Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Dermott on a PTO, Will We See More PTO's? Can We Get Some Toughness Too Please?

[Fourier]

For sure the 2nd pair RD is a massive potentially game costing hole. Ryan is not the same Ryan as last year, he clearly lost a step over the past 13-14 months. Until the 4th line can prove to hold its head above water when out with our 2nd or 3rd pairing D I will be holding my breath until the TDL. Might cost us a few points, nothing too worrisome but again, it is a weakness I see, hopefully nothing too bad.

Even if Ryan regresses, which he may well do, (personally I don't expect he will be a regular for most of the season) it does not change the fact that who plays on the 4th line will have little to do with the success of the team. That's why I gave you the stats form Hamblin. In the role of the #4C he was able to play the opposition to a draw over 41 games so far. He can do this because he plays hard and is smart but mostly because 4th liners tend to play the vast majority of their minutes against guys who are basically replacement level players.

We heard many times on here for example that the Oilers lost to Vegas in the playoffs because of depth. Yet when you look at the numbers it turns out that Vegas' 4th line did no better in that series than the Oilers fourth line. In fact, if you look back at the last 10 years even in the playoffs the 4th line is virtually never a real difference maker in terms of what really matters goals for and against. Vegas' fourth line was on the ice for 1GF and 1GA in that series. For example Keegan Kolesar got praised for running around throwing hits but when he was on the ice The Oilers had 8 scoring chances to 14 against and 2 HDCF to 5 HDCA. In contrast Ryan vs the Knights was on the ice for 2GF and 2GA with 22 SCF vs 19 against and 13 HDCF vs 9 HDCA. Playing against one another the Oilers had 5 SCF vs 1SCA. But neither team scored.

4th lines can deliver energy and they can be big momentum changers. But these examples are actually remarkably rare. When they happen it tends to get noticed, like a faceoff win at just the right time. But like faceoffs, the play of a teams 4th line rarely impacts the actual outcome of a game.

 

[McHelpus]

“I’m not here to troll, just to tell you my team has better assets to get this player and you have no chance”

I wouldn't be surprised if the Canucks are goalie hunting in the near future. Reports have come out that Demko will have to learn to play through his injury. Tocchett stated that Demko is "getting better each day" which he has been saying since March.

 

[brentashton]

He does. I’d touched on it



Basically by asking him right at the deadline, you’d hopefully be able to convince him to move his timeline up slightly. You’re then only asking them to be apart for 2-3 months instead of the entire season.

Right. And nothing has changed except that it may be even a lengthier delay in his wife completing her residency. Which puts his movement out of NYC even more of a wishful thought.

From the attached NYPost Article:

When Trouba signed this current seven-year, $56M contract in July of 2019 after having been acquired as a pending restricted free agent from Winnipeg, his five-year no-movement clause was designed to expire in conjunction with his wife Kelly Tyson-Trouba’s completion of her three-year residency at a New York hospital.

But Dr. Tyson-Trouba’s residency was deferred for a year at the start so that the program which she is required to complete will end instead on July 1, 2025. The Troubas also welcomed their first child, a boy named Axel, in mid-January.

There is no guarantee that Jacob Trouba would accept a trade even to a club on his approved list if that means leaving his wife and nine-month-old (as of training camp) behind. It is not as if Dr. Tyson-Trouba can pick up, transfer her credits to another hospital, accompany her husband and still be licensed as a physician.
We are told that has become part of the league-wide conversation, with several teams that otherwise would have been in big-time on Trouba now likely to wait until next year when Dr. Tyson-Trouba’s residency ends with the defenseman having one final season on his contract.

Wife’s hospital residency among factors keeping Jacob Trouba with Rangers

The captain of the New York Rangers is Jacob Trouba and may very well remain so for the foreseeable future.

nypost.com

 

[Spawn]

Why isn't expecting more offense realistic with more offensive options?

That's kinda like saying "you can't expect to go faster with a faster car" ... uh pray tell why exactly?

I will take 2 goals allowed in a game 7 against anyone, any day of the week. You have a reasonably high chance of winning that game, Florida got very lucky Draisaitl and Kane were both injured and even McDavid could not get much on his shot release all due to injuries.

In 18 SCF game 7s in league history the team winning the game gave up more than 1 goal 3 times.

Even 2 GA is too many it would seem.

 

[Soundwave]

In 18 SCF game 7s in league history the team winning the game gave up more than 1 goal 3 times.

Even 2 GA is too many it would seem.

I'd like to have seen Skinner have that 2nd goal, not going to lie. It was a savable shot from distance from (yes) a good player.

He is another piece of this, time for him to put on his big boy pants and now mature into a real deal goalie without the excuses. He's not a kid anymore and has experienced virtually every kind of big ticket playoff scenario a goalie can experience. It's time for him to take what he's learned and cement himself as a real deal starter.

