Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg, Holloway and Ceci are Gone, Do We Add Another D Before Camp?

[Mr Positive]

This is the only thing that makes sense imo. They can be super vague about his recovery now and drag it out all year. Accrue as much cap space as possible and LTIR him when the chance comes for a proper D upgrade to put the team over the top for playoffs.

Idk about how a surgery for hernia affects a pro athlete but I've had it and it's a quick recovery.

I thought when they said that Kane might start the season that the plan was to delay his procedure so that his recovery could allow us to add at the deadline and have Kane for game 1 of the playoffs. Now I think maybe we want Kane for the last half of the season.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

This was touched on over the summer on a podcast. Basically these pro athletes and NHL insurance companies are extremely particular with which surgeons they use and those doctors are typically on their summer holidays as well for these months. Sometimes it takes a while to book in. They aren't just booking into the public hospital for Dr. Joe to operate on them.



If you're under the cap limit, you accrue the capspace over the course of the year.

Players on IR still count against the cap. Their status on IR has no cap benefit.

lol I'm sorry are you trying to say there are zero surgeons in North America that could have done this surgery because what they all take four month vacations? lol. Every professional sports league in North America sees players getting injured during the season and having surgeries during the off season.

 

[Broberg Speed]

The Oilers need that top 4 RD help sooner rather than later. We can't wait until the deadline.

Don't count on the Oilers not placing Kane on LTIR. That accrued cap space goes down the toilet if another player gets injured during the season and the team is forced to use LTIR.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

lol I'm sorry are you trying to say there are zero surgeons in North America that could have done this surgery because what they all take four month vacations? lol.

No? This reply says to me that you didn't even read my post. Of course there are tons of surgeons that are available during that time..

Every professional sports league in North America sees players getting injured during the season and having surgeries during the off season.

As is the case here?

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers need that top 4 RD help sooner rather than later. We can't wait until the deadline.

Don't count on the Oilers not placing Kane on LTIR. That accrued cap space goes down the toilet if another player gets injured during the season and the team is forced to use LTIR.

I mean like shouldn't we play a game before deciding that, lol?

The team under Knoblaugh/Coffey had the best record in the NHL last season with Ceci as the no.4 D, a player who doesn't even play well with Nurse.

Then they made game 7 of a Cup Final with the same set up.

Like the Panthers, I would submit the Oilers defensive success is due to the coaching system and the way the coaches interact with the players and get buy in to adjustments.

Maybe even moreso in our case because Florida has a top end goalie in Bobrovsky, whereas Skinner hasn't really proven that yet.

 

[Fourier]

I mean like shouldn't we play a game before deciding that, lol?

The team under Knoblaugh/Coffey had the best record in the NHL last season with Ceci as the no.4 D, a player who doesn't even play well with Nurse.

Then they made game 7 of a Cup Final with the same set up.

Like the Panthers, I would submit the Oilers defensive success is due to the coaching system and the way the coaches interact with the players and get buy in to adjustments.

Maybe even moreso in our case because Florida has a top end goalie in Bobrovsky, whereas Skinner hasn't really proven that yet.

On paper, this is a better team than the team that lost to the Panthers in Game 7, who themselves probably got worse, but yah they have no chance if they don't find a RHD right away.

 

[Fourier]

The Oilers need that top 4 RD help sooner rather than later. We can't wait until the deadline.

Don't count on the Oilers not placing Kane on LTIR. That accrued cap space goes down the toilet if another player gets injured during the season and the team is forced to use LTIR.

What precisely is the reason that this team can't be patient? Options at the deadline are almost always far better than they would be as camp starts. Few teams would trade a legitimate second pairing RHD at this time of year and even fewer teams would do it if it required substantial retention. And by "even fewer" I really mean pretty much none unless the over pay was so substantial as to be ridiculous.

 

[LTIR]

The Oilers need that top 4 RD help sooner rather than later. We can't wait until the deadline.

Don't count on the Oilers not placing Kane on LTIR. That accrued cap space goes down the toilet if another player gets injured during the season and the team is forced to use LTIR.

They really don't. They should be able to cruise to a 100+ pt season with current roster unless Skinner shits the bed.

There really is no urgency. They can wait out and see what becomes available during the season while seeing what we have in Stecher, Brown, Emberson, Wanner etc

 

[Stealth1616]

Unfortunately for us, Calgary is such a good trade partner with the assets they have. Either of their right shot D would do wonders for this team.

Just no way for in hell does Conroy trade either to us.

 

[oobga]

Idk about how a surgery for hernia affects a pro athlete but I've had it and it's a quick recovery.

