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[samiam]

You could also theoretically run this

Drai McDavid Hyman
Marner RNH Savoie

or

Drai McDavid Savoie
Marner RNH Hyman

For example. I think Marner could help Savoie a lot and drive offense from his own line.

And yeah you'd have to get rid of Janmark probably too.

I think the days of RNH being a 2nd line Center for any substantial amount of time are over.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I dunno, I feel like I've heard this refrain before (late-Chia, early-Holland) and it didn't end well. I also note Savoie (I'm a fan but entirely unproven) in your top-6, so it's not even a foregone conclusion that it will eviscerate competition like we'd "hope" (ie betting the farm on).

I don't see us winning until we have functioning (ie outscoring against mid-high competition) third-line depth.

My personal take is that we were on the right track this year, but just made the wrong bets (Henrique, Arvidsson, Skinner) and had dead cap (Kane)... or guys that haven't even played (Frederic, also Skinner).

I'm not running that back either, but even if I found $12M in cap, I just don't think this team can afford to invest it all in one place,... not as currently constructed and with absolutely ZERO for NHL-developing depth in the AHL.

If I were to invest in a super high-end forward, it would be much smarter to build a solid foundation of depth in the summer first and save $2-3M in actual cap dollars for that $8-10M at next year's deadline... your cap purchasing power multiplies by 4X at the TDL and you'd have an actual 3rd line (unless you screw up your summer adds again)

That's actually not the Chia/Holland approach, because they expected those cheap guys to play high end minutes in the top-6, which isn't feasible. The Avs function this way, the Knights function this way, the Bolts function this way, trying to get as much out of the cheaper bottom-6 as they can. In the Bolts case, it's why they pay SO MUCH for value contracts in deals.

It's not perfect, but more impact players generally make you better. You need the other guys, but the days of the Moreau, Marchant, Grier staple are long gone.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Instead of keeping him and reaping those benefits for their own?

It is their choice.

You assume something I don't. You absolutely move on from Kane and Arvidsson this offseason.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

After the playoffs they'll be looking for a #1 goalie.

I somehow doubt it, even though it’s obvious as hell they need an upgrade. The org loves Skinner more than McDavid it seems and think he’s just as flawless as Schwartzies.

 

[frag2]

Meh, I don't think Buchnevich or even Rantanen for this season would save us in the playoffs from a weak deflating stinker as a result of Skinner's goaltending. All the hopes and dreams really depends on Skinner. If he plays hot, then we're good. If he plays cold, we're f***ed. There's no consistency with this guy which is the most frustrating part. It's like playing Russian Roulette with Skinner holding the gun to your head.
He is the definition of Jekyll and Hyde.

Yea with 4 of the 6 cartridges loaded in the revolver amirite? Since that's pretty much what the Oilers need to score [4] to have a good chance at victory

 

[bucks_oil]

That's actually not the Chia/Holland approach, because they expected those cheap guys to play high end minutes in the top-6, which isn't feasible. The Avs function this way, the Knights function this way, the Bolts function this way, trying to get as much out of the cheaper bottom-6 as they can. In the Bolts case, it's why they pay SO MUCH for value contracts in deals.

It's not perfect, but more impact players generally make you better. You need the other guys, but the days of the Moreau, Marchant, Grier staple are long gone.

Umm… what? No.

1) The current Bolts, Avs and Knights have:
a top six forwards making 46, 42 (including Lando), 40M

… and these particular rosters haven’t won anything. We shall see if it is an exemplar to follow.

For reference: last years cup winner had 42M tied up in top-6 (as of today, not sure if any got re-upped this summer?… if so would have been lower). In any case, the lower end of that range.

2) You are advocating for a top-6 that would be spending $50M and that’s with a kid on an ELC we aren’t sure we can even count on…

And if we can’t count on him the next best bet will be a journeyman or aged vet making $1.5 cuz you won’t have anything else left to spend up front.

