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Kind of surprising. He’s an advanced stats guy, so I thought he’d be a fit with Jackson
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Kind of surprising. He’s an advanced stats guy, so I thought he’d be a fit with Jackson
Fourier
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I think the jury is out on this one. We don't have all the details but after a lot of digging it is not at all clear to me that there was going to be a better outcome, particularly for Broberg if he was looking for anywhere near the kind of money that it seems he was.
Peyton Krebs just signed for 2 year at $1.45M on a team with no cap issues. Krebs may not be living up to his full promise but he at this point is more established than Holloway. The Oilers cap for Holloway was probably in the $1.1-1.2M range which comparatively would have been about what I would have expected it to be. Would Holloway have stayed for $1.1M regardless of what the Oilers did with Broberg and his agent looking seeming to get Holloway in the middle of his quest for a much bigger payday?
As to Broberg, it certainly looks to me in hindsight like he was trying to leave. He and his agent must have realized that the Oilers could not afford his demands even at say $1.8M.
Ultimately, both players signed their own tickets out of the city. And it is not at all clear to me that the Oilers with Emberson and Podkolzin plus the ability to ice a larger roster would be worse off over at least the next couple of years.
Should of had them dealt with before offersheet came into play doesn't sound like they were asking for to much in regards.
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Holloway, absolutely. That was a mistake that backfired. I think Jackson overestimated the amount of buy in from the young guys who hadn’t gotten paid yet. But Broberg reportedly wouldn’t extend until the summer, which means he was clearly always looking to sign an offer sheet
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Fair enough. As I said, it’s not an area I’m knowledgeable in, so I’m not going to argue it. I was under the impression it did.
McHelpus
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If Brad Holland signs with St.Louis then it was a clear tampering move for Broberg & Holloway.
Canada's medical standards for doctors is extremely high. Extremely. In fact, we have doctors that come here to train from around the world. The way it works, to practice in Canada, is you have to do your medical school here. Our admission requirements are ridiculously high. To be a specialist, it must be done here. You can do a sub-specialty elsewhere and practice with that sub-specialty here. Sub-specialties have limited space and the smartest doctors in the world compete for them.
Not at all surprised. Pure nepo hire from day one. Wildly under qualified for the position.
Believe it or not, many doctors don't become doctors for the money. My brother-in-law came back to Canada because he wanted to still PRACTICE medicine instead of being in the business of medicine. My best friend turned down prestigious hospitals in the US because he has zero desire to "run" a business. He also hates how US is litigation happy.This^^^ exactly.
Gee I can work in the US free enterprise system and earn in USD or I can go to Canada and work in the “Medicare” system and earn CDN dollars after.
I disagree. He was the driving force behind both Ekholm and Hyman (as per Stauff). He pushed the analytics side of things and started to change the team's perspective. He had multiple offers from other teams. He got promoted because of those competing offers. I hate the old boys club as much as anyone here- but he was a good hire
He went from never having a job in hockey operations to assistant GM within 3 seasons of joining the Oilers. His previous experience with an NHL team was booking travel for the Maple Leafs.
People wanted to pretend he was some analytics guru and tried to give him credit for every good move the team made while blaming his dad for every bad move.
My guess is Michael Parkatti gets a promotion.
That happened a long while ago. Matching either of those offer sheets would've been a risk that would've taken healthy players off of the current roster.
Behind Enemy Lines
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Way too light on experience. Highly doubtful he was ever a legitimate candidate when looking at this delicate phase of the organization and quality of external candidates available. Here's the bio of one shortlist candidate: Hockey Operations Staff | Utica Comets Official Website
Reading speculation about the quality of an Assistant GM is hilarious to me.
How is anyone here possibly in a position to know if he was any good or bad? Short of speculation that he liked analytics (enough to determine he was "good" for some), we know literally nothing about him or his work.
How is anyone here possibly in a position to know if he was any good or bad? Short of speculation that he liked analytics (enough to determine he was "good" for some), we know literally nothing about him or his work.
Stud Muffin
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Watching the drop it seemed to me like he was very influential in what the team was doing.
BarDownBobo
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I might be misreading things but I really wonder if the plan might be to have Ryan hold the fort down at 4C until around Christmas and then give Noah Philp a look once he’s got his legs back under him at the AHL level. It’s hard to know where he’s at after the year off but he was really good to finish the 22/23 season and probably had the upper hand to take the 4C slot last year if he would’ve played.
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Behind Enemy Lines
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Broberg made an in-season trade request looking for opportunity to play instead of stagnating in the press box. There's not really a more clear signal than that. The market/money found him as CBA system enables RFA's to shop themselves when July 1 hits. Holloway would have been competing for 3W icetime with Janmark and a healthy Kane when he is available. Unfortunately the Oilers were in an exploitable situation the market filled the void on Broberg and Holloway's potential unlike players like Kreb, Robertson, and others whose teams chose to keep cap room to mitigate external organizations resetting and assigning new value on their assets.
bucks_oil
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I don't think you guys are trying to be assholes at all... but you might be missing the point, or perhaps it's just not your area, but:
* Sex can matter... she's a woman... depending on what she wants to be when she grows up and whether she wants kids (that has to happen before 35 too!), her career might be "on a timeline" every bit as much as his... if she wants to do medical research to help establish herself as a credible voice in her chosen sub-specialty, her options may be quite limited... and stands to reason larger centers with bigger teaching hospitals, bigger grants, etc will give her that opportunity NOW when she needs it prior to (I'm assuming here) kids.... she may feel she's got to get established now. Now would be the age to make inroads for the longer term.
* How do you know it's not already her turn? He's already well through the prime of his career... worked hard to get himself traded out of Winnipeg and into a major metro... perhaps (everything we've read would suggest) FOR HER
* "we have specialists too"... yeah... where did they do their training? And what were they doing in their late twenties, early thirties? I'll bet it wasn't following their partner around.
My point is you have no idea where the intersection of their priorities as a couple vs location vs timing vs safe timing to have kids vs the remaining priorities he has in his career would intersect.
A lot would have to line up and it is quite logical that Edmonton wouldn't be top of list and most likely is an impossibility.
McDNicks17
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I'm guessing Jackson didn't think he needed someone whose entire hockey resume was being a moderator on the NHL.com forums and booking hotel rooms for the Leafs.
That was always the most nepo hire of nepo hires.
McDNicks17
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But he discovered Ekholm! No one had ever heard of that guy before Brad came around.
(I don't know if Stauffer has ever had a funnier PR talking point than that one haha)
"We thank Brad for his work during his time with the organization & we wish him well in his future endeavours". Translation:
Heavy Dee
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Might be some trust issues there with him and his dad. Was Ken leaked negotiations with Broberg and Holloway? Who knows.