I thought when they said that Kane might start the season that the plan was to delay his procedure so that his recovery could allow us to add at the deadline and have Kane for game 1 of the playoffs. Now I think maybe we want Kane for the last half of the season.

Wish our media could do a better job of figuring how this injury he got almost a year ago ends up with him delaying surgery all summer to end up back in the lineup in the back half of this season (assuming that is the plan, rather than trying to drag things out to do an LTIR scam). Still one of the strangest injury timelines I can ever remember.

 

[brentashton]

Idk about how a surgery for hernia affects a pro athlete but I've had it and it's a quick recovery.

I thought when they said that Kane might start the season that the plan was to delay his procedure so that his recovery could allow us to add at the deadline and have Kane for game 1 of the playoffs. Now I think maybe we want Kane for the last half of the season.

Everyone heals differently.

Let’s hope for a 3-4 month recovery with a one month minor (very minor) setback period. Then a month to get back into NHL game shape so that he can be reinstated to the active roster.

Let’s see….oh look, that takes us exactly to the TDL. Who knew (LGK does).

 

[McHelpus]

Idk about how a surgery for hernia affects a pro athlete but I've had it and it's a quick recovery.

I thought when they said that Kane might start the season that the plan was to delay his procedure so that his recovery could allow us to add at the deadline and have Kane for game 1 of the playoffs. Now I think maybe we want Kane for the last half of the season.

Maybe they want him to start off like how he did when he first joined the Oilers? He had basically the missed first half of the year off and started in February.

 

[Spawn]

Everyone heals differently.

Let’s hope for a 3-4 month recovery with a one month minor (very minor) setback period. Then a month to get back into NHL game shape so that he can be reinstated to the active roster.

Let’s see….oh look, that takes us exactly to the TDL. Who knew (LGK does).

Taking us to the trade deadline doesn’t do anything for us though.

The only way that LTIR helps is if he’s gone the entire regular season. Otherwise any salary you add while he’s injured needs to be cleared once he’s healthy.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Wish our media could do a better job of figuring how this injury he got almost a year ago ends up with him delaying surgery all summer to end up back in the lineup in the back half of this season (assuming that is the plan, rather than trying to drag things out to do an LTIR scam). Still one of the strangest injury timelines I can ever remember.

Stauffer reported in the summer he was looking at non surgical options first. That is probably what delayed the process this long. Plus he apparently consulted with several doctors this off season once it became apparent he would require surgery.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

No not weird. I’d say fairly normal from my recent experience.

Took my brother in law 6 months to see an oncologist in BC. By the time he saw him it was too late the cancer had spread. He died a few months later. Our investment advisor died at 41 waiting for a medical procedure in hospital. She wasn’t considered serious enough. A major lawsuit is pending on that one last time spoke to her husband.

I guess the 3 of them can’t complain about the system. Can’t raise hell when you’re in heaven.

This is enraging to me. I wonder how aware people are of how bad the system is right now.

I’ve got a coworker out on medical leave, hopefully getting some kind of pay during this time. He’s deteriorating.. at least 6 months of trying to find out what’s even wrong with him, you get a referral to a specialist and it’s months before you see them, if that’s a dead end now you’re waiting months again.

I just hope somebody figures it out and I don’t end up reading a good man’s obituary when it shouldn’t have been like this.

I’m just praying that nobody in my family has to deal with a serious disease and I’m being more careful when it comes to things that might injure me.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

On paper, this is a better team than the team that lost to the Panthers in Game 7, who themselves probably got worse, but yah they have no chance if they don't find a RHD right away.

I beg to differ. We have a gaping hole at 2RD, the right side other than Bouchard is all 6-7-8 D men, Nurse is injured and Ekholm is another year older.

Our bottom line is made up of two aging out slow forwards and a castaway from Vancouver and we’ve lost a lot of speed in the top 9 with Foegele McLoed and Holloway gone. No guarantee our 3rd line plays as well or clicks like they did in the finals either.

I’m concerned that we are a lot slower with huge deficiencies on D. Skinner needs a very strong start this year as well.

Plus everytime the Oilers are predicted to do well, they are guilty of reading their own press clippings and play down to the competition.

Hopefully KK cures them of that but I don’t see it. It’s part of their DNA.

I think this season may be a lot rockier than people are anticipating and predicting. I don’t think we are the powerhouse we are being played up to be.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Skinner-McDavid-Hyman
RNH-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Jarventie/Podkolzin-Savoie-Lavoie
Kane-Ryan-Perry


Bring back the kid line to this old man line up to start the season at least.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Unfortunately for us, Calgary is such a good trade partner with the assets they have. Either of their right shot D would do wonders for this team.

