Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg, Holloway and Ceci are Gone, Do We Add Another D Before Camp?

[Behind Enemy Lines]

What's missing out of this analysis is Vince Dunn who I think greatly impacts Larsson's on ice results.

Dunn is definitely a great player more of an offensive driver. You see the hit in terms of Kraken goal scoring but not necessarily in their goal suppression numbers. Dunn played only 59 games this year so an even bigger role fell to Larsson in terms of top pairing role and responsibilities on the goal suppression side (again where the Kraken were above league average).

Larsson is a solid value contract all things considered with his time on ice, goal suppression work including key situational deployment. Of course that doesn't include positive intangibles of leadership, grit, and character which aren't necessarily measurable but valued by NHL management, coaching, and players.

EDIT: Just to add Borgen's icetime threshold was 22:51. Larsson had 18 games of over 25:00 icetime which reinforces the team's need to have him on the ice at critical situations and ability to do so. And missing his offensive driving d-partner for a 1/4 of the season cost Larsson offensive production results which likely at minimum catches Borgen's totals.

I've long felt there is a blindspot in some of the advance stat modelling that devalues goal suppression defensive defensemen. Helpful to overlay more information into the process to evaluate.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Stecher is definately a better puck mover but the other thing to consider is that Stecher is now going to have to deal with Nurses poor defenisve reads just like Ceci had to.

Predictability/being able to read you partner is huge especially when the time and space get taken away by good forechecking teams. Nurse is unpredictable, Ceci was more often than not just slow to make the play.

 

[ManByng]

Predictability/being able to read you partner is huge especially when the time and space get taken away by good forechecking teams. Nurse is unpredictable, Ceci was more often than not just slow to make the play.

Always had the feeling that the Oilers were not enthralled with the way Ceci and Kulak play defense? I believe Ty Emberson will get a legit shot and the Oilers, whether it's through a PTO contract or another trade, are not done shopping for a D with term.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Always had the feeling that the Oilers were not enthralled with the way Ceci and Kulak play defense? I believe Ty Emberson will get a legit shot and the Oilers, whether it's through a PTO contract or another trade, are not done shopping for a D with term.

JJ and Bowman seem to move a lot faster than Holland did. Here's to hoping for a solid top 4 RHD being added and some speed and toughness to round out the forward lineup.

 

[Mr Positive]

JJ and Bowman seem to move a lot faster than Holland did. Here's to hoping for a solid top 4 RHD being added and some speed and toughness to round out the forward lineup.

We'd still have to wait till the deadline. The problem is that almost every team will start the season with the hope that they will make the playoffs. Even Chicago will want to wait to see if they will be a seller.

Imo it makes sense to give Emberson a real shot

 

[BarDownBobo]

Yeah we're on the same page about Emberson, this line of replies was based on Lindstrom specifically. I asked why his name is so popular in this thread.

Nobody's been able to give a good reason why we should give Lindstrom a chance besides that he's 25 years old.

This post from @VeteranPresence in the last thread kinda scratches the surface of it for me at least:

The more I look at a guy like Gustav Lindstrom, the more I like him. Turns out Ducks didn't qualify him so he is now a UFA, but-

-39% OZ starts, so no push offensively, but he still put up 10 points in 46 games (17 point pace)
-xGA of 28.8, was only on the ice for 17 though
-0.947 on ice save percentage to lead the Ducks D, which is just goofy

6'2, 194, only 25 years old but a good skater who knows how to play in his end. We should be offering him a one-year deal easy, maybe even two years now that our D depth is depleted with Vinny and now likely Broberg moving on. If he shows out, there's your cheap partner for Nurse to make the combined cap hit of that pairing easier to swallow. If he doesn't, no problem, you just bury him in Bakersfield where we need RD too. I don't really see a downside here.

Add onto that the fact that he somehow ended up +12 on a Ducks team that had a goal differential of -91 on the season and it just keeps getting more and more intriguing to me at least. I don’t think he’s a sure figure solution by any means but when when you’re looking at filling in the right side behind Bouchard with some questions marks why not add one more card to the deck and see if you can strike gold. He’s a UFA so unless he’s holding out for more dollars/term right now the risk is essentially zero, if you bring him in and he doesn’t look the part it’s onto waivers and either gone or down to the AHL with a bury-able contract. His age is definitely appealing as well with the loss of Broberg, as he could be a bit of a long term solution if he hits.

 

[North]

Nurse gave him a beating long ago in the AHL I believe? Would make for a funny dynamic if they ended up on the same pair.

I think it was the young stars tournament in Penticton.

 

[guymez]

I guess ceci > nurse
My point exactly though, many times during the year people bitch and complain about nurse on a play when ceci is off sniffing crayons and nurse covering for him yet still getting blamed

Nice misrepresentaion.