.901 in the playoffs, there is definite room for improvement, he needs to curb his lows and shave down some of the bad goals allowed.

 

[brentashton]

I don't know if it applies to Americans, but there's been articles about how Canadian's that go to the United States for schooling don't get preferred treatment when coming back to Canada so one has to assume it could be similar for her

That and you also have to think she wants to start somewhere and have a career. Is Edmonton really going to be on the top of the Trouba's list?

This^^^ exactly.

Gee I can work in the US free enterprise system and earn in USD or I can go to Canada and work in the “Medicare” system and earn CDN dollars after.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Even if Ryan regresses, which he may well do, (personally I don't expect he will be a regular for most of the season) it does not change the fact that who plays on the 4th line will have little to do with the success of the team. That's why I gave you the stats form Hamblin. In the role of the #4C he was able to play the opposition to a draw over 41 games so far. He can do this because he plays hard and is smart but mostly because 4th liners tend to play the vast majority of their minutes against guys who are basically replacement level players.

We heard many times on here for example that the Oilers lost to Vegas in the playoffs because of depth. Yet when you look at the numbers it turns out that Vegas' 4th line did no better in that series than the Oilers fourth line. In fact, if you look back at the last 10 years even in the playoffs the 4th line is virtually never a real difference maker in terms of what really matters goals for and against. Vegas' fourth line was on the ice for 1GF and 1GA in that series. For example Keegan Kolesar got praised for running around throwing hits but when he was on the ice The Oilers had 8 scoring chances to 14 against and 2 HDCF to 5 HDCA. In contrast Ryan vs the Knights was on the ice for 2GF and 2GA with 22 SCF vs 19 against and 13 HDCF vs 9 HDCA. Playing against one another the Oilers had 5 SCF vs 1SCA. But neither team scored.

4th lines can deliver energy and they can be big momentum changers. But these examples are actually remarkably rare. When they happen it tends to get noticed, like a faceoff win at just the right time. But like faceoffs, the play of a teams 4th line rarely impacts the actual outcome of a game.

Perhaps my concern of the 4th line is overblown and may even be mitigated by the coaching and tactics of KK, but I reserve the right to be nervous about them lol!

Certainly the right D needs the biggest lift and with cap space accrual that along with 4th line deficencies and Kanes return will set us up for playoff success.

 

[Soundwave]

We lost the Vegas series because Woodcroft can't coach a defensive system to save his life (or job apparently).

Defencemen abandoning the front of the net and chasing out to the blue line in a game you're *leading* in (and that wasn't a quirk of the system that was by design) ... like what the f*** kind of trash coaching system is that.

We were leading in both game 5 and 6, if Knoblaugh was our coach then, we probably win that series.

 

[Oilhawks]

lol

The moment there is a modicum of success, half of the Canucks fans are utterly indistinguishable from Leafs fans

 

[Fourier]

Perhaps my concern of the 4th line is overblown and may even be mitigated by the coaching and tactics of KK, but I reserve the right to be nervous about them lol!

Certainly the right D needs the biggest lift and with cap space accrual that along with 4th line deficencies and Kanes return will set us up for playoff success.

By all means be nervous!!! I don't mean to suggest that there is no room for improvement or that your concerns are wrong. Or even that a great 4th line isn't a plus. The problem is that in a capped world there will always be places to shore up. My concern is that scarce resources go to the place where it will help the most. This is why matching Holloway for example would have been problematic. He was probably going to be the #4C. And while all else being equal I'd definitely take him over Ryan, I think what you would gain would not be worth the opportunity cost.

And I fully agree that the defense is the more important place to focus.

 

[foshizzle]

Exactly. It’s not like it’s a man vs woman thing or anything like that. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that most couples would prioritize the higher earner with 5 years of earning potential from age 30-35, and then prioritize the other person’s career from age 35-60.



That’s fine. She can still practice it in Edmonton. It’s not like there aren’t specialists



No they haven’t. He simply didn’t waive his NTC, which he had every right to do.

She absolutely cannot.

 

[Spawn]

I'd like to have seen Skinner have that 2nd goal, not going to lie. It was a savable shot from distance from (yes) a good player.

He is another piece of this, time for him to put on his big boy pants and now mature into a real deal goalie without the excuses. He's not a kid anymore and has experienced virtually every kind of big ticket playoff scenario a goalie can experience. It's time for him to take what he's learned and cement himself as a real deal starter.

.901 in the playoffs, there is definite room for improvement, he needs to curb his lows and shave down some of the bad goals allowed.

I don’t disagree on Skinner. He sucked all playoffs long. Had a couple good stretches of games but for the most part wasn’t good enough. Cost the team games in every series imo.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

By all means be nervous!!! I don't mean to suggest that there is no room for improvement or that your concerns are wrong. Or even that a great 4th line isn't a plus. The problem is that in a capped world there will always be places to shore up. My concern is that scarce resources go to the place where it will help the most. This is why matching Holloway for example would have been problematic. He was probably going to be the #4C. And while all else being equal I'd definitely take him over Ryan, I think what you would gain would not be worth the opportunity cost.