Just no way for in hell does Conroy trade either to us.

look at this way, if the situation was reversed I bet many here would be all " f*** Calgary, don't help them"

 

[FlameChampion]

I beg to differ. We have a gaping hole at 2RD, the right side other than Bouchard is all 6-7-8 D men, Nurse is injured and Ekholm is another year older.

Our bottom line is made up of two aging out slow forwards and a castaway from Vancouver and we’ve lost a lot of speed in the top 9 with Foegele McLoed and Holloway gone. No guarantee our 3rd line plays as well or clicks like they did in the finals either.

I’m concerned that we are a lot slower with huge deficiencies on D. Skinner needs a very strong start this year as well.

Plus everytime the Oilers are predicted to do well, they are guilty of reading their own press clippings and play down to the competition.

Hopefully KK cures them of that but I don’t see it. It’s part of their DNA.

I think this season may be a lot rockier than people are anticipating and predicting. I don’t think we are the powerhouse we are being played up to be.

I think they are a better team but honestly I am still worried how this team starts. Too many times the team just can’t get going until their back is against the wall.

 

[McDoused]

I beg to differ. We have a gaping hole at 2RD, the right side other than Bouchard is all 6-7-8 D men, Nurse is injured and Ekholm is another year older.

Our bottom line is made up of two aging out slow forwards and a castaway from Vancouver and we’ve lost a lot of speed in the top 9 with Foegele McLoed and Holloway gone. No guarantee our 3rd line plays as well or clicks like they did in the finals either.

I’m concerned that we are a lot slower with huge deficiencies on D. Skinner needs a very strong start this year as well.

Plus everytime the Oilers are predicted to do well, they are guilty of reading their own press clippings and play down to the competition.

Hopefully KK cures them of that but I don’t see it. It’s part of their DNA.

I think this season may be a lot rockier than people are anticipating and predicting. I don’t think we are the powerhouse we are being played up to be.

You aren't wrong but I think the criticism going Edmontons way is overblown.

First, the Oilers are being criticized for their average age. According to left wing lock NHL Team Biometrics: Average Age, Height, and Weight | leftwinglock.com , the Oilers are the second oldest team in the league at 30.6. However, like you pointed this number is skewed by guys like Derek Ryan (37) and Corey Perry (39). If you substitute those two with Matt Savoie (20) and Raphael Lavoie (23) it would bring down the total age by 33 years. The average would go from 30.6 down to 28.77. Just changing a few fringe players would take us from one of the oldest teams down to like the 22nd oldest team.

Second, the Oilers are still one of the fastest teams in the league even with the changes that were made. Oilersnation did an article with NHL edge data that I would recommend. It showed that we will still be one of the fastest teams. Obviously losing McLeod, Foegele and Holloway hurts the team speed but it's overblown. Arvidsson is pretty fast and will replace the speed lost by Foegele. Podkolzin will be slower than Holloway but playing 4th line minutes and Holloway didnt play a whole lot in the regular season anyways. McLeod was fast but he didn't really do a whole lot with it. By comparison Skinner is slow but he's quick with his edges. I definitely recommend looking at how unique he is from his figure skating. So yeah we're a little bit slower but Skinner excels at finishing which was one of the Oilers biggest problems last year.

Finally, as far as the defence goes we didn't have Broberg the entire season. He was essentially a 7D during the regular season. He also struggled under both Woodcroft and Knoblauch. My point is that we didn't really lose anything from last year from Broberg leaving, we just didn't gain what he could have become this year. The rest of the defence is Ceci and Desharnais out with Emberson and Stetcher in. Sure it's the Oilers biggest hole but it's not significantly worse than what we had last year.

In the end, our team will be better with Knoblauch behind the bench to start. Goaltending will be better than last season without Campbell. Skinner has more confidence going into this year. We've upgraded our top 6 with a 6 time 30 goal scorer and a 5 time 20 goal scorer. Were gonna have Henrique for an entire season anchoring an important 3rd line with Brown who is finally healthy. We can also afford to rest Kane and have him at 100%, which will be massive. The only question is when and how do we upgrade that RHD which was already an issue last year.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

You aren't wrong but I think the criticism going Edmontons way is overblown.

First, the Oilers are being criticized for their average age. According to left wing lock NHL Team Biometrics: Average Age, Height, and Weight | leftwinglock.com , the Oilers are the second oldest team in the league at 30.6. However, like you pointed this number is skewed by guys like Derek Ryan (37) and Corey Perry (39). If you substitute those two with Matt Savoie (20) and Raphael Lavoie (23) it would bring down the total age by 33 years. The average would go from 30.6 down to 28.77. Just changing a few fringe players would take us from one of the oldest teams down to like the 22nd oldest team.

