Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Does Bowman Make His Mark on the Team Before Training Camp?

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Macblender

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Key is being able to accrue cap during the season.
Yeah at the deadline we will have enough to bring in a $4.4M player. With a D like brown going the other way we would be able to add about $5.4 before retention which is a decent piece better than Ceci for sure or I would hope

This won't happen, unless Nurse is traded or something, because they'll be in ltir as they break camp
No they can get under and put Kane on ltir after the season starts now
 

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Well, we've went for 2 years trying and failing to upgrade on Ceci, and it cost us games. Now they are in a position where they have someone else/lesser pencilled into that spot, but actually have more cap space flexibility to make that move. We just need to have someone else cover that role for a bit.
Yep. Agreed on most fronts. Just hope this guy exists
 

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I know that stuff man but you’re saying you’re just going to give a top 4 to a player who played 30 NHL games? Emberson will be a top 4 maybe in the future but he’s not ready yet. You can’t gift wrap the role to him just like that.

Sounds like what an OBC move would be. If we don’t get a legit top 4 Dman for that spot, I don’t know what we are thinking
So then you are for giving up Holloway and Broberg?

Worst case scenario? We snatch Ceci back from the Sharks at the deadline.
lol- why?
 

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So then you are for giving up Holloway and Broberg?


lol- why?
Well, worst case scenario of course would be that we don't find a better partner for Nurse and nobody better is available at the deadline, so it would be "I'd rather bring Ceci back for a run with one of our picks than go into the playoffs with what we have now. Not ideal by any means, which is why I said it is "worst case scenario".
 

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The price will be too steep. But a good fit if he was on any team other than Calgary.

I doubt he is still available, but Nashville was shopping Dante Fabbro earlier this summer. H might be a good fit in a shutdown capacity beside Nurse.
Nurse needs a puck mover not a shutdown guy. He always plays better with a d man that can move the puck quickly.
 
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The issue is not losing the players. It's that this was a self-induced situation that led them into inflationary market pricing on two young NHL players than exceeded their spent budget and risk threshold. They allegedly walked from a last deadline deal with these players for a retained Buchnevich.

Getting off the overpay cycle is a critical need for a team that's tendency and reality to buy high. Failing to see danger and lose cheap value young talent is a massive issue that was avoidable.
I don’t disagree but I think it’s hard to make a fair assessment without all the facts, we don’t know how willing either side was to negotiate extensions in season. It takes two to tango and at that point both players performances didn’t give them much to negotiate on and it wasn’t going to get worse waiting until the offseason but it could get better.

Let me ask you a couple questions. If you were the Oilers GM, knowing that their is a ton of uncertainty surrounding your cap situation and not even knowing at that point what the upper limit is going to be, between January and April, would you of signed Broberg to a 1.8M cap hit and Holloway to a 1.2M?

And second question if you were either of these players agent and the playoffs just ended and you are just over a week from free agency and you know Armstrong has alluded to using offer sheets and you look at the Oilers cap situation, would you advise your client to take a 1.2 or 1.8 offer at that point or would you tell them to hold off and see if any gm’s reach out on July 1?

I don’t think Broberg ever had the intention of signing before seeing if he could force his way out via offer sheet. But in hindsight I think management screwed up by not getting Holloway done in season. Maybe 1.2M is more than he’s worth at that point and you’re trying to watch every dollar but if you get him signed then it doesn’t leave you as exposed.

Overall, it sucks losing good prospects that you’ve put time into but it’s not a complete loss. They also managed to pick up a top 10 pick who was drafted a year before Holloway and has actually shown more at the NHL level and also added another recent top 10 pick who looks near ready and still has 3 years of elc.

Also, I really like the addition of Emberson. I put a lot of stock into Bruce Curlocks opinion and while I think overall Brobergs potential upside is more attractive I think Emberson is a better fit, both in position and style, for the teams needs right now.
 

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Nurse needs a puck mover not a shutdown guy. He always plays better with a d man that can move the puck quickly.
Some games Nurse needs a puck mover AND a shutdown guy. ;)

Nurse played very well with Adam Larsson, who isn't a great puck mover. Don't talk about a puck mover for Nurse too much though, there's still Barrie, Justin Schultz and Tony DeAngelo available in free agency - all puck movers who I don't think will help the team.
 

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Well we have .700k in cap space


Ceci was on 2.3 and we added pods at 1mill and eds at
975


I do not think he can come back unless we send out equal money
Puckpedia has us at 945,833.

