true way to fit in Rantanen long term.
We can't even extend Frederic if Bouchard gets his 10M.

of course that is. Sure I guess, they can't, the team is over and dead.

You're pretty narrow sighted and dramatic.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Other move would be shipping out Ekholm or trading McDavid in the offseason.
Only true way to fit in Rantanen long term.
We can't even extend Frederic if Bouchard gets his 10M.

There were a handful of steps that we could have taken in my post from last night. It would have been super complex but it was possible.

 

[belair]

Agree on Marner for certain. Their pursuit of Rantanen shows that this is a team-model they are very comfortable with. I just don't see him leaving Toronto. Like, why would he? Toronto is just as much of a stanley cup threat that the Oilers are, and he has played his entire career there. He is also from southern Ontario as well, so would have family etc in the area. I'd be very surprised to see him leave TO.

I think there's a decent chance that they may have hurt the relationship by suggesting they'd prefer Rantanen.

If the two sides were so enamored with one another, you'd think that the deal would be signed. I just think that Matthews' number at $13.25m sets the bar of where the top is in Toronto. And if they don't see him as a similar player, there's a good chance they don't get to a number where they can repair it.

I also think there are only so many Stanley Cup contenders. And even fewer contenders with the cap flexibility to compete for his services. McDavid in his ear might have him hearing Bowman out.

 

[McJadeddog]

I think there's a decent chance that they may have hurt the relationship by suggesting they'd prefer Rantanen.

If the two sides were so enamored with one another, you'd think that the deal would be signed. I just think that Matthews' number at $13.25m sets the bar of where the top is in Toronto. And if they don't see him as a similar player, there's a good chance they don't get to a number where they can repair it.

I also think there are only so many Stanley Cup contenders. And there even fewer contenders with the ability to compete for his services. McDavid in his ear might have him hearing Bowman out.

You could be right, I have no inside information obviously, lol. I guess we'll see in a few months.

 

[belair]

Bowman talked about the Rantanen trade. He didn't say it by name but it was obvious.

He said there was a trade that didn't get done because the other team wanted more than just futures. So in other words we didn't have a Stankhoven to give. We were never going to offer Bouchard.

Just logically, isn't it madness for a forward-heavy team to trade to top pairing D for yet another high AAV forward?

Yeah, I'm not 100% certain that Bouchard would've been part of that immediate Rantanen return. Carolina seems like they were dead set on adding futures. But looking forward into next season's cap picture, something would've had to give.

I just don't see the successful way of paring down an aging roster if you're having to pay to get and then pay to get rid of unwanted salary. There's only so much trade capital you get and we're already out our 1st two seasons ahead.

 

[Arpeggio]

Yeah, I'm not 100% certain that Bouchard would've been part of that immediate Rantanen return. Carolina seems like they were dead set on adding futures. But looking forward into next season's cap picture, something would've had to give.

I just don't see the successful way of paring down an aging roster if you're having to pay to get and then pay to get rid of unwanted salary. There's only so much trade capital you get and we're already out our 1st two seasons ahead.

Well, one way to do that is to sign free agents in their late 20s that don't cost you any assets, and using the assets you do have to get out of bad contracts. Not sure it's gonna work, but with the cap going up, it might be a reasonable strategy for extending the window without a couple of drop off years.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Agree on Marner for certain. Their pursuit of Rantanen shows that this is a team-model they are very comfortable with. I just don't see him leaving Toronto. Like, why would he? Toronto is just as much of a stanley cup threat that the Oilers are, and he has played his entire career there. He is also from southern Ontario as well, so would have family etc in the area. I'd be very surprised to see him leave TO.

How is Toronto as much of a Stanley cup threat? It’s not even close. Torontos playoff success isn’t even in the same realm as the Oilers.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Oof, I like the player, but bullet dodged.

 

[Oilhawks]

Oof, I like the player, but bullet dodged.

Always came across as an entitled douchebag. That comment stands, even if the Oilers were “one of the four” as rumoured

 

[bellagiobob]

What a debacle that trade was.

