Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Movie Poster Edition VII- "Deadline"

[Mcnotloilersfan]

So if I understand this correctly... having Klingberg on the ice for your team is leaves you more vulnerable than facing McDavid?

 

[Macblender]

This man is a forward not a defenseman

 

[WaitingForUser]

So if I understand this correctly... having Klingberg on the ice for your team is leaves you more vulnerable than facing McDavid?

Jfresh is almost as big of a joke as evolvingwild

 

[Paralyzer008]

Klingberg has had a horrible season.

Yes the Ducks are horrible - but he's supposed to help them not be horrible and he's sucked balls.

 

[OilerTyler]

Klingberg has had a horrible season.

Yes the Ducks are horrible - but he's supposed to help them not be horrible and he's sucked balls.

Doesn't mean he'll suck balls on a better team though. Klingberg's contributions to the Ducks are completely irrelevant to Minnesota. All that matters is how he'll contribute to the Wild. That's why having good pro scouts is important.

Look at what Justin Schultz did for us compared to what he did for Pittsburgh.

 

[guymez]

Doesn't mean he'll suck balls on a better team though. Klingberg's contributions to the Ducks are completely irrelevant to Minnesota. All that matters is how he'll contribute to the Wild. That's why having good pro scouts is important.

Look at what Justin Schultz did for us compared to what he did for Pittsburgh.

For sure.
Putting players in a position to succeed kind of helps.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If the Avs ever get healthy then look it out. Definitely best team in the west.

Makar alone makes them the best team in the west.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Makar alone makes them the best team in the west.

As long as he’s healthy I agree but Ekholm should help quite a bit with him

 

[Paralyzer008]

Doesn't mean he'll suck balls on a better team though. Klingberg's contributions to the Ducks are completely irrelevant to Minnesota. All that matters is how he'll contribute to the Wild. That's why having good pro scouts is important.

Look at what Justin Schultz did for us compared to what he did for Pittsburgh.

Yeah but why are we talking about him here?

Did people want him on the Oilers?

JFresh there is pointing out a fact - he sucked on Anaheim. Doesn't mean anything else going forward.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Makar alone makes them the best team in the west.

Well no… McDavid > Makar.

Edit : nvm you mean him alone coming back? I agree.

 

[belair]

So if I understand this correctly... having Klingberg on the ice for your team is leaves you more vulnerable than facing McDavid?

If they pair him with Brodin and he magically reverts back to a legitimate top four puck-moving defenseman will people finally stop posting these charts?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

If they pair him with Brodin and he magically reverts back to a legitimate top four puck-moving defenseman will people finally stop posting these charts?

No because "ChArTs ArE tHe FiNaL wOrD iN aLl ThInGs HoCkEy"

 

[Nostradumbass]

So if I understand this correctly... having Klingberg on the ice for your team is leaves you more vulnerable than facing McDavid?

Having Klingberg on the ice turns the other team into McDavids

 

[CycloneSweep]

Makar alone makes them the best team in the west.

Makar isn't close to as good as he was last year.

So if I understand this correctly... having Klingberg on the ice for your team is leaves you more vulnerable than facing McDavid?

Yes. IF you play against Klingberg, your team scores at the same rate as it would if you had McDavid on your team.

 

[CycloneSweep]

If they pair him with Brodin and he magically reverts back to a legitimate top four puck-moving defenseman will people finally stop posting these charts?

People get so mad at charts and being presented with numbers.
Can players get better? Yes.
Do these charts show an accurate glimpse of a player. Yes.
If you look at the graphs on the right it shows the last 3 years. His defense has always been awful and this year it is worse. His offense has also taken a dip this year.

People get way to upset about numbers being presented to them. Are some of these guys takes bad? Absolutely.
But the numbers presented aren't their opinions.

 

[Paralyzer]

Looking at how we did with the trade deadline, I went and checked what our offseason would be like compared to say, Calgary's offseason.

Edmonton has 8.5M cap space with 15 guys signed with the key players needing signed are McLeod, Bouchard, Janmark, Kostin and Ryan.

Calgary has 1.3M in Cap Space with 18 players signed with key players needing signed are Lucic, Ritchie, Stecher and Stone.

While yes, we do have more players to sign, if we decide to keep most and let one or two walk, we probably could still have like 3-4M left over to upgrade where we need (assuming the cap stays at 1M increase). Calgary has to move players out if they want to try to upgrade. We also have much more friendly contracts to move out and we can easily change/upgrade compared to how Calgary could do.

I personally am very comfortable with our situation, and we got a solid core of players to make 2-3 runs easily. And with the cap going up, we could potentially turn this into 4 to 5+ runs as well. We got a nice foundation and we can build onto this. Let's just hope our prospect pool is ready to jump in when the time is right. But the future is bright for us!