We will be able to accrue cap space throughout the regular season if we have anyone go on LTIR - and I don't want to sound like a jerk by running down a player, but we'll probably be able to accrue some space from Arvidsson at some point in the regular season, and if Kane is getting hip surgery like some rumours suggest, he's likely gone for months, so we can accrue some space there too. That's the space we can gain throughout the season to help us add a 2RD (hopefully an upgrade on Ceci).
 

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Something I think isn't really being talked about enough but with Holloway out and Kane on IR the bottom 6 to start the year is:

Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Podkolzin - Ryan - Perry

I know that third line caught lightning in a bottle down the playoff stretch but that is... not very good.
 

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Who was it from the media that hinted in a reunion this year?

Lots of people were hoping it would be Larsson but in reality he can never come back for the same reason he left.

Others cringe at the thought of Barrie coming back.

Maybe it's Schultz? Wasn't he best friends with Nuge? I'd settle for Schultz. Or Shattenkirk on a bonus structured contract.
 

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Something I think isn't really being talked about enough but with Holloway out and Kane on IR the bottom 6 to start the year is:

Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Podkolzin - Ryan - Perry

I know that third line caught lightning in a bottle down the playoff stretch but that is... not very good.

Henrique is one of the best centres we have had in the last decade not named McDavid or Draisaitl.

For me what to watch is who secures the 4th line pivot. I know we all put Ryan's name there but with Pedersen, Grubbe and Philp, I hope they come prepared to push him out. Even Hamblin may be a dark horse given that he got a taste of an NHL paycheck last year.
 

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I said it earlier but now that we officially didn’t match, I think Soderstrom from Utah could be a good buy-low candidate from Utah. He’s from the same draft class as Broberg and has had a pretty similar development path. Utah added a bunch to their blueline this year and I don’t believe he’s waiver eligible so he should be relatively cheap.

It’s certainly not ideal but I’d be interested in having him battle for a spot in camp with Emberson, Brown, Stetcher, and a veteran PTO like Barrie or Shattenkirk.

In a best case scenario both Emberson and Soderberg look good and we have two young blueliners to build with. In a worst case scenario we have the flexibility to upgrade the blueline later in the season.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Emberson
Kulak-Soderstrom

We are certainly weaker going into the season than last year but I don’t think it’s nearly as dismal as people are making it given Ceci’s struggles last year. We know Nurse, Bouchard, and Ekholm will soak up a ton of minutes and Kulak is reliable on the third pairing - we really just need one guy to step up or we will need to upgrade mid-year.
 
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I have a decent feeling about Emberson. He is supposedly a defensive specialist and that IMHO is exactly what Nurse needs. Someone that can read exactly WTF Nurse is doing and know to adjust in real time might make Nurse a better defenseman than he has been. Yes Ekholm is much better, but Ekholm did unlock the potential of Bouchard. Maybe Emberson is the Garfunkle to Edmonton's Simon. LOL!

Seriously though, the guy paired with Nurse needs to be very defensively aware. Ceci wasn't and it made them both look terrible. Barrie wasn't great defensively and it wasn't much better. I have a feeling we have been trying to put a round peg in a square hole.
 

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Something I think isn't really being talked about enough but with Holloway out and Kane on IR the bottom 6 to start the year is:

Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Podkolzin - Ryan - Perry

I know that third line caught lightning in a bottle down the playoff stretch but that is... not very good.
Something I think isn't really being talked about enough but with Holloway out and Kane on IR the bottom 6 to start the year is:

Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Podkolzin - Ryan - Perry

I know that third line caught lightning in a bottle down the playoff stretch but that is... not very good.
With Kane out to start it’s a good time to work in some young guys to see what we’ve got. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a Savoie or Podkolzin make us forget all about Holloway.

Savoie in particular, I think is going to be extremely motivated.


Skinner/X - McDavid - Hyman
Skinner/X - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
RNH - Henrique - X
Janmark - Ryan/Hamblin/Philp - Brown

Podkolzin, Savoie, Lavoie, Jarventie fighting it out for the two X spots. All of Hyman, RNH, Skinner, Arvidsson bonafide top 6 wingers, with 3 of those 4 in the top 6, I’d hope that two of the best in the world could help elevate one of these 20-23 year olds.
 
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Oilers most likely don't see Broberg as being able to babysit Nurse. There's most likely someone who the Oilers have on their mind but can't make the trade until we LTIR Kane for the accrued cap space

Gustav Lindstrom is still available
 
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