 

[McJadeddog]

How is Toronto as much of a Stanley cup threat? It’s not even close. Torontos playoff success isn’t even in the same realm as the Oilers.

I think any hockey person would put Toronto in the "cup contender" category for certain. Yes, they haven't had playoff success yet really, but would you be shocked if they made the conference finals this year? I wouldn't be at all.

 

[K1984]

What a debacle that trade was.

I hate the Hurricanes for no reason other than analytics nerds love to shine them an Tulsky up as god's gift to hockey management and the model that everyone else is so dumb for not following.

Here's why they'll never be good:

1 - their owner is a cheapskate idiot that had the good fortune of getting there the moment that prior high draft picks panned out. The moment they need to spend they just won't, and they aren't making investments in the back end of their organization either.

2 - Tulsky might know how to work a spreadsheet, but clearly he doesn't know how deals work. If Rantanen was a rental to win a cup - great because it is only gravy if he re-sings. If re-signing him was part of the trade calculus, they're morons for not testing those waters first. The value in the end wasn't bad (Necas + Drury for (2) 1sts + Staknoven and Hall), but not when you're trying to win.

They seem to be setting themselves up to be a team that will be in the playoffs for a decade, but never a threat to actually win because their owner is a penny pincher that most agents despise.

 

[belair]

Well, one way to do that is to sign free agents in their late 20s that don't cost you any assets, and using the assets you do have to get out of bad contracts. Not sure it's gonna work, but with the cap going up, it might be a reasonable strategy for extending the window without a couple of drop off years.

That's a really poor way of building and sustaining a competitive team, because regression is inevitable and assets are finite. When that asset pool is drained, the party's over.

You're seeing it in other competitive markets where they're willing to move on from key components one way our another because of how limiting those contracts will be when it comes to icing a roster capable of contending for a championship.

I'm never really fond of spending money on the UFA market to begin with. Those wins in July quickly turn into regrettable decisions by November. But when an elite player like Rantanen or Marner goes to market, you have to take notice.

 

[bellagiobob]

I hate the Hurricanes for no reason other than analytics nerds love to shine them an Tulsky up as god's gift to hockey management and the model that everyone else is so dumb for not following.

Here's why they'll never be good:

1 - their owner is a cheapskate idiot that had the good fortune of getting there the moment that prior high draft picks panned out. The moment they need to spend they just won't, and they aren't making investments in the back end of their organization either.

2 - Tulsky might know how to work a spreadsheet, but clearly he doesn't know how deals work. If Rantanen was a rental to win a cup - great because it is only gravy if he re-sings. If re-signing him was part of the trade calculus, they're morons for not testing those waters first. The value in the end wasn't bad (Necas + Drury for (2) 1sts + Staknoven and Hall), but not when you're trying to win.

They seem to be setting themselves up to be a team that will be in the playoffs for a decade, but never a threat to actually win because their owner is a penny pincher that most agents despise.

The Athletic had a poll with agents last month, asking them their opinions about various subjects. In the question about who was the worst owner in the league, the runaway answer was the Canes owner.

 

[belair]

What a debacle that trade was.

It would've been more of an issue if Rantanen didn't agree to a sign and trade though. He didn't have to do that.

 

[LTIR]

of course that is. Sure I guess, they can't, the team is over and dead.

You're pretty narrow sighted and dramatic.

Factor in NMCs handed out like candy and that's actually a fact.
No way you can fit in Rantanen at 13M per without getting multiple players to waive their NMCs or ship out McD or Ekholm.
Forget Rantanen, we won't be able to fit Frederic long term without shipping out Kane next season.

 

[bellagiobob]

Ekblad gets 20 game suspension for violating the performance enhancing substance program.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Well done Ekblad

Ekblad gets 20 game suspension for violating the performance enhancing substance program.

If it was an Oiler, it would be a ban for life plus 2 first round picks to Vegas

 

[MessierThanThou]

Well done Ekblad


If it was an Oiler, it would be a ban for life plus 2 first round picks to Vegas

Oh look, Ekblad gets to rest before the playoffs, with a two-game slap on the wrist for the first round.