3) That extra $6-8M you are advocating for is the difference between a third line of Evan Rodriguez and Nick Paul types vs Corey Perry and Matthias Janmark

PS: Also… I won’t ever defend Chia, he placed the wrong bets with Lucic at $6M. Holland’s first years he was digging out from that mess… I don’t believe he thought for a moment that Chiasson or Nymark were true top-6 options… he simply has zero choice and needed to fill out a roster. His mistakes (Kassian) came much later as he desperately tried to hold onto anyone who could play at the NHL level at all. And then, after 4 years of tolerating Chia’s biggest mistake (Koskinen) he made his own on Campbell… who probably woulda been ok if not for the substance abuse (ugh).

 

[McDrai]

Guess we'd have to turf Janmark and Emberson too? Idk, it's a lot of turnover for 1 guy especially when we had quite a volatile summer last year. I've wanted Marner, but idk if it's realistic.

If we did get him, I think I play Marner with Drai. Sure, McMarner connected for the 4N winner, but before that they didn't look like a good fit too often. I think him and Drai are a near perfect match. And I run Nuge at 3C. Go out and see if Taylor Hall will come home for a cup run for a million bucks.

Hall-McDavid-Hyman
Podz-Drai-Marner
Kostin-Nuge-Savoie
Jones-Philp,Brown?

I don’t see why Hall wouldn’t sign with us this summer. His house has been built and gathering dust for a few years now.

 

[McDoused]

After tonight's game you might have to consider Podkolzin-Nuge-Arvidsson your 3rd line. It's a pricey 3rd line but that's worth it if they can drive play.

I can't say I'm a fan of Perry and Brown in the top 6. I think both guys should be playing on that 4th line.

When Kane and Frederic are healthy you have to think both are in the top 6. I'd also like to keep Skinner in the top 6 if possible. I could see us switching Kane and Skinner around.

We could potentially move Henrique around but be will likely anchor our 4th line while Nuge plays 3C.

I think Janmark gets first dibs on that line but Jones, Kapanen and Perry could all find time on the 4th line.

Skinner-McDavid-Hyman
Frederic-Draisaitl-Kane
Podkolzin-RNH-Arvidsson
Janmark-Henrique-Brown

 

[Canovin]

After tonight's game you might have to consider Podkolzin-Nuge-Arvidsson your 3rd line. It's a pricey 3rd line but that's worth it if they can drive play.

I can't say I'm a fan of Perry and Brown in the top 6. I think both guys should be playing on that 4th line.

When Kane and Frederic are healthy you have to think both are in the top 6. I'd also like to keep Skinner in the top 6 if possible. I could see us switching Kane and Skinner around.

We could potentially move Henrique around but be will likely anchor our 4th line while Nuge plays 3C.

I think Janmark gets first dibs on that line but Jones, Kapanen and Perry could all find time on the 4th line.

Skinner-McDavid-Hyman
Frederic-Draisaitl-Kane
Podkolzin-RNH-Arvidsson
Janmark-Henrique-Brown

If Skinner, Kane, Arvid and Frederic have good playoffs, this would probably most likely be the same make up for next season. With the Oilers adding a big piece or two at the deadline.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

What an insane stat lol

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If Skinner, Kane, Arvid and Frederic have good playoffs, this would probably most likely be the same make up for next season. With the Oilers adding a big piece or two at the deadline.

It's actually a good set up for the Oilers, because when Frederic comes back you imagine he pushes Brown down the line up and Kapanen out of the line up. So you look like

Skinner - McDavid - Hyman
Frederic - Draisaitl - Perry
Podkolzin - Nuge - Arvidsson
Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Kapanen

With Brown or Henrique being able to move up to spell Perry if you want more speed or a different look.

 

[Paralyzer]

What an insane stat lol

With a healthy D lineup, we do have a pretty good core on defence.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Walman
Kulak-Emberson/Klingberg/Stecher

I really feel this is good enough for the playoffs. I think we will see less of the gaffs and goofs from Stu Skinner and finally see what he's capable of...

That, or he falls flat and we look for another goalie in the summer. But I got faith he will find it again.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

With a healthy D lineup, we do have a pretty good core on defence.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Walman
Kulak-Emberson/Klingberg/Stecher

I really feel this is good enough for the playoffs. I think we will see less of the gaffs and goofs from Stu Skinner and finally see what he's capable of...

That, or he falls flat and we look for another goalie in the summer. But I got faith he will find it again.