Second, the Oilers are still one of the fastest teams in the league even with the changes that were made. Oilersnation did an article with NHL edge data that I would recommend. It showed that we will still be one of the fastest teams. Obviously losing McLeod, Foegele and Holloway hurts the team speed but it's overblown. Arvidsson is pretty fast and will replace the speed lost by Foegele. Podkolzin will be slower than Holloway but playing 4th line minutes and Holloway didnt play a whole lot in the regular season anyways. McLeod was fast but he didn't really do a whole lot with it. By comparison Skinner is slow but he's quick with his edges. I definitely recommend looking at how unique he is from his figure skating. So yeah we're a little bit slower but Skinner excels at finishing which was one of the Oilers biggest problems last year.

Finally, as far as the defence goes we didn't have Broberg the entire season. He was essentially a 7D during the regular season. He also struggled under both Woodcroft and Knoblauch. My point is that we didn't really lose anything from last year from Broberg leaving, we just didn't gain what he could have become this year. The rest of the defence is Ceci and Desharnais out with Emberson and Stetcher in. Sure it's the Oilers biggest hole but it's not significantly worse than what we had last year.

In the end, our team will be better with Knoblauch behind the bench to start. Goaltending will be better than last season without Campbell. Skinner has more confidence going into this year. We've upgraded our top 6 with a 6 time 30 goal scorer and a 5 time 20 goal scorer. Were gonna have Henrique for an entire season anchoring an important 3rd line with Brown who is finally healthy. We can also afford to rest Kane and have him at 100%, which will be massive. The only question is when and how do we upgrade that RHD which was already an issue last year.

All Good points. I hadn’t looked close enough at the coaching either.

I guess I’m more worried about the embedded DNA with respect to the press clippings.

 

[Broberg Speed]

They really don't. They should be able to cruise to a 100+ pt season with current roster unless Skinner shits the bed.

There really is no urgency. They can wait out and see what becomes available during the season while seeing what we have in Stecher, Brown, Emberson, Wanner etc

First off... pump the brakes on Wanner. I had him ranked as our number three prospect in the pipeline and he didn't impress me last evening in a rookie tournament. Severe lack of organization depth on defense was on full display for everyone to witness last night.

Let's not gloss over this. I remember watching Michael Kesselring at this tournament. At this years version of the Penticton showcase Kesselring, a rookie aged Kesselring, would undoubtedly be our number one prospect. I call them like I see them...

Waiting until the deadline to fill a gigantic hole on the roster is f***ing risky business. In fact it's the insane strategy of someone wanting to lose. We seem to have this recurring theme during the offseason on the good ol' HF OIL.

Not placining Kane on LTIR after the season starts to accrue cap space as the only means possible to fill the #4 RD spot is a disaster waiting to happen. It's self-explanatory. We won't find a dancing partner for the appropriate player when push comes to shove, and will have to settle for whatever we can get while grossly overpaying. A bigger question follows.

A question for the multitudes that want to accrue cap space then make a deadline deal, what happens if an injury occurs during the regular season and the Oilers are forced to use the LTIR? Answer: we use LTIR and then we don't have any accrued cap space to make a deal at the deadline. We have less than 1M in cap space as it stands.

We have one prominent poster, a LA Kings expert, who insists Arvidsson will go down at one point during the season. Poof, there goes our imaginary accrued cap space fund for a top 4 RD as soon as we place Arvidsson or any other significantly salaried player on LTIR.

Why wouldn't a team like Colorado, Vegas, Vancouver or even Calgary take a run at a player to injure when they know the Edmonton Oilers are banking on a season of near perfect health, other than Kane, for the ability to make a trade at the deadline for a top 4 defenceman feasible?

Take care of business now. The organization must take the proper direction for once and not f*** it all up.

 

[GOilers88]

All Good points. I hadn’t looked close enough at the coaching either.

I guess I’m more worried about the embedded DNA with respect to the press clippings.

Unpopular opinion but I'd rather have the team on their toes all year than sleepwalking through the season.

Honestly division championships and even home ice don't really matter much to me. But that's just me.

 

[Spawn]

Unpopular opinion but I'd rather have the team on their toes all year than sleepwalking through the season.

Honestly division championships and even home ice don't really matter much to me. But that's just me.

I think an argument could be made the Oilers win the cup if they have home ice advantage over Florida in the finals. 2-1 at home in that series, 1-3 on the road.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Taking us to the trade deadline doesn’t do anything for us though.

The only way that LTIR helps is if he’s gone the entire regular season. Otherwise any salary you add while he’s injured needs to be cleared once he’s healthy.

I don't think everyone understands this.