And I fully agree that the defense is the more important place to focus.

Oh agree 100% Hollway at 2+M to play limited 4th line minutes was not a good investment this season.

With double retention at the TDL we have 13+ M in space meaning we can add a very good RHD with term.

 

[The Nuge]

Right. And nothing has changed except that it may be even a lengthier delay in his wife completing her residency. Which puts his movement out of NYC even more of a wishful thought.

From the attached NYPost Article:

When Trouba signed this current seven-year, $56M contract in July of 2019 after having been acquired as a pending restricted free agent from Winnipeg, his five-year no-movement clause was designed to expire in conjunction with his wife Kelly Tyson-Trouba’s completion of her three-year residency at a New York hospital.

But Dr. Tyson-Trouba’s residency was deferred for a year at the start so that the program which she is required to complete will end instead on July 1, 2025. The Troubas also welcomed their first child, a boy named Axel, in mid-January.

There is no guarantee that Jacob Trouba would accept a trade even to a club on his approved list if that means leaving his wife and nine-month-old (as of training camp) behind. It is not as if Dr. Tyson-Trouba can pick up, transfer her credits to another hospital, accompany her husband and still be licensed as a physician.
We are told that has become part of the league-wide conversation, with several teams that otherwise would have been in big-time on Trouba now likely to wait until next year when Dr. Tyson-Trouba’s residency ends with the defenseman having one final season on his contract.

Wife’s hospital residency among factors keeping Jacob Trouba with Rangers

The captain of the New York Rangers is Jacob Trouba and may very well remain so for the foreseeable future.

nypost.com

Right. And his full NTC ends next summer. They already tried to move him. He’s getting traded next summer whether he wants to leave or not. He can only block half the teams in the league, which isn’t enough to keep him in New York. The ask is for him to move that timeline up 2-3 months. I’m not sure where the confusion is.

What you said is blatantly false. The government does spend millions of dollars to bring doctors over. Canada has one the highest standards on the planet when it comes to the practice of Medicine. There are literally thousands of foreign trained doctors in Alberta who are not qualified to practice medicine here. Even from US trained doctors- you have to pass the medical exam- which is apparently incredibly tough to pass. If you are in the small number of the smartest people in society to pass- you have to work under another doctor before you are allowed to practice. Even specialist, you cannot practice your specialty here- you can be a family doctor. Source: My best friend is a doctor and my brother in law is a foreign trained doctor trying to practice here. Also, my cousin is looking at med schools across the world and this is what she has been advised.

I’m assuming you mean to say does not? They do though

• Budget 2022 announced an additional $115M over five years starting in 2022-2023 and $30M ongoing for the Foreign Credential Recognition Program, with a focus on supporting the labour market integration of skilled newcomers into the health sector. This is in addition to the Program’s base funding of $27.3M per year.

It seems odd that they would say any foreign specialist is only ever allowed to be a family dr, but I have no real knowledge on the subject, so I won’t argue with you.

 

[Paralyzer]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836133020559937644

Guess he feels he has a better shot somewhere else?

 

[McBeastMode]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836133020559937644

 

[belair]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836133020559937644

Not terribly shocking since his Dad was essentially shown the door. Not a heck of a lot of growth potential here for him now that the team has changed its course.

 

[FlameChampion]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836133020559937644

Wonder if Keith Gretzky goes at some point too. I feel like he hasn’t done much for years now. Bakersfield feels pretty stagnant. Unless Holland was preventing him but I doubt it.

 

[Zerotonine]

Not terribly shocking since his Dad was essentially shown the door. Not a heck of a lot of growth potential here for him now that the team has changed its course.

Not sure i like the direction it's going either, Jackson started with a straight bang in FA but has since fell from a cliff with his last few decisions

 

[belair]

Not sure i like the direction it's going either, Jackson started with a straight bang in FA but has since fell from a cliff with his last few decisions

Because they hired Bowman? They had a plan and executed it. I don't consider that falling off a cliff. It's divisive, if anything.

 

[Zerotonine]

Because they hired Bowman? They had a plan and executed it. I don't consider that falling off a cliff. It's divisive, if anything.

Mishandled broberg and holloway as well.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Not sure i like the direction it's going either, Jackson started with a straight bang in FA but has since fell from a cliff with his last few decisions

Signing Leon long term and signing Bowman is him falling off a cliff?

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836133020559937644

Why isn’t it Stan announcing this I wonder

 

[FlameChampion]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836133020559937644

Wonder if Kenny getting a job somewhere soon

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Mishandled broberg and holloway as well.

Yeah, you’d be upset if he overpaid them with what they got anyways