 

[TGOSnipes99]

Trying to be a non-biased fan, I would still obviously give COL the edge against us if Makar is fully healthy and they are all healthy in general, but this time (if we meet them) it is a coin flip IMO

 

[North]

Doesn't mean he'll suck balls on a better team though. Klingberg's contributions to the Ducks are completely irrelevant to Minnesota. All that matters is how he'll contribute to the Wild. That's why having good pro scouts is important.

Look at what Justin Schultz did for us compared to what he did for Pittsburgh.

He was bad defensively on Dallas too.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

People get so mad at charts and being presented with numbers.
Can players get better? Yes.
Do these charts show an accurate glimpse of a player. Yes.
If you look at the graphs on the right it shows the last 3 years. His defense has always been awful and this year it is worse. His offense has also taken a dip this year.

People get way to upset about numbers being presented to them. Are some of these guys takes bad? Absolutely.
But the numbers presented aren't their opinions.

Often no, and the numbers presented are usually subjective bullshit.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Weird analytics thing thats mind blowing.
Top 3 teams in the west for xGF%?
1. Edmonton
2. Vegas
3. SAN JOSE???

Often no, and the numbers presented are usually subjective bullshit.

They take numbers that exist that aren't subjective and put them into a neat package.
WAR is a bit more complicated and it depends on the formula used but for the most part it takes all the normal advanced stats and weigh them against the average.

Don't see how that is subjective.

For the most part analytics lineup exactly with what the eye test shows. Are there some outliers, for sure. Do some people use them wrong? Absolutely.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Jfresh is almost as big of a joke as evolvingwild

Imma heavily disagree there. Evolvingwilds model is a joke, makes too many awful proclamations. Jfresh admits faults with his models at times and is much less of a knob.

 

[alphahelix]

Weird analytics thing thats mind blowing.
Top 3 teams in the west for xGF%?
1. Edmonton
2. Vegas
3. SAN JOSE???


They take numbers that exist that aren't subjective and put them into a neat package.
WAR is a bit more complicated and it depends on the formula used but for the most part it takes all the normal advanced stats and weigh them against the average.

Don't see how that is subjective.

For the most part analytics lineup exactly with what the eye test shows. Are there some outliers, for sure. Do some people use them wrong? Absolutely.

Some of the ratings are subjective some of them arent. Some are entirely based on statistical regression models trained on like 10 years of data that still IMO dont do a great job in accounting for certain extremes and edge cases. At least one of these charts guys is based on small game segments from each player that are actually viewed and various metrics are counted/calculated through manual observation.

To the layman its the wild west because they are often similarly presented superficially/graphically... I looked into it once but I cant remember whats what anymore and who has the best methodology.

Some of them are "objective" data presented in ways that are somewhat misrepresentative.

Some of them are pretty good.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Some of the ratings are subjective some of them arent. Some are entirely based on statistical regression models trained on like 10 years of data that still IMO dont do a great job in accounting for certain extremes and edge cases. At least one of these charts guys is based on small game segments from each player that are actually viewed and various metrics are counted/calculated through manual observation.

To the layman its the wild west because they are often similarly presented superficially/graphically... I looked into it once but I cant remember whats what anymore and who has the best methodology.

Some of them are "objective" data presented in ways that are somewhat misrepresentative.

Some of them are pretty good.

The above ratings for a guy like Jfresh aren't subjective for the most part. The % is what percentile you are in compared to the league. I almost NEVER use the big ol % he throws in the middle because I will agree, that is the subjective part as he decides what stat gets weighted as what. The rest of the chart is extremely effective to look at as there is no real bias or subjectivity. Like the one above doesn't even argue with the eye test. He is a good offensive dman who is one of the worst in the league defensively. Now the 12% in the middle puts a heavy weight on the defensive side of the game which depending on who you talk to makes sense.

I will admit, a lot of people just look at that damn middle number and don't look at the rest.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Imma heavily disagree there. Evolvingwilds model is a joke, makes too many awful proclamations. Jfresh admits faults with his models at times and is much less of a knob.

He does admit his faults I will give you that. But I’ve seen some pretty bad takes from him as well. Matt Benning for example was supposed to be a top 4 d man when we let him go

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Weird analytics thing thats mind blowing.
Top 3 teams in the west for xGF%?
1. Edmonton
2. Vegas
3. SAN JOSE???


They take numbers that exist that aren't subjective and put them into a neat package.
WAR is a bit more complicated and it depends on the formula used but for the most part it takes all the normal advanced stats and weigh them against the average.

Don't see how that is subjective.

For the most part analytics lineup exactly with what the eye test shows. Are there some outliers, for sure. Do some people use them wrong? Absolutely.

I’ve seen player cards that are so far off from a qualified eye test that it boggles the mind.

Too many people use these as absolutes.