I unless Skinner become Ken Dryden in the playoffs, I think it's a foregone conclusion they look for a new tender in the offseason, it was just "too hard?" to find one at the deadline. I still hate this, but it is what it is.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Maybe he is back for the first round, that would be big, imo.

 

[Canovin]

Maybe he is back for the first round, that would be big, imo.

Evander: When can I start skating with the team?

Oilers: After the league okay Landeskog to skate with the Avs

 

[Paralyzer]

I unless Skinner become Ken Dryden in the playoffs, I think it's a foregone conclusion they look for a new tender in the offseason, it was just "too hard?" to find one at the deadline. I still hate this, but it is what it is.

Well I'm not willing to write him off just yet. If the team feels he can turn this around, I'm willing to try it. I mean, this is the best defence Skinner has had in front of him since he played. Let's see what he can do.

 

[K1984]

I unless Skinner become Ken Dryden in the playoffs, I think it's a foregone conclusion they look for a new tender in the offseason, it was just "too hard?" to find one at the deadline. I still hate this, but it is what it is.

If we get good enough goaltending in the playoffs I could easily see them run both of them back without second thought next year. The trap of "well it ended up being ok in the playoffs so good enough!"

I thought brining Pickard back as the #2 after last year was dumb on its own to begin with.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If we get good enough goaltending in the playoffs I could easily see them run both of them back without second thought last year. The trap of "well it ended up being ok in the playoffs so good enough!"

I thought brining Pickard back as the #2 after last year was dumb on its own to begin with.

I mean it wasn't great, at least Pickard has done "largely" ok and he's really really well liked.

I don't think they'll get trapped, Skinner would have become a different goaltender, and I don't see it. I believe they will move on from him fully in the offseason, I also suspect(hope) they'll fire Schwartz at the same time, not wanting to do it now if "upset" things as they are.

I mean I don't see any reason Gibson and Pickard couldn't work at the very least.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Well I'm not willing to write him off just yet. If the team feels he can turn this around, I'm willing to try it. I mean, this is the best defence Skinner has had in front of him since he played. Let's see what he can do.

I'm willing to, he's not a terrible tender, they just need someone different in the 1 hole, and plus you can't extend Skinner for what it will "cost" right now.

 

[joestevens29]

Pickard is like one of the best backups in the NHL last year and this year. Far from the issue

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Pickard is like one of the best backups in the NHL last year and this year. Far from the issue

I mean he's been good, but Allen's been better, Quick has been better, he's just be good. When he's bad, he's AHL bad and then Skinner hasn't picked up any slack there.

Either way, they are getting a new goalie(s) is the offseason. This tandem cannot be the same come camp next year.

 

[joestevens29]

I mean he's been good, but Allen's been better, Quick has been better, he's just be good. When he's bad, he's AHL bad and then Skinner hasn't picked up any slack there.

Either way, they are getting a new goalie(s) is the offseason. This tandem cannot be the same come camp next year.

Quick was lit(1/3 of his games 5-7ga) up like a xmas tree a lot this year. Even if you think he's better. That still puts Pickard easily in top 5.

Guy is top 30 in the league in wins and save pct. Not exactly bad numbers for a backup

 

[Heavy Dee]

Pickard is like one of the best backups in the NHL last year and this year. Far from the issue

It's not about him being a backup. It's about him being a potential starter.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Quick was lit(1/3 of his games 5-7ga) up like a xmas tree a lot this year. Even if you think he's better. That still puts Pickard easily in top 5.

Guy is top 30 in the league in wins and save pct. Not exactly bad numbers for a backup

I mean, fine, but Pickard can't start more than a single game in a row without issue, that pushes him down a bit as a high end back up, but he as a spot starter he's done well.

 

[Fourier]

I

I mean he's been good, but Allen's been better, Quick has been better, he's just be good. When he's bad, he's AHL bad and then Skinner hasn't picked up any slack there.

Either way, they are getting a new goalie(s) is the offseason. This tandem cannot be the same come camp next year.

It would be hard to argue that Quick has been better. His QS% is .412 and Pickard is at .686. That is a massive difference in consistency.