 

[David71]

sign barrie reunite with nurse

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

This post from @VeteranPresence in the last thread kinda scratches the surface of it for me at least:



Add onto that the fact that he somehow ended up +12 on a Ducks team that had a goal differential of -91 on the season and it just keeps getting more and more intriguing to me at least. I don’t think he’s a sure figure solution by any means but when when you’re looking at filling in the right side behind Bouchard with some questions marks why not add one more card to the deck and see if you can strike gold. He’s a UFA so unless he’s holding out for more dollars/term right now the risk is essentially zero, if you bring him in and he doesn’t look the part it’s onto waivers and either gone or down to the AHL with a bury-able contract. His age is definitely appealing as well with the loss of Broberg, as he could be a bit of a long term solution if he hits.

I appreciate the response but those numbers make me even less interested than I was before. Caved in defensively and bailed out by goaltending. Like a reverse-heater.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Seravalli speculating potential Oiler UFA right shot market inquiries:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1827055532839993471

Shattenkirk is a guy I've mentioned before. 15:47 toi on a good playoff team in Boston. Big minute player previously on bad Ducks lottery teams including some versatility at PK. A one and done established NHL veteran with a career of top4 responsibilities is worth inquiring about.

Thought shattenkirk did not want to play in Canada?

 

[La Bamba]

Thought shattenkirk did not want to play in Canada?

At this point, he’s probably happy to just stay in the league

 

[McSuper]

Where did you hear this from?

I forget. Maybe one of the insider mention it or it couldn't been on Youtube from one of the Oilers posters. It was saying with the D add by Seattle he maybe be available and the Oilers have interest. So probably nothing, but it is why asked ask if anyone else heard anything.

 

[McSuper]

Thought shattenkirk did not want to play in Canada?

I am sure that would change if no American team wants him.

sign barrie reunite with nurse

Terrible idea.

 

[Heavy Dee]

I wonder what it would take to get Andersson from the Flames. 2 years at 4.5 is crazy good value.

This is a future forecast move of course, as we approach the deadline. It's looking like if (and when) the Flames crash and burn that Rasmus will be for sale and that he will be the top RD available. So many have said that other teams will be much better set up than we will be.

I happen to think he is a great stylistic complement to Nurse, and I don't see other Dmen who could be available who compare. I'm not a huge expert on him but I have watched him and I like what I research. He seems similar to Ekholm actually in that he can look elite but will buckle under big minutes.

So should the trade cost be similar? I'd say marginally less, so maybe a 1st and a key prospect?

Would take a guy like Bo Akey and a high pick.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Thought shattenkirk did not want to play in Canada?

It's well covered in thread discussion since I posted it. Worth a few minutes to go through and see many posters discussing the player, prospective fit or not, and history as a No Canada guy.

 

[Mr Positive]

I am sure that would change if no American team wants him.

Terrible idea.

Idk if we are after a PTO stop gap guy he was quite good for us before. He wasn't just an offensive specialist for us.

Schultz could be interesting. He won a couple cups on a similar team to ours

 

[GOilers88]

Would take a guy like Bo Akey and a high pick.

I'd think more like Savoie and a 1st at minimum.

 

[guymez]

Idk if we are after a PTO stop gap guy he was quite good for us before. He wasn't just an offensive specialist for us.

Schultz could be interesting. He won a couple cups on a similar team to ours

The version of Schultz we saw here was a very immature version of the player.
He had only played about 200 NHL games by the time he finished up as an Oiler.
I am curious as to how much his defensive play has evolved.

 

[Soundwave]

This post from @VeteranPresence in the last thread kinda scratches the surface of it for me at least:



Add onto that the fact that he somehow ended up +12 on a Ducks team that had a goal differential of -91 on the season and it just keeps getting more and more intriguing to me at least. I don’t think he’s a sure figure solution by any means but when when you’re looking at filling in the right side behind Bouchard with some questions marks why not add one more card to the deck and see if you can strike gold. He’s a UFA so unless he’s holding out for more dollars/term right now the risk is essentially zero, if you bring him in and he doesn’t look the part it’s onto waivers and either gone or down to the AHL with a bury-able contract. His age is definitely appealing as well with the loss of Broberg, as he could be a bit of a long term solution if he hits.

Yeah I would sign him.

 

[Mr Positive]

I'd think more like Savoie and a 1st at minimum.

Would take a guy like Bo Akey and a high pick.

Maybe if we give the role to a young guy like Emberston or Lindgren they could develop enough to where they could be the key piece going the other way for Andersson (at the deadline)

That way we could avoid having to give up Akey or Savoie

 

[McShogun99]

I'm pretty sure we won't see a Dman officially added until the regular season starts and Kane is on LTIR.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I'm pretty sure we won't see a Dman officially added until the regular season starts and Kane is on LTIR.

Kane may not go on LTIR though. Bowman said he's not 100% sure in the offersheet press conference he had

 

[Heavy Dee]

Nah

Every day that goes by....

He was signable July 1. It's almost Sept 1. His contract is determined at the ownership and president level. It's a bullshit story they were waiting for Bowman.

Let's see where this goes as Elliott would say.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Kind of surprised Drai has not signed yet either.