Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | If Babcock is Our New Coach Will Players Want to Come Here?

[BobbytheBrain]

They overpaid for the opportunity to overpay--again.

Byram ends up as a #2(maybe #1)running their D and pp immediately.

You think that's not worth bypassing 2-3 years of a maybe?

Seems quit a few GMs are jumping ship on this draft class.

Doing right by Bedard seems like a no brainer. May lead to nothing, but better than doing nothing

 

[Yuke]

How can you have faith in that? It got reported we asked him to waive his NMC last summer. He sulked and he stunk during the year. What makes anyone think he will be better this year?

It's too far gone. Plus, without moving his contract, we will not be able to make upgrades

No way should the Oil take a crap deal to lose Nurse. Where us the beef on this team?

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

AJ Greer had a decent year, I sure would mind seeing Greer, Dickinson and Dach forecheck the crap out of teams.

I've always liked Lomberg, and he'd be cheap too

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Has anyone heard any hearsay regarding The Worm? Would love to have him back.

I'm with you, I think he is one of the strongest value additions we can make, AFP has his caphit projected at $2.17M and has a solid track record of not only production with limited minutes, but also elevating the play of those he plays with. I think he makes our 4th line substantially stronger, posted a 60% GF% at 5 on 5 last season which is kind of crazy, I'd be very happy with a 55 GF% at 5 on 5 from our 4th line and toss in he's a good mentor for Samanski, who also fits his style of play.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

AJ Greer had a decent year, I sure would mind seeing Greer, Dickinson and Dach forecheck the crap out of teams.

You know what? Lets grab Greer along with Perry and then trade for Wilson. Collect scumbags Florida style.

 

[BobbytheBrain]

No way should the Oil take a crap deal to lose Nurse. Where us the beef on this team?

The fact you think Nurse is beef is the problem. The reason he has so many own goals is cuz he fails to clear the net. Yes, he's actually there trying so kudos, but he barely moves players to the side effectively....hence, pucks bouncing off him

 

[belair]

Byram ends up as a #2(maybe #1)running their D and pp immediately.

You think that's not worth bypassing 2-3 years of a maybe?

Seems quit a few GMs are jumping ship on this draft class.

Doing right by Bedard seems like a no brainer. May lead to nothing, but better than doing nothing

I think they could've been much farther ahead just giving Carlson $10m and giving Levshunov a bit of a buffer. It was a trade that reeked of desperation. From Buffalo's POV, it was a no-brainer. But like I said, I don't see how they don't take an immediate step back.

 

[belair]

Some people are gonna be grossed out by this idea, but I wouldn't be opposed to Kailer Yamamoto reunion based on his showing last year in Utah. His puck retrievals were very solid. And his defensive game took big steps forward. Undersized, but very high motor.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Again, I think if his name was Jake Smith people would be much less emotional about the idea.


But again, Mantha doesn’t play the games. Also, his PPG is artificially inflated by what was a clear outlier season that’s 30% higher than his best year otherwise. Why should we pay out the nose for that?



DeBrusk has the 94th most ES goals since entering the league, ahead of Lehkonen, Seguin, Terry and yes Mantha. There 180 top six forwards in the league at any given time so he’s firmly middle of the pack.



“Quality of minutes” is not really a thing when the player is firmly in top six territory compared to his peers as shown with ESG. You are sounding like one of those scouts in the Moneyball movie who don’t like how much someone weighs or what their girlfriend looks like. He gets results consistently- way more consistently than Mantha- and does it at what is a reasonable cap hit for this market.



DeBrusk had more hits than Mantha last year, so if he isn’t “putting himself in a position” to be injured, what’s the other guy doing?



This is the most bizarre argument I’ve ever seen on this board. So McDavid would be a better player if he missed more games because it would let guys from the minors get ice time? What?

There is no emotion here for me, I just don't want to add an overpaid player, yet some would cause they like the story of having another Debrusk in Edmonton, they prioritize emotion over unbiased player evaluation and analytics. Like I would love to add Will Horcoff and it has nothing to do with his last name or who his father is, I believe in the player.

Its a fact that many of Mantha's best seasons were cut short by injury, this being the first season where when he was both running hot & played a full season, but in terms of points per game he has had 1 season better than this and 1 season close to this and at the end of the day his career points per game is still better than Debrusk.

I think the only argument that needs to be made is in the past 3 seasons Debrusk has not contributed at 5 on 5 like a top 6 player, he is clearly well below that. Frigging Mangiapane's 5 on 5 points per 60 over the last 3 seasons completely blows Debrusk out of the water. No sane person wants to pay $5.5M forwhat is supposed to be an offensive forward who just put up a 0.9 Points/per 60 last season (at 5 on 5) and to make it even worse he's signed for 5 frigging years.

I feel like I'm the guy saying hey lets avoid a train wreck and you're here wearing a conductor hat going "Choo-Choo!".

The only way in hell I get with in 50 feet of taking Debrusk is if they are taking back Frederic. I've pondered if I would even do Nurse 1 for 1 for him and the ultimate answer is no, let alone trading a 2nd and 3rd rd pick for Debrusk and a 5th rd pick as you suggested earlier.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Some people are gonna be grossed out by this idea, but I wouldn't be opposed to Kailer Yamamoto reunion based on his showing last year in Utah. His puck retrievals were very solid. And his defensive game took big steps forward. Undersized, but very high motor.

I just don't see where he fits in the lineup. Doesn't have the offense enough to be in top-6, doesn't have the physicality or 2-way game to be in the bottom-6

 

[foshizzle]

I'm with you, I think he is one of the strongest value additions we can make, AFP has his caphit projected at $2.17M and has a solid track record of not only production with limited minutes, but also elevating the play of those he plays with. I think he makes our 4th line substantially stronger, posted a 60% GF% at 5 on 5 last season which is kind of crazy, I'd be very happy with a 55 GF% at 5 on 5 from our 4th line and toss in he's a good mentor for Samanski, who also fits his style of play.

Babcock and DJ Smith said they will play a high pressure, skating game. Perry absolutely will not fit

 

[belair]

I just don't see where he fits in the lineup. Doesn't have the offense enough to be in top-6, doesn't have the physicality or 2-way game to be in the bottom-6

I think he'd plug right into that third line and probably fit Kapanen's role like a glove. He had some past chemistry with Draisaitl, too. Has PK acumen. And likely comes in at a shade under $2m.

Another cheap value option I could see is Mike Reilly platooning the 3LD